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I'm down for becoming a random patchwork of disconnected holdings scattered throughout the world... As long as we don't have any landlocked territory that doesn't touch the sea. That's where my borders OCD hits.
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Let's go full Mare Nostrum. Its the only thing linking us to our eventual liberation of the holy land anyway, lets just embrace it.
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the one thing I'd say is we should still at least commit to expanding in Italy long term (not even necessarily unifying I guess), so we at least have a decent home territory.
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Rodyle posted:the one thing I'd say is we should still at least commit to expanding in Italy long term (not even necessarily unifying I guess), so we at least have a decent home territory. I don't think we should expand in terms of map-painting at all. Gift most of the territory in Crusade conquests to appropriate Catholic lords, maybe keep the churches as direct vassals if that's possible. (Console fuckery?) Makes a very different game, and you'll always have the money to deal with problems by throwing mercenaries at them.
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Pharnakes posted:Let's go full Mare Nostrum. Its the only thing linking us to our eventual liberation of the holy land anyway, lets just embrace it. It won't be once we've forged a path along the Mediterranean coast 
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Mister Olympus posted:I don't think we should expand in terms of map-painting at all. Gift most of the territory in Crusade conquests to appropriate Catholic lords, maybe keep the churches as direct vassals if that's possible. (Console fuckery?) The problem would be that come EU4 we'll just be reverted to our base holdings.
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yeah just in terms of practicality ruling those parts of de jure spain look like a colossal headache if you intend to do anything more with the actual holy land. maybe in the short term keep them to use Christendom's money to invest in the infrastructure (especially the hospitals and sick rooms, since plague will be bad enough even WITH them), but longer term i'd just give those back to their de jure lords as long as they're good catholics.
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I just hope we're creating as many theocracy vassals as we possibly can. That way when/if we end up releasing places because they're annoying to run we just toss out these huge, stable swatches of church property... and if those end up vassals of other Catholics they can still be paying us anyway thanks to our sweet tithe powers. Do we still have the different govtype vassal limit? I guess we must since iirc you said the mod works by making us a new type of a feudal government.
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Rodyle posted:the one thing I'd say is we should still at least commit to expanding in Italy long term (not even necessarily unifying I guess), so we at least have a decent home territory. I strongly disagree. OP already established the base rule that we aren't going to take any land from our fellow Catholics, and I think that's a good limitation/ground rule. It still leaves all of North Africa and Southern Spain and the Levant as possible expansion zones for us.
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It might make more sense to give it to a Holy Order.
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Mantis42 posted:It might make more sense to give it to a Holy Order. If this is possible, we should keep Italy for ourselves and give every crusade conquest to a holy order. Surround the Mediterranean with our brothers in faith and steel!
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The "No taking land from good catholics" rule is enough of a handicap, IMO. There's 'not blobbing', and then there's only growing by a couple provinces per 200 years.
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6 - 1093 - 1100 Cordoba With the crusade over we ensure that all those that participated are rewarded for heeding the call and begin the process de-Islamification. Our best priests and bishops are sent forth at once to begin preaching to these infidels to show them the light and suitable local candidates are found to administrate Papal Andalusia.         Many former commanders and skilled soldiers of the former Seville Emirate continue the fight despite the war already being over. Sunni-practicing peasants from across Iberia now flocking to their banner, seemingly not-content on actually rising at the time of the crusade - perhaps not believing it could succeed - but now they are actually under Catholic they have no intention of remaining so.  Unfortunately the Papal Army is lacking in manpower and supplies so soon after the crusade and additional aid is required in the form of the Company Of The Rose once more. Taking Mallorca is already paying off, providing a perfect place to muster our forces before they make landfall on the mainland.   Upon landing in Cadiz the combined Papal-Mercenary army marches on the rebels. The ragtag band of peasants stands little chance against a (semi)professional army, many routing and those brave or stupid enough to stand and fight are either killed or captured and the uprising quelled before it could become to much of a problem.   