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IshmaelZarkov
Jun 20, 2013


Torrannor posted:

Why is there a B-Wing in Star Trek?

I don't know why, but I'd like more of it please.

EDIT: Top of the page? Goddamn it.

To pretend I'm actively adding content, I saw Star Trek Beyond for the first time last night and I retroactively feel a little worse about Discovery.

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FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014



excuse me but FASA was designing terrible Star Trek ships long before STO or deviantart existed

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


FuturePastNow posted:

excuse me but FASA was designing terrible Star Trek ships long before STO or deviantart existed

Oh yes.

Atarask
Mar 8, 2008

Lord of Rigel Developer

Hipster_Doofus posted:

Not sure I would call energy derived from the alt-right as "clean," but hey what the hell.

Wasn't this the plot of the last Doom game?

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Yam Slacker

FuturePastNow posted:

excuse me but FASA was designing terrible Star Trek ships long before STO or deviantart existed

Especially for their early-TNG era stuff, which came out right before they abruptly lost their contract with Paramount due to "licensing difficulties."

Seriously, look at this crap:









Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

MENTALLY
DEFEATED


Grimey Drawer

That first one is essentially the Sovereign, so yeah,

Dirty
Apr 8, 2003

Let's get our doughnut on


Do not mess with the X-Bomber, it will ruin your day.



And it had a banger of a theme tune.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD-9NZsYCQw

Dirty fucked around with this message at Apr 30, 2018 around 10:16

MillennialVulcan
Feb 11, 2008

(Thought-ful Croak)


http://vmashup.com/TMLPt0uC

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."



Yes, that fits well. Also, that X-Bomber looks like the Battlehawk from Terrahawks.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

why donald duck never wears pants but he puts a towel on his waist after the shower?

- Jerry Seinfeld


i really like this one as well

its like an upside down sailboat, or a regular side up garden trowel

Powered Descent posted:

Especially for their early-TNG era stuff, which came out right before they abruptly lost their contract with Paramount due to "licensing difficulties."

Seriously, look at this crap:











these ones all stink tho. needs the giant underside fin

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Powered Descent posted:

Especially for their early-TNG era stuff, which came out right before they abruptly lost their contract with Paramount due to "licensing difficulties."

Seriously, look at this crap:











These look like something I'd draw in occupational therapy after a bad fall.

Wee Bairns
Feb 10, 2004

Jack Tripper's wingman.

The Royal Sovereign design isn't that bad, out of those FASA designs. While the secondary hull is a rather elongated hot mess, it at least looks like a ship contemporary to the Galaxy-class.
A lot of fan blueprints and starship designs from the 80's would have made excellent slightly-pre-TOS vessels, but what are you going to do?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I just *LOVE* spoonheads

I think there's an interesting design lineage with the canon designs you see for Starfleet's cruiser-type ships.

Start with the Constitution. Saucer, engineering hull, nacelles, all on thin angled pylons.

The new cruiser type we see after the Constitution is the Excelsior. The neck pylon is now straight up rather than the forward-leaning neck of the Constitution, and much shorter and wider. The nacelle pylons are now straight right angles. It's a larger, stouter looking ship.

After the Excelsior is the Ambassador class, which largely keeps the shapes of the Excelsior but dramatically changes the proportions. The Constitution and Excelsior are both long, narrow, vertically tall looking ships. The Ambassador's proportions are quite different, it's short and fat, very blocky despite how rounded everything is. The nacelles especially are now short and wide, rather than the long, thin nacelles of previous cruisers. It's a rather compact looking ship by comparison to previous and subsequent designs.

From the Ambassador, we get the Galaxy class. Proportions are generally the same as the Ambassador, but the saucer is stretched out horizontally and the neck pylon stretches to accomodate in a cobra hood looking configuration. The secondary hull drops the 'tail' the Ambassador and Excelsior had, and the secondary hull almost seems to huddle underneath and behind the massive Galaxy saucer. It's not as compact or blocky as the Ambassador, but retains the short and wide proportions while remaining a rather tall ship.

Before we get to the Sovereign, though, another cruiser-type ship appeared in Star Trek: the Intrepid. I think the Intrepid is a divergent evolution of the Excelsior design, as it draws on the same design heritage but like the Ambassador makes some significant alterations. First and foremost, the neck pylon is eliminated, bringing the saucer down to sit directly on top of the engineering section. Additionally, the nacelles are brought down to level with the secondary hull, with shorter pylons. It's still a long and narrow looking ship, but now it's much shorter and sleeker than its predecessors and contemporaries.

The Sovereign, in my mind, is an evolution of the Intrepid rather than the Galaxy, as it retains the same proportions and styling. Saucer sitting directly on top of engineering with no discernable neck pylon, and low-slung nacelle pylons keeping the nacelles close to the body of the ship - on level with the saucer like in older designs, but feeling much closer in with much less empty space due to the Sovereign's different proportions. It's another long, narrow, low-slung ship like the Intrepid.

The Nova is very similar to the Intrepid in design and proportions.

Finally, the Prometheus seems to be another iteration from the Intrepid, this time almost completely eliminating the distinction between saucer and secondary hull (though given the Prometheus' gimmick, this isn't surprising), though you can still see the distinct parts.


