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Skyscraper posted:Whoaaa look out Nevvy Z with the easy disproof and no link! i dunno why that was probated, but i generally like koalas march and she seems to be a p good mod in general  however, posts criticizing clinton or democrats are welcome in this thread and antifa chat is too because antifa are awesome and they protect us from fascists
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I think it's preeeeetty clear that Yossarian is a Nazi and I fully agree with blackguy32 and Koala's March Like when you consistently disagree with the candidate that most black people voted for (in the primary and the general!) and black posters with good track records, maybe you're the racist/nazi. Just a thought. call to action fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Sep 20, 2017 |
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call to action posted:I think it's preeeeetty clear that Yossarian is a Nazi and I fully agree with blackguy32 and Koala's March
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Sep 20, 2017 20:26
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Maybe gently caress off back to GBS with your misogynistic bullshit!
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Sep 20, 2017 20:29
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Skyscraper posted:welp, looks like i just got owned cta thinks the charlottesville nazis weren't actually nazis so his grasp on reality is tenuous at best
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Sep 20, 2017 20:30
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Condiv posted:cta thinks the charlottesville nazis weren't actually nazis so his grasp on reality is tenuous at best
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Sep 20, 2017 20:31
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ikanreed posted:Man, while Hillary is bad, "both sides are bad" remains bullshit. Obviously Hillary wouldn't do everything Trump is doing, but she'd be fine with plenty of it and Democrats would actively defend horrible poo poo like mass deportation and war if it was her doing it. Yes, she would be less bad, absolutely, that's part of why I voted for her in the general (mostly that SCOTUS seat though) but it would also come with less criticism of the parts where Hillary's and Republican's shittiness overlap. I'm sorry that I was being too reductionist in my shitpost so it came across as a blanket BOTH SIDES BAD message when I was trying to focus on Hillary specifically being terrible.
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loquacius posted:Part of me wants to think there's a long-term silver lining in Trump winning because it's the death knell of the Clintons' Third-Wayist Blairite faction's stranglehold over the Democratic Party, which would have continued for years or decades if bolstered by a Hillary win, but another part of me is worried I'm underestimating the Trump administration's ability to gently caress up absolutely everything as quickly as possible. The problem with the accelerationist dream is that we're not on track for a socialist revolution, we're on track for a fascist purge, and leftists celebrating "how bad Trump is making centrists look" while he ruins the lives of minorities and the poor is a bad look. Also a lot of the damage Trump is currently doing is probably permanent, thanks to global warming.
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sirtommygunn posted:Obviously Hillary wouldn't do everything Trump is doing, but she'd be fine with plenty of it and Democrats would actively defend horrible poo poo like mass deportation and war if it was her doing it. Yes, she would be less bad, absolutely, that's part of why I voted for her in the general (mostly that SCOTUS seat though) but it would also come with less criticism of the parts where Hillary's and Republican's shittiness overlap. I'm sorry that I was being too reductionist in my shitpost so it came across as a blanket BOTH SIDES BAD message when I was trying to focus on Hillary specifically being terrible. Yeah there's this stupid demarcation thing. Hillary was the worst Democrat running, but bringing that up in the wrong way falsely seems to justify the fatass fascist
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Both sides are bad, just one is a lot worse than the other. The aspiration is to have someone worth voting for rather than just having to pick the least poo poo option.
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Lightning Knight posted:The problem with the accelerationist dream is that we're not on track for a socialist revolution, we're on track for a fascist purge, and leftists celebrating "how bad Trump is making centrists look" while he ruins the lives of minorities and the poor is a bad look. I don't consider myself an accelerationist, or that post an expression of accelerationist ideas. Mostly because a revolution isn't my goal, a wake-up call to the Democratic Party is, and they've received one  but yeah poo poo's gonna hurt in the meantime, that's why I'm so conflicted about it
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Kilroy posted:...until a few months later when he equated Nazis and people who hate Nazis. Yeah, I never thought it would get to this point. I never cared for Stewart's both-sides-isms, but he was always funny enough for me to keep watching. But Noah is just actively being awful, and that's a disappointment.
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loquacius posted:I don't consider myself an accelerationist, or that post an expression of accelerationist ideas. Mostly because a revolution isn't my goal, a wake-up call to the Democratic Party is, and they've received one Oh I know, but it's come up before. 
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call to action posted:[...] I fully agree with blackguy32 [...] You keep tipping your hand.
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Lightning Knight posted:The problem with the accelerationist dream is that we're not on track for a socialist revolution, we're on track for a fascist purge, and leftists celebrating "how bad Trump is making centrists look" while he ruins the lives of minorities and the poor is a bad look. Well nothing else seems to work to ensure the sub human centrists come around. Also yes the damage will be permanent and it will allow the creation of a regime where so call self actualized individuals who are too greedy and prideful and caused this could be found and deal with early in life.