The mercenaries stay under our employ for the time being, stationed on the border with the Emirate of Valencia-Cordoba. We're already aware of the situation around Cordoba after violating the Emir's borders in the crusade, and the Emir is currently fighting multiple uprisings himself, we must press on after the success of the crusade and strike while the iron is hot.   As we bring ruin to one realm our own continues to prosper.   A year passes and the siege of Cordoba continues, we have not yet engaged the Emir's army as he continues to suppress his rebellions. Spurred on by our success in Andalusia the Spanish kingdoms have now begun marching south, declaring their own wars on Badajoz. By year's end however we become increasingly sick until we are bed-ridden. Our physician informs us -that just like our predecessor- we have cancer. Unlike the Mad Pope we will not spend out final years fretting over cures or extending our life, if this is how we go out, then we will spend what time we have left wisely.  Another two years pass and we trundle on, rarely travelling far from St. Peter's Basilica and never without our physician as our condition deteriorates. The siege of Cordoba persists, the defenders knowing full well this is a win-or-die situation for them. Our scouts briefly report of spotting stragglers of the Emir's army engaging rebels somewhere to the north - It is the most we will ever see of Emir Isma'il's army. After some more months the defenders of Cordoba finally give in, all food and supplies exhausted and the city falling into anarchy, the garrison knowing it'll either be surrender or resort to cannibalism to stay alive. They go with the more sane option and the flag of the Holy See is hoisted over the city where a caliph once ruled no less than a century ago. The Papal army is sent north to capture additional land before the rebels can seize it and make things more difficult for us.   Six years after our troops set sights on Cordoba and two years after it fell, with much of western Valencia-Cordoba under Papal control a messenger on horseback arrives at the main camp of the Papal army, a diplomat from the Emir with his terms of surrender. Cordoba will be transferred to the Pope but all Sunni living in those lands will be guaranteed safe passage out if they so chose. We agree - but they will not be allowed north, where they can join up with other remnant Muslim realms now fighting the Spanish, only south, back across the Mediterranean.  Day by day the Sunni in Iberia continue to lose battles and with it settlements as Catholics push in from either side now just a thin strip of land separates us from the Spanish in the north. The end of Muslim rule in Iberia is at hand.  We do not shy away from death, we have done the lord's work and ensured the safety and future prosperity of all good Catholics in Iberia and dealt a crushing blow to the infidel, we will surely be welcomed in the kingdom of heaven. 
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Is there a uranium deposit under Rome or something
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Nobody going to comment how we gave someone with the title "Son of the Devil" money? No? Okay.
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Yami Fenrir posted:Nobody going to comment how we gave someone with the title "Son of the Devil" money? No? Okay. Even the most devoted can have rumors irresponsibly spread about them, who are we to simply believe them?
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Rodyle posted:I have definitely seen the pope get the land before. Of course, it's CK2, so that could easily just be the game loving up. Raserys posted:Is there a uranium deposit under Rome or something
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According to the first result on Google, Popes don't reign more than a decade on average.
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Yeah, JPII was definitely an outlier. In-game, being old directly increases your chances of being elected Pope, so most of our characters will be starting out already in their 50s or 60s.
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Yami Fenrir posted:Nobody going to comment how we gave someone with the title "Son of the Devil" money? No? Okay.  “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin." Deuteronomy 24:16Raserys posted:Is there a uranium deposit under Rome or something I was beginning to wonder the same thing.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Well, like I said, there was a patch that basically meant that the Popes war contributions are decreased by a lot. This doesn't make it impossible for the Papacy to win them; just very difficult. About the only realistic way for it to happen these days is shenanigans. (Them hiring holy orders and mercs and slammin', the other joiners dying/nobody joining and other misc stuff) The best outcome of crusades always is when some minor captures the enemy ruler at the end of a battle, as that automatically gives them the highest contribution. I had a game where I played a Welsh duchy and joined the Crusade for Egypt and randomly got it gifted to me due to that.
