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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:My brother in law said he thought the movie was Your brother sounds like an idiot.
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The Bloop posted:Your brother sounds like an idiot. He doesn't like movies.
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Sep 19, 2017 21:39
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I said it before, but I don't think it fits well in the horror genre, at least not in the heart-stop/slasher sense of the last 30 years. It's horrifying and scary at times, and it readily adopts horror iconography from the 70s etc (Carrie, Amityville, Night of the Living Dead), but I think Mother! is closer to psychological suspense. If it's horror then it's closer to something like Antichrist, but it's main narrative goals seem almost entirely political/environmental. Yeah but I'd say there's no question about something like Antichrist being horror. Even as a psychological horror movie I'm not sure that mother! really has that atmosphere. And it's not for a lack of fear or dread, it's almost like it's more righteous in its anger while its surrealism comes from confusion and not fear.
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Sep 19, 2017 21:51
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The Bloop posted:Criticism need not be invited beyond the simple act of making a piece of art, but no image is misogynistic in and of itself. Criticism should be of the movie, the context for the depiction, rather than an isolated out of context image. I don’t think the movie itself is mysoginist, but even in context the sexual violence is a little random and extreme. We might be able to intellectualize and justify it, but there are plenty of men (someone before mentioned that they had a friend who said seeing J-Law’s breasts in that scene was the best part) won’t pick up on the subtext and take it in the worst way. Which makes me ask, was the way it was presented clever/novel or very beneficial to story? Not from where I’m sitting.
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Sep 20, 2017 00:49
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some of these criticisms sound familiar:Roger Ebert posted:"Blue Velvet" contains scenes of such raw emotional energy that it's easy to understand why some critics have hailed it as a masterpiece. A film this painful and wounding has to be given special consideration.
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Sep 20, 2017 01:01
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warez posted:I don’t think the movie itself is mysoginist, but even in context the sexual violence is a little random and extreme. We might be able to intellectualize and justify it, but there are plenty of men (someone before mentioned that they had a friend who said seeing J-Law’s breasts in that scene was the best part) won’t pick up on the subtext and take it in the worst way. Which makes me ask, was the way it was presented clever/novel or very beneficial to story? Not from where I’m sitting. I've already said upthread that the nudity may have been unnecessary to make the point. I'm not sure and I don't necessarily feel qualified to second guess everyone involved at this stage. In any case, while you might be right that some won't get it and just get (forgive me) titillated, there's probably also someone jerking off to baby death and cannibalism, and what I am certain of is that movies like this shouldn't even be considering what the lowest members of the audience may be thinking.
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Sep 20, 2017 01:10
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It's like the people who jerk off to Jennifer Connelly in Requiem. They will always exist and you can't make or not make choices in filmmaking based on that. They're extreme scenes meant to evoke extreme reactions, and without them the film would come off as tepid. I think mother is absolutely a horror film, with many traditional horror elements. But I also think that everything Aronofsky has made has those elements as well. His entire body of work, other than perhaps The Fountain, has been about the horrific effects of single-minded obsession with drugs, art, glory, god, etc.
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china bot posted:some of these criticisms sound familiar: quote:"Blue Velvet" is like the guy who drives you nuts by hinting at horrifying news and then saying, "Never mind." There's another thing. Rossellini is asked to do things in this film that require real nerve. In one scene, she's publicly embarrassed by being dumped naked on the lawn of the police detective. In others, she is asked to portray emotions that I imagine most actresses would rather not touch. She is degraded, slapped around, humiliated and undressed in front of the camera. And when you ask an actress to endure those experiences, you should keep your side of the bargain by putting her in an important film.  yeah, compare Blue Velvet to the loving movie with an actual, real, anal-rape scene. Come on guys, it's obvious that Rossellini is a victim of the sadistic director's vision and that she has no agency whatsoever  These critics basically prove all of Lynch's points for him.
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Sep 20, 2017 01:50
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I can understand it if people thought the brutality wasn't necessary and didn't add much for them but saying it shouldn't be there because it caused too strong of a visceral response seems like someone just saying that movies shouldn't make them feel bad. Also, saying something shouldn't be done because people can jerk off to it us a listing battle. The rape scene from Irreversible shows up on porn sites, which in addition to damaging anyone's faith in humanity, should prove that no matter how disturbing and horrific a scene is, someone out there is into it.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:
There is no real anal-rape scene. Brando states as much in his autobiography. He refused to have real sex, despite his director's wishes.
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Judakel posted:There is no real anal-rape scene. Brando states as much in his autobiography. He refused to have real sex, despite his director's wishes. You're right actually, I read that a while ago, I was remembering Schneider's claim that she felt raped by the scenario.
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Sep 20, 2017 02:36
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It bothers me on some level that everyone's so aghast over the baby thing and I... wasn't. And it's not that I don't like them, but the execution (huhuh) was so blasted and ludicrous that I was already very aware that I was watching a MOVIE with a POINT when it happened. I watched first season of The Missing recently and that bothered the ever-loving hell out of me. I'd think about it weeks later and have to switch my thoughts to something else because it was so tactile. This had already gone beyond ludicrous and I lost that human connection. Another movie that really bothered me was Ida. Doesn't really have anything comparable to this movie, I just like to recommend Ida. 
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Das Boo posted:It bothers me on some level that everyone's so aghast over the baby thing and I... wasn't. And it's not that I don't like them, but the execution (huhuh) was so blasted and ludicrous that I was already very aware that I was watching a MOVIE with a POINT when it happened. I watched first season of The Missing recently and that bothered the ever-loving hell out of me. I'd think about it weeks later and have to switch my thoughts to something else because it was so tactile. This had already gone beyond ludicrous and I lost that human connection. Sounds like you didn't get the point tho 
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Sep 20, 2017 08:20
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Sounds like you didn't get the point tho So I take it you've never recognized the message of a movie without emotionally connecting to it? What a strange set of conditions.