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loquacius posted:I don't consider myself an accelerationist, or that post an expression of accelerationist ideas. Mostly because a revolution isn't my goal, a wake-up call to the Democratic Party is, and they've received one
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Sep 20, 2017 20:56
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Skyscraper posted:They're corrupt, and they have been for years. Waking them up won't fix greed. This implies that engaging with the system is fundamentally pointless and revolution is the only option, no?
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Sep 20, 2017 20:57
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Lightning Knight posted:This implies that engaging with the system is fundamentally pointless and revolution is the only option, no? I don't know, is Bernie's "revolution" really a revolution? Really we just need to flush the political class out of the party and install anyone else.
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Sep 20, 2017 20:59
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Skyscraper posted:I don't know, is Bernie's "revolution" really a revolution? Really we just need to flush the political class out of the party and install anyone else. We did that with Donald Trump. All he did was install an even worse political class.
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Lightning Knight posted:This implies that engaging with the system is fundamentally pointless and revolution is the only option, no? THe system could be saved. BUt it might be smart to stat training with firearms. Let's just say one way or the other there will be a day in one or two generations when there will be an America where saying greed is good, and that you are all that matters will get you relocated to a dark hole where you might not come out of. It will be harsh but beautiful.
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http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/09/the-left-seems-pretty-united-in-opposition-to-antifa/ A little bit of sanity from Mother Jones. Guess every Democrat is a Nazi now, huh Condiv?
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Sep 20, 2017 21:01
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Crabtree posted:We did that with Donald Trump. Uhhh...I wish that were true, but...
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Sep 20, 2017 21:01
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Crabtree posted:We did that with Donald Trump.
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call to action posted:http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/09/the-left-seems-pretty-united-in-opposition-to-antifa/ Oh hey a centrist lib pretends they're on the left. Mother Jones is a great example of how liberalism is a cancer.
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call to action posted:http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/09/the-left-seems-pretty-united-in-opposition-to-antifa/ without a trump voter to back you up, you are now looking to Clara Jeffrey to defend your takes for you this is getting sad, cta
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Skyscraper posted:I don't know, is Bernie's "revolution" really a revolution? Really we just need to flush the political class out of the party and install anyone else. I wouldn't say so. Not in this context anyhow. I was just curious what you think is all.
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Crowsbeak posted:Oh hey a centrist lib pretends they're on the left. Mother Jones is a great example of how liberalism is a cancer. Drum seems so dead-set on outdoing Chait in putting out consistently awful takes.
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Ze Pollack posted:
jesus  let me guess, she likes those anti-homeless spikes to keep homeless people from sleeping in places as if they were pigeons
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Majorian posted:Uhhh...I wish that were true, but... But what? The current Republican forces aren't cowed by his antics and jumping to do his bidding no matter how suicidal and idiotic it is? The Democratic leaders are not at a complete loss on how to effectively fight him because he stole leftist rhetoric and sold himself to a 1/3 of this country somehow a force of change in government while he desperately tries to bring about a banana republic? Half of his racism was wrapped in a lower white class revolution of its own and neither the media or the people that voted for him actually cares if he's completely the opposite of this so long as they can have some sort of status quo.
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Ze Pollack posted:without a trump voter to back you up, you are now looking to Clara Jeffrey to defend your takes for you I've never been a Trump guy. I'm just on the side of the monied professionals, aka against antifa.
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Ze Pollack posted:
Wow there are just so many layers to this poo poo onion. I'm pretty sure Utah has a good plan to help homeless people, it starts with the earthshaking notion of giving them houses.
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Lightning Knight posted:Wow there are just so many layers to this poo poo onion. But if you just give them houses, who would they pay rent/the mortgage to?!
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Crabtree posted:But what? The current Republican forces aren't cowed by his antics and jumping to do his bidding no matter how suicidal and idiotic it is? The Democratic leaders are not at a complete loss on how to effectively fight him because he stole leftist rhetoric and sold himself to a 1/3 of this country somehow a force of change in government while he desperately tries to bring about a banana republic? Half of his racism was wrapped in a lower white class revolution of its own and neither the media or the people that voted for him actually cares if he's completely the opposite of this so long as they can have some sort of status quo. A lot of the political class that's at a complete loss with how to deal with him, and is resistant to using left-populism to regain power, have yet to be flushed out of the Democratic Party.
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Glazier posted:But if you just give them houses, who would they pay rent/the mortgage to?! Eat the rich.
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ikanreed posted:Honestly, I think people like antifa are pretty much the only systemic difference in discourse between now and then.
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NewForumSoftware posted:PS stop voting for politicians who want to bomb brown children even if they have a D next to their name People won't stop. The two-party mentality is so ingrained in this country the only chance of establishing a progressive party is to sweep the primaries, especially in 2018 because that's the only opportunity we have to entrench an actual progressive base in the party leadership before the 2020 presidential primaries.
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Axetrain posted:Antifa owns and Hillary is a piece of poo poo, you can go ahead and prob me now. Wrong thread; we're the ones on your side. 
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