There's a few other 'lines' of Federation ships I think you can trace in the canon. The Miranda class leads smoothly to the Centaur, with a brief fling with the Galaxy class leading to the Nebula, and from STD I think the Walker class (USS Shenzou) slides neatly into place as the Miranda's predecessor. The Akira obviously draws heavily from the NX with their catamaran design you see nowhere else.

And during the DS9 era, you see a flurry of new Starfleet designs with no clear design lineage that seem to be wholly new designs - the Defiant, Saber, Norway, Steamrunner, and Peregrine (the Akira not anymore thanks to Enterprise). Which makes sense if Starfleet is experimenting with new designs in response to threats like the Borg, and in my mind, perhaps advances in warp technology. In TOS, the Enterprise's nacelles were supposed to be dangerous in the eyes of the show's designers, and should be kept away from the ship. You see that philosophy continue until the DS9 era, so perhaps Starfleet came up with a way to make the nacelles safer.

Wee Bairns
Feb 10, 2004

Jack Tripper's wingman.

Well thought-out.

Could also be considered that the Steamrunner, Sabre and Defiant-classes come from a similar design lineage or school of thought. Comparatively flat, with nacelles that are part of the main hull instead of connected by any sort of pylon assembly.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I just *LOVE* spoonheads

Wee Bairns posted:

Well thought-out.

Could also be considered that the Steamrunner, Sabre and Defiant-classes come from a similar design lineage or school of thought. Comparatively flat, with nacelles that are part of the main hull instead of connected by any sort of pylon assembly.

True, though they all appeared around the same time. Sisko personally designed the Defiant, so maybe he had a hand in the other two or it was part of a general experiment in making small, compact ships.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011




The_Doctor posted:

Yes, that fits well. Also, that X-Bomber looks like the Battlehawk from Terrahawks.

Not a huge surprise given that Terrahawks was made because X-Bomber had been a huge hit in the UK, but the models etc had been destroyed earlier so they weren't able to commission a second series from Japan.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I just *LOVE* spoonheads

Thinking about the Starfleet designs, Discovery bugs me even more - it really doesn't look much like any Starfleet ship we've seen before or since, chronologically.

For one thing, the speed holes and spinny bits in the saucer. We've seen holes/negative space in Federation ships before, like the Vulcans' D'Kyr class from Enterprise and the catamaran design of the NX and Akira, but the Crossfield's saucer is something very different.

Partly because of that, the neck pylon of the Crossfield rises up over the saucer section, forming a handle to the pizza cutter. That's another strange bit of design never seen in a Starfleet vessel.

The secondary hull is truly bizarre from a Starfleet perspective, not simply because it's triangular, but because it's completely flat. Starfleet ships are almost always very rounded and smooth looking, hard lines and angles are an unusual sight, usually on a small scale like the rear hull of the catamaran series or the Miranda's roll bar. Stylistically, Starfleet just doesn't do flat, angled planes. The Saber and Steamrunner come closest, but even they break up the harsh lines with curves in the hull.

Finally, the nacelles are set directly atop the secondary hull. Not unheard of - see the Oberth, Saber, Defiant, and Steamrunner - but those cases all have the nacelles running the length of the ship, not in otherwise traditional nacelle positions trailing behind the hull.


The Crossfield class has all the elements of a Starfleet ship, but there's some strange choices involved and the proportions are just odd. It's a super long ship, made so mostly by the long nacelles, but if you were to trim the nacelles back to a more reasonable level you'd still have an awkward looking ship with that triangular secondary hull and the long pizza cutter design of the neck and saucer.

Still, no stranger than the Oberth, I suppose. The Crossfield at least can be written off as a twisted and rightfully forgotten spin-off of the Starfleet cruiser line. But I have no idea at all what design tree the Oberth dropped out of.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Cythereal posted:

But I have no idea at all what design tree the Oberth dropped out of.

Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013



Cythereal posted:

Still, no stranger than the Oberth, I suppose. The Crossfield at least can be written off as a twisted and rightfully forgotten spin-off of the Starfleet cruiser line. But I have no idea at all what design tree the Oberth dropped out of.

Starfleet's been around long enough they probably have tons of dead-end design offshoots and one-shots, just like they seem to have a lot of abandoned engine concepts using some of those ships as testbeds.

Wee Bairns
Feb 10, 2004

Jack Tripper's wingman.

Cythereal posted:

True, though they all appeared around the same time. Sisko personally designed the Defiant, so maybe he had a hand in the other two or it was part of a general experiment in making small, compact ships.

Well, I suppose you could claim the Oberth comes from this lineage too. The secondary hull looks like an afterthought in its design.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

ensign dwarf, set a course for getting blitzed the fuck out

warp factor nine

Anyone hear if they're ever gonna do a second soundtrack volume for Discovery? As much as I loathe the name, I really liked the Black Alert music and want it, but I saw a snip of some interview with the composer where he sniffed and said something like "well i just like to release whole albums, so sorry (heh not sorry ) if your favorite track doesn't make it" and I have the ugly feeling all we got is all we're going to get.

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Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008


Maybe in 20 years, DIS will get a glorified four disc soundtrack release on La-La Land records.

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