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Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007



Rand Brittain posted:

Y'all be acting like Dreen appearing in the past means that the thing that brought them there happened in the past, which is probably not actually the case.

I mean, you are correct, but also we saw that the last Heterodyne to tinker with time saw "angels" who convinced him to stop, which might be the Dreen showing up back then.

edit: implied, nothing, the comic flat-out shows them: https://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20160406#.YHSzvOhKj4Y

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Twibbit
Mar 7, 2013

Is your refrigerator running?


I love GG, but it is best read once every two months in a giant binge.

Dr Subterfuge
Aug 31, 2005


Still can't handle the playdough faces. I don't know why they bother me so much

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements





I'm just impressed at Klaus' ability to recruit literally any monster available and get it to function as part of his bureaucracy, Time Horrors, Jaegers, or whatever else.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.





Klaus shoved a document under their noses and in their various states of frenzy, the blood splatters landed on the dotted line. A contract signed in blood is going to have some effect on even the most monstrous creature if it's crafted by a spark

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007



Joe Slowboat posted:

I'm just impressed at Klaus' ability to recruit literally any monster available and get it to function as part of his bureaucracy, Time Horrors, Jaegers, or whatever else.

He offers excellent employment benefits.
(He really does.)

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Twibbit posted:

I love GG, but it is best read once every two months in a giant binge. annually in a graphic novel.

FTFY.

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!


Just to get a ballpark of how much I have to catch up if I decide to start reading Girl Genius again.

The last thing I remember reading was Agatha going into Mechanicburg, and talking with Castle Heterodyne through the old man who put on the "mind blend with the castle" helmet.

How many years ago was that?

Straight White Shark
May 16, 2009



Fun Shoe

Mikl posted:

Just to get a ballpark of how much I have to catch up if I decide to start reading Girl Genius again.

The last thing I remember reading was Agatha going into Mechanicburg, and talking with Castle Heterodyne through the old man who put on the "mind blend with the castle" helmet.

How many years ago was that?

that was 3 presidents ago my dude

Mikl
Nov 8, 2009

Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!


Yeah, I just checked. 2011.

And I barely remember what happened before that, except in the most general terms.

Pierson
Oct 31, 2004





College Slice

Does GG seem to be approaching any kind of end? It just goes on and at some point I must have said "I'll read it when it ends" and that was a decade ago.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013


No.

Straight White Shark
May 16, 2009



Fun Shoe

I mean, it is progressing in the direction of an ending, just at a glacially slow pace. Bits and pieces of the endgame have been set up and long running arcs get incremental payoff in the form of a plot drop here and there every couple of years.

Honestly I have no idea how the Foglios have the patience for it, there is stuff that has been plotted out for two decades that they've just been sitting on and by all appearances they could keep it up for another 10 years before they get there. But it seems to be working for them

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007



Assuming the Time Travel arc is the final one, we're getting there. But hypothetically there's no reason they couldn't put more stories after that, so...

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


Pierson posted:

Does GG seem to be approaching any kind of end? It just goes on and at some point I must have said "I'll read it when it ends" and that was a decade ago.

I think there's a clear direction the story is intended to be going that could be a conclusion, but the story's also not in much of a hurry to get there. But even if it does reach that point, the whole thing has a real pulpy feeling like there's always going to be adventure in this world, and the out-of-main-timeline interludes imply that even after whatever end the story is headed towards, the adventures will continue ever onward.

I feel pretty disappointed by the whole England arc because on top of being pretty slow, it seems to have been largely a repetition of the whole Paris arc. Agatha finds a safe haven to rest and find out her next move, meets the immortal god-dictator of that little state, there's a fancy dress party, a battle with the Other, and in the end, Agatha and company are forced to leave in dire circumstances that have left the status quo shaken. There's even some alien society beneath them that Agatha ends up brokering a peace with. I think Paris had more interesting characters while England was a more interesting setting, but they both have pretty similar structure with a lot of the same ideas revisited.

Straight White Shark
May 16, 2009



Fun Shoe

SlothfulCobra posted:

I feel pretty disappointed by the whole England arc because on top of being pretty slow, it seems to have been largely a repetition of the whole Paris arc. Agatha finds a safe haven to rest and find out her next move, meets the immortal god-dictator of that little state, there's a fancy dress party, a battle with the Other, and in the end, Agatha and company are forced to leave in dire circumstances that have left the status quo shaken. There's even some alien society beneath them that Agatha ends up brokering a peace with. I think Paris had more interesting characters while England was a more interesting setting, but they both have pretty similar structure with a lot of the same ideas revisited.