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7 - 1100 - 1106 Reconquista Twenty years ago we were a simple priest, no church to our name, our flock tiny and living under constant persecution and fear our Sunni overlords. Ten years ago Pope Benedictus X arrived in southern Iberia, all the lords of Ireland, Wales and Normandy behind him. Five years ago we were made the Archbishop of Seville. Today we are elected Pope. It is the year of our lord 1100 and our peers in the college of cardinals deem us worthy of leading them and the entire Catholic church in these pressing times. We're not entirely sure we're the most suitable person - to be honest our faith in God has been shaken many times living under the rule of Emir Rashid of (old) Seville. Only when the forces of Christ liberated us did we believe again. And though we are diligent and hard-working and quick to think and act we so often find our selves tempted by the fairer sex.  We aim to improve the lives of all those living under Papal rule - true-believer and infidel alike. We do not condemn the Sunnis for their treatment of us and we do not seek to do the same to them now for we would be no better. We build begin building of new holdings across the realm and the reconstruction of those damaged or lost in the crusade. We implement new laws to further centralize the Papal state and new systems to better help our subjects.  When we were a mere peasant preacher we had little to worry about beyond the wrath of our local Sunni lord lest we step out of line. Now we shoulder the burden of leading an entire religion, it is a lot of pressure. Perhaps too much. One day only months into our reign, while attending to visiting bishops from France and Germania we are suddenly stricken with pain, our chest hurting and our breathing hard - only with the intervention of our physician Count Torbinu are we saved. He informs us we have suffered a minor heart-attack and that if we do not takes a little easier we may suffer another.   In Iberia King Sacho II of Castile has inherited the thrones of Galicia and Leon, firmly cementing himself as the leading power in the region. The Emir of Badajoz is now the Duke of Badajoz, no doubt alarmed at the sudden increase in power of his northern neighbour has seen the light and converted to Catholicism. He is a virtuous and goodhearted man who is welcomed into our faith with open arms. Valencia stands alone.   Meanwhile on the southern coast of the Mediterranean the Emir of Tripolitania has also converted to Catholicism, he is a somewhat less pious man than Duke Tariq, a smart, shrewd, sneaky man who no doubt converted not out of true belief but only his desire to keep his land, his faith will no doubt truly be tested if the neighbouring Shia Caliph decides to turn his ire towards this traitor Emir.   In 1102 Sheikh Ahmad of Almansa arrives in Rome personally, a recent convert - his dynasty were once the Emirs of Mallorca before Pope Benedictus X conquered the islands. Much of his family remained on the small isles where they converted to Christianity and it was through their persistence that he too came to the true faith. Now he has sought us out, to pledge his allegiance to the Papal state but also to inform us of the followers of Christ in neighbouring Murcia who are suffering greatly under Abu-Bakr the Ill-Ruler. We may be biased from our past under Emir Rashid but will not stand by while   Meanwhile half a world a way and the rule of the Seljuks has come to an end. The empire never truly recovered from their failed invasion of Byzantium, faith in the Seljuk sultans was shaken and increasingly the local Persian, Kurdish and Levantine Emirs and Sheikhs grew in power while the royal dyansty stagnated and wallowed until finally in a pretender Turkish Bey from the coast of the gulf gained enough support and marched on Esfahan, deposing the Seljuks and fracturing their empire for good.  Our temptations get the better of us and a young widow in our court catches our attention, she has claimed the hearts of many a man, perhaps she will claim ours t-  No. No she won't.  As the war to liberate Murcia continues we are hosted by Sheikh Ahmad not far from the front-lines where we can offer what little military expertise we have on where and what the army should be doing. But one night while attending a feast held at the large manor house of a local lord in Albacete a prominent patrician of the city Rashid (whom is still loyal to Allah) informs us the war has emboldened the local Christians and makes them believe they are free to attack innocent peasants and merchants in the street. While we are willing to wage war on the infidel in an official capacity allowing angry mobs to harass and harm unbelievers is not acceptable, we will only win them to our side through compassion not the threat of the sword. We inform Rashid we will do everything we can to protect the innocent and a small portion of the Papal army is drawn back from the front to patrol the streets in Almansa.  A year passes and Murcia falls. Shiekh Ahmad has passed but we make his brother Abdul-Razzaq the new Duke of Murcia to oversee these newly liberated lands and convince his fellow Muslims to convert just as he and his brother did.    