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Das Boo posted:So I take it you've never recognized the message of a movie without emotionally connecting to it? What a strange set of conditions. Hey, man, you're the one who's bothered here.
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Sep 20, 2017 15:42
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currently searching the internet for the least informed take on mother! https://twitter.com/NewRightMemes/status/909789110482513920
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But did you GET this movie? Did you?
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Sep 20, 2017 17:22
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Give me your heart, make it real, or let's forget about it.
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Sep 20, 2017 17:39
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Judakel posted:But did you GET this movie? Did you? This is a hot take when half of the audience experienced it as an episode of criminal minds lol.
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Sep 20, 2017 17:50
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china bot posted:currently searching the internet for the least informed take on mother! I am at a loss at what message this image is supposed to convey.
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Sep 20, 2017 18:04
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davidspackage posted:I am at a loss at what message this image is supposed to convey. "liberals very bad, self incredibly dumb" is what I'm reading
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Sep 20, 2017 18:06
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From what I can tell there was an untrue story going around that J Law said that the recent hurricanes were Trump's fault. It was, y'know, actual fake news but conservatives don't like her now because they don't actually care
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Sep 20, 2017 18:45
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I like how RedLetterMedia's criticism of this movie is that it was too predictable and isn't open to interpretation at all.
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Sep 20, 2017 18:54
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I like how RedLetterMedia's criticism of this movie is that it was too predictable and isn't open to interpretation at all. That's certainly an interesting way to look at it.
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Sep 20, 2017 18:59
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I like how RedLetterMedia's criticism of this movie is that it was too predictable and isn't open to interpretation at all. They're really on fire from all their hot takes by that I mean they've built a career on lovely criticism and bad interpretations
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Ingmar terdman posted:Give me your heart, make it real, or let's forget about it.  Rageaholic Monkey posted:I like how RedLetterMedia's criticism of this movie is that it was too predictable and isn't open to interpretation at all. Yikes.
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china bot posted:currently searching the internet for the least informed take on mother! I really want to see the live-action Evangelion movie lurch out of development hell, simply because it would make these types lose their loving poo poo
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To quote the older woman walking out of this near me, "Jesus, I feel like I'm losing my mind." For real though, this is a rough movie to watch while mildly dissociating. I do want to watch it again in the $5 theater though, both because I missed like all of the subtext and because that's where all the lovely rich teens go and the reaction will be incredible.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I like how RedLetterMedia's criticism of this movie is that it was too predictable and isn't open to interpretation at all. ...what???
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glam rock hamhock posted:...what??? 
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One thought about the miracle powder-drink: the powder she adds to the paint on the wall to make it yellow looks pretty much the same as the stuff she takes, which brings to mind the whole thing about Von Gough eating yellow paint, either because he wanted the color inside him to make him happy, or because he knew it was toxic and wanted to die. In the same way, she takes it in a way that could suggest medicating or self-harming.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Their argument in the Half in the Bag is that you can easily figure out what's going on early on in the movie and the rest sucks because the movie beats you over the head with allegory. The AV Club review headline spoiled the premise for me, and I was still floored and surprised by the movie.
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Coffee And Pie posted:One thought about the miracle powder-drink: the powder she adds to the paint on the wall to make it yellow looks pretty much the same as the stuff she takes, which brings to mind the whole thing about Von Gough eating yellow paint, either because he wanted the color inside him to make him happy, or because he knew it was toxic and wanted to die. In the same way, she takes it in a way that could suggest medicating or self-harming. Yeah I mentioned that before and asked if anyone had noticed if the bottle they were in was the same since it was so distinctive. She poured it out when she got pregnant, so that seems important, but it never seemed like self harm but rather a calming influence
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Their argument in the Half in the Bag is that you can easily figure out what's going on early on in the movie and the rest sucks because the movie beats you over the head with allegory. I think their point was that once you figure out that it's a half-assed low-effort Christian allegory, absolutely nothing is surprising after that because Christian allegory is extremely rote now. Which is entirely true. This represents this, this represents that, with zero nuance, creativity, or uniqueness. I found myself completely agreeing with Mike's "...and now I've checked out" thought. I think that Jay described the last half as someone's dream/nightmare, and hearing about someone's dream is never interesting as it is for the listener as the dreamer. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Sep 20, 2017 |
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I have no intention of seeing this movie tell me the craziest scene.
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Cash Monet posted:I have no intention of seeing this movie tell me the craziest scene. A bunch of people carry around a newborn in an unsafe way, and the baby dies accordingly. Smash cuts to people eating said baby.
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MisterBibs posted:and hearing about someone's dream is never interesting as it is for the listener as the dreamer. 
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:It's not? I was captivated the entire time I was watching it Well, that's great for you, but surely you understand how someone can become fundamentally disconnected from the film when it goes up to 11 on the randomness and craziness, right?
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MisterBibs posted:Well, that's great for you, but surely you understand how someone can become fundamentally disconnected from the film when it goes up to 11 on the randomness and craziness, right? I feel like saying it wasn't surprising, creative or unique means we must have watched entirely different movies. I realize Mother! isn't for everyone, but what the gently caress? Uninteresting is the last thing I'd call it.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Their argument in the Half in the Bag is that you can easily figure out what's going on early on in the movie and the rest sucks because the movie beats you over the head with allegory. Hahah. What does that even mean.
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