For that matter both of these are largely reprises of the Sturmhalten arc. GG reuses the skeleton of its episodic arcs very heavily, just steadily escalating each time.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003






At the very least the England arc has had a more forward movement on the core Lucrezia/Other/Time mystery than the others have.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Mikl posted:

Just to get a ballpark of how much I have to catch up if I decide to start reading Girl Genius again.

The last thing I remember reading was Agatha going into Mechanicburg, and talking with Castle Heterodyne through the old man who put on the "mind blend with the castle" helmet.

How many years ago was that?

Twelve volumes plus whatever hasn't been collected in print yet.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.





GG gets away with reusing the previous stories because it takes so long to tell it, you've forgotten you've already read it before.

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007



The weird thing about the England arc (at least, so far) is all the hints dropped that the Queen is kind of a worse authoritarian than Klaus and would try to keep Agatha and all the others in England, not by physical might but by guile and sheer force of personality, but that isn't really paying off at the moment, since a bunch of them are leaving, ordered out by the Queen herself.

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME


Bobulus posted:

The weird thing about the England arc (at least, so far) is all the hints dropped that the Queen is kind of a worse authoritarian than Klaus and would try to keep Agatha and all the others in England, not by physical might but by guile and sheer force of personality, but that isn't really paying off at the moment, since a bunch of them are leaving, ordered out by the Queen herself.

I assumed she wanted to split Team Agatha up because she realized all of them together are too much chaos to wrangle at once.


Mikl posted:

Yeah, I just checked. 2011.

And I barely remember what happened before that, except in the most general terms.



Almost a year ago now, the comic suddenly called back to one of Agatha's early beaus, who died in 2006, which she refers to as, "last month!"

I wouldn't even have remembered him if I hadn't just re-read that part of the comic.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007


Bobulus posted:

The weird thing about the England arc (at least, so far) is all the hints dropped that the Queen is kind of a worse authoritarian than Klaus and would try to keep Agatha and all the others in England, not by physical might but by guile and sheer force of personality, but that isn't really paying off at the moment, since a bunch of them are leaving, ordered out by the Queen herself.

i think that plan kind of got shelved when she came to fully understand the airfleet of trouble that agatha et al towed in their er wake

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


Possibly the Queen will try to bait Agatha and Gil back in, but definitely the Other and the Frostlords take precedence for now.

I think there's might be a whole thing going on where they plan out future plotlines way beforehand, but then their plot ideas bleed over into the earlier story beats and they don't have an editor cutting out redundancies. I remember when Mechanicsburg was happening, I got the feeling like so much of the story had been leading to Mechanicsburg that they had planned too many things to be doing at once.

FronzelNeekburm posted:

Almost a year ago now, the comic suddenly called back to one of Agatha's early beaus, who died in 2006, which she refers to as, "last month!"

I wouldn't even have remembered him if I hadn't just re-read that part of the comic.

To be fair, a lot more time has passed for everybody else than it has for Agatha. She skipped some time into the future and the only quiet moment she's had between Sturmhalten and now has been waiting for the train.

I will say that the pacing of the comic isn't great. I love a lot of the moments when everything's fallen apart and all the subplots crash together, but there's often just too many subplots at once. Although it feels very differently paced when you're not reading weekly and you can go through a year's worth of stuff in an hour.

It's extremely common for ambitious creators to plan out adventure stories that are way more ambitious than anything they'll ever be able to finish and just keep it going until it collapses, so I guess what's remarkable about Girl Genius is that it's just kept going for so long. I think Fullmetal Alchemist is the only big adventure story I've read that just kept on steadily moving forward without losing its way until it was over.

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cropoval
Feb 16, 2020



GG is a weird case where things are resolved or altered pretty often, but often in a less bombastic way than people anticipated. Lucrezia is out of Agatha's brain now! But so much happened around it I nearly forgot it occurred for a while.

One of the most impressive examples of the Foglio's planning is probably The Works, a card game they originally released back in 2001- it had character designs for characters from the Paris and England arcs over a decade before they appeared in the comic, designs that were left mostly unchanged when the characters did appear. That page lists a few characters who still haven't appeared too. For all the changes the Foglios made (ie. Tarvek and his family were originally not meant to be important), they appear to have remained largely on track for twenty-plus years.

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