Back in Rome and after decades of work the old Roman Circus Maximus is finally reconstructed and this can only mean one thing - a grand tournament to commemorate the occasion and celebrate another victory in Iberia. A month of jousts, archery and sword-fighting and now chariots!   At the end of it all there can only be one winner, a young soldier from the southern coast of Iberia takes home the glory and with it he is made our new master of horse.  As the excitement of the tournament passes we find the days in Rome becoming longer and duller. Often we find ourselves pondering whether becoming Pope has really been worth it, too many responsibilities and duties require our constant attention and we must find an outlet lest we work ourselves to death (especially with our heart condition). With so many visiting nobles and dignitaries to the Holy See - many of whom with a military background, with a keen ability to ride and wield a weapon it only seems fitting that we begin hunting regularly with them in the countryside around the city and beyond. We hear rumour of a fabled creature and make it our goal to claim this trophy.  During late summer in 1105 a messenger bursts into a council meeting we are holding, homing pigeon under one arm and slip of paper in his other, hurriedly informing us the Duke of Badajoz is to march on the Emirate of Valencia and requires urgent Papal assistance. We immediately cease the meeting, bringing Cardinal Diego - Marshal and Archbishop Seville with us and make for the port near Rome while horse messengers are set forth across Italia to call upon our lords and bishops with free troops. Before we even set sail we hear word that King Sacho II has also heeded the call and sets to march alongside the Duke. The end of Sunni rule in Iberia is nigh.   The largest part of the Valencian army is decimated on the Castillian border leaving our forces and the Duke's to move in and begin sieging the land of Emir Isma'il the cruel.  The main castles of Tulaytulah and Kunka fall before the year is out and the Papal force with half of the Castille army attached moves to intercept the Emir's army as it is sighted attempting to move into Castillian land.   As the Papal forces engages the Emir's, the far greater numbered army of Castille forms a wide perimeter around the area, capturing all fleeing soldiers as the battle continues going in our favour and more of the infidel rout and run. Until finally one of the captured men is revealed to be the Emir masquerading as a normal soldier attempting to get away freely. He has no choice but to surrender, the last Sunni ruler in Iberia is deposed. The reconquista is complete 25th March 1106.  
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It would make sense to give that land over to one of the powers in Iberia, but which? Castile seems like the logical choice, but we have Christianized Arabs and that seems too cool to pass up.
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Though with the Monks and Mystics DLC there is about a 50/50 chance of them having falsely converted just to save their own skin. Giving them the Andalusian Kingdom might just spur them on to reconvert back to Islam and force us to restart the reconquista once more. That said, it is a really cool idea I'd fully support even with the threat of reconversion. Also, what the carp is France doing down there? 
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Do the mods you have also gimp Theocracies? Because you have to use so many console shenanigans if you want to get a kingdom level title to them. Though, if they have the Pope as playable, I guess you can give king level titles to theocratic vassals? I would think a small theocracy would be nice enough, if we don't just keep it.
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Luhood posted:Also, what the carp is France doing down there?  Deceitful Penguin posted:Do the mods you have also gimp Theocracies? Because you have to use so many console shenanigans if you want to get a kingdom level title to them. I cannot create kingdom level tittles nor do I think I can give them to bishops if I ever did get one. But if there's ever an independent arch-bishopric with enough land, gold and prestige that he could reasonably form a kingdom I'd just console command it for them. No reason to let game-limitations stand in the way of fun. Patter Song posted:Does our Pope have living relatives? Almost everyone of our Popes will be the randomly generated heir to a bishopric somewhere. They'll have no family. But if we ever do get one with any relatives I'll be sure to mention it when that Pope is elected. V V V V V V V Crisis Now fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Does our Pope have living relatives?
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Yeah, 'cause just eyeballing it you seem to have enough to create Andalusia? Maybe you'd need some more?
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You still need to grab Valencia proper though
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I think, since we can't take land from good Catholics, there's no reason to give up the land we get from crusading.
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You could just console create the Kingdom of Andalusia and give it to a good Christian noble.
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8 - 1106 - 1116 The Pale Horse Rides A year has passed since the end of the reconquista. The Duke of Badajoz has died and been succeed by his son who is crowned the first King Of Portugal. A ship arrives from Iberia in the docks near Rome, a large package meant for us signed by King Sacho II of Castille - gifts for all our work liberating his homeland.   A new physician is recruited for the Papacy and courtiers, a skilled man with quite the appetite. And we wed King Sacho II with a noblewoman here in Rome, the Papacy has become increasingly Spain-ified these past few years.   Italy is free. Spain is free. With each day the infidels lose more influence, land and people. We attend to our Papal duties efficiently and without incident and our free time is spent off hunting near the lakes north of Rome. Life is good and there seems to be nothing that can ruin it.  We receive word - rumour really- of a some new epidemic far off in some far-flung corner of the world, with no cure and spreading rapidly. Better to be safe than sorry and we order further improvements of the already quite extensive hospital network in Rome.   With the possibility of a new disease ravaging our land and creating havoc with our army we need a more secure way of protecting Rome. We begin the process of turning the Pontifical Guard into an army in it's own right. Ready to patrol the streets of the capital, hunt down bandits and raiders and even fend off any invaders if need be - as well as accompany the regular army in future campaigns.  We appoint one of the commanders in our court to lead the new Papal Guard, Fadazu - a man with probably a greater life story than any other we have met. Born in some jungle village in some far off remote part of Africa no civilized man has heard of. Taken as a child by the nearby Sunni warlord, castrated and raised to be a steward and supervisor of the lord's harem - until personally saving the tyrant's life from an assassin and instead coming to lead his army. Fate would bring him to the coast of North Africa where he was captured by the Republic of Pisa. He converted to Christianity to gain his freedom and was presented to the Mad Pope. He was a commander of the crusader army under Pope Benedictus X and now he has come to be in-charge of the Papal Guard (the most elite force in all of Italia I dare say) under us.  As the months roll by the rumours of the terrible disease become confirmed facts as it begins to seep into the Levant, killing peasant and noble alike. We have spent much of our time preparing for it's arrival, bringing the best doctors and physicians to Rome, gathering all the food supplies we can from the surrounding holds. Our court physician tries to stop us from overworking for fear of another heart attack. It is the least of our concern right now.  In early 1112 the great plague arrives at our doorstep and we seal the gates of the city, praying the Aurelian Walls will keep us safe.   The Shia lands of the Fatimids are hit hard, the ruling dynasty of the Caliph are so decimated by this plague that they lose their power entirely, one of Emirs in the Holy Land claiming himself the new Caliph. There is so much devastation that no army can even be mustered to oppose him and he cements his position as the new ruler of the Shia faith, moving the capital to Jerusalem as the empire as a whole becomes increasingly decentralized as local Emirs and Sheikhs gain more control in the power vacuum.  And with the new capital of the Muslim world being Jerusalem the Caliph sees to it that all non-believers are expelled from the Holy Land. One such group - the Hospitallers who gave aid to travelling Christians in the Holy Land and had become increasingly militarized in the years since our predecessors incursions into the Muslim world come to us for aid. We give them our fall backing, they will no doubt be useful in the coming conflicts we or our successors may face.  Despite our best efforts the plague still manages to get within our walls, the young and the old, the frail and those already sick seem to be most at risk. We try to help those we can As the world around us perishes we receive endless messengers and envoys from the kingdoms of Christendom, pleading for our guidance and we offer what we can.   The months continue to pass, but the plague subsists as the body count increases and the food supplies dwindle.   If these are truly the end of days then what harm is there in indulging in one or two carnal pleasures.  No. Apparently not. Forgive us Lord it was worth a shot.  An envoy arrives from across the sea belonging to the Emir of Tripolitania, the mad man seeks to march on the Sultan of Africa and crown himself King in the middle of this disease. Perhaps we were too quick to doubt his commitment to the Catholic faith if he is willing to risk it all in his bid to oust one of the major Sunni rulers in the Mediterranean. He asks for monetary aid and we gladly oblige, we cant eat gold and there's no one left in a hundred miles to barter more food from with it. If we are to survive we're going to have to start limiting how much each of our the remaining subjects and courtiers in Rome can eat per day.   1115 and word reaches us that the great plague has begun to dispel far in the east, there is hope yet that it will finally cease in our lands too. If we can just hold out. It's really all becoming too much for us to handle.   Our court chaplain - the archbishop of Seville convinces us that there are powerful evil forces at work here in Rome and that they conspire to keep the plague here in our lands for as long as possible for their own nefarious means. We must find and stop them if we wish to be free of this illness.  Emir Hussayn is now King Hussayn, succeeding in his gamble to seize the African throne and displacing a great number of Sunni lords and peasants in the process, sending them out to either Egypt or Mauritania - in the midst of this plague - many will die on the road. The new Caliph is non-too-pleased to say the least and our advisers warn us that there will likely be dire consequences for Catholicism's rapid growth south of the Mediterranean and our victories in Iberia.  The Archbishop of Seville informs us the suspected devil-worshipers that haunt our land are in far greater number than he initially thought, they could be anyone and anywhere. Our court is ordered to remain vigilant.  A sunni mayor from Iberia comes before us, dragging one of our nuns with him, accusing her of being a witch. Surely the man must be wrong.  Turns out the nun is a possessed satanic homosexual werewolf. Well that changes things. (Despite imprisoning the witch seemingly escapes our clutches and is later nowhere to be found, presumably fled far away)   More courtiers bring accused before us but we see nothing wrong with these people, these are obviously the targets of petty grudges by the accuser and we see it that they leave our court again unharmed.    Until a visiting Greek noble is brought before us. Another gay satanist! We imprison the warlock under the heaviest guard possible. But when the time comes to pass his judgement we cannot condemn the man, so many have died these past few years why must another be slain. The Greekman is moved by our mercy, he vows to leave our lands at once and put an end to his wicked ways for good.   Order begins to return to Rome and just like that the plague is dispelled. Four years of carnage and death are behind us, God only knows how many millions or dare we consider tens of millions may have perished.   But we survived and our spirits have been lifted. It is time again to do a much missed activity we never had the chance to do while we hid away within the city walls.  We've never felt more alive! Our attending courtiers can barely keep up with us as we speed off through the forests as fast as we can on our steed. The trees rushing by so fast they begin to blur, our head becoming light, our arms begin to ache, our chest begins to burn. We clutch at our heart, losing grip of the reins and falling from the ho-  __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Papal Bull of 1116 - Fata Baeticae Before his untimely passing his Holiness Pope Leo X decreed that the fate of Andalusia should now be considered that the Sunni have be expelled from Iberia. He outlined four options that the college of cardinals and the advisors of the Papacy to consider before presenting their consensus to the new Pope.  Chancellor Mariano de Lacon Gunale  Once again we find ourselves at an impasse. When we began the crusade for Andalusia we did so with the intention of liberating the region and creating a strong Catholic power in Iberia. We now have three middling regional powers. To our north lies the kingdoms of Castille and Portugal. they are the rightful overlords of this land, these are their people. A ) Andalusia should be granted to the kingdom of Castille or Portugal _____________________________________________________________ Spymaster Baron Cosma of Alcudia  For generations our people lived under the rule of Sunni tyrants, we are not so ready to throw ourselves at the feet of yet more kings. Let the people of south Iberia forge their own paths. Give us each our freedom and let God decide our fate. B ) The constituent parts of Andalusia shall each be released as a number of sovereign states. _____________________________________________________________ Archbishop of Granada Lope del Carpio  The crusade was just the beginning but there is much more work to be done here in Andalusia, there still dwells many infidel within these borders and to our south lies the Almoravid menace. No doubt with Iberia free the Papacy will now turn it's attention to the east. Grant us independence and under the guidance of a Bishop-King we will continue the Lord's work here in the west. C ) A single united Holy Kingdom of Andalusia should be formed. _____________________________________________________________ Lord-Commander of the Papal Guard Fadazu  If I may be so bold, I may not be of noble birth but I have marched alongside many in my years of service to this state. I have seen the brave men of the Papal State fight and die for this land, why now should we so freely give it away and make their deaths for nought. We have expended so much to gain these lands, they are surely ours by right. And we will need the men and gold she provides for our wars to come. _____________________________________________________________ D )Andalusia should remain part of the Papacy. Crisis Now fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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I approve of D or C in that order of preference.
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Let us establish the Holy Kingdom of Andalusia.
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We did what we came for. The Holy Kingdom of Andalusia will take over while we turn our attention elsewhere.
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