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CityMidnightJunky posted:TOS, TNG, DS9...Honestly my biggest complaint about this show is that it should always be referred to as STD. I thought that as well, but the DISCO workout t shirts were just too awesome not to constantly reference. CoolCab posted:spock also maps better to modern sensibilities - the intellectual outsider obsessed with logic is far more palatable then the sexually agressive mysogynist captian, or the kind-of-racist southern caricature wut https://www.cbr.com/star-trek-things-about-captain-kirk/
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Why is there some thought Pike is about to be the captain of the Discovery? The teaser was they had to go to Vulcan to pick up their new captain, along the way the Enterprise is like yo we could use some assistance. Where are y'all getting that idea from?
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Why is there some thought Pike is about to be the captain of the Discovery? The teaser was they had to go to Vulcan to pick up their new captain, along the way the Enterprise is like yo we could use some assistance. Where are y'all getting that idea from? Because that's what CBS has said.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Why is there some thought Pike is about to be the captain of the Discovery? The teaser was they had to go to Vulcan to pick up their new captain, along the way the Enterprise is like yo we could use some assistance. Where are y'all getting that idea from? "I'm here to take command of the Discovery." -Christopher Pike to Saru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2coob7np2LA
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Why is there some thought Pike is about to be the captain of the Discovery? The teaser was they had to go to Vulcan to pick up their new captain, along the way the Enterprise is like yo we could use some assistance. Where are y'all getting that idea from? Based on the trailer it seems like they are building up (some attempt at) a big epic mystery spanning the galaxy. Right now I'm assuming that Pike was the intended new captain and they did the sneaky intervention to avoid broadcasting that where the wrong person could hear the message.
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Everything is some big epic mystery! Some huge threat! Some massive cliffhanger! How about something like... I don't know, Star Trek? Or hey, maybe try something like Better Call Saul, possibly the best show on TV. Concentrate on the characters, not the battles or mysteries. Characters will always see you through. Everyone loves TOS TNG and DS9 because of the characters. Even Troi and Dax are likable. Then you get to VOY... then ENT... then STD and oh god. The characters. Sorry for the rant. I didn't know there was going to be a big epic mystery. I want this show to be good but with that lead character, I just... Balls.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Ehh, I have a lot of problems with Discovery but this isn't one of them for me personally. I can suspend my disbelief easily enough that the drive is unique to Discovery because it requires their engineer to interface with it, that the ethics of it are still being debated, or that they just can't crank out another one quickly enough to deal with the central crisis of season 2. And I feel like they still have time to introduce an acceptable enough reason why you don't see the drive in later shows. Other ships don't have the spinny bit that makes the spore drive work.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Why is there some thought Pike is about to be the captain of the Discovery? The teaser was they had to go to Vulcan to pick up their new captain, along the way the Enterprise is like yo we could use some assistance. Where are y'all getting that idea from? It makes sense. Discovery was diverted to Vulcan for a new Captain, presumably the Enterprise dropped Spock off there, then the Enterprise transmitted a sos to attract Discovery, and pick up the new Captain. This is not the most far fetched thing they have done.
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Alan_Shore posted:Sorry for the rant. I didn't know there was going to be a big epic mystery. I want this show to be good but with that lead character, I just... Balls.
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Aug 16, 2018 14:31
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Thats what i get for not reading months of posts and skipping to the end of the thread.
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Aug 16, 2018 18:47
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More from the make-up department:quote:"We're trying to adhere as much as we can to canon, but still evolving it and making it something for today's audience - making it smarter, cooler, and technically more impressive so it can hold up in HD. But we don't want anything that looks so different that someone goes, 'That's not what an Andorian looks like.' It's a fine line... We're obsessed with that story [Kahless the Unforgettable]. And as we unpack it, we're going to find tons of other reasons for the Klingon look. I think people are going to freak out when this unfurls in front of them"... See, we've only seen 6 houses and all 6 were designed badly. So don't worry, the other 14 houses should be fine... Start the horror music. I've emphasized the scariest parts above. An Ounce of Gold fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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He knows there’s a bad definition of the phrase ‘freak out’, right?
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An Ounce of Gold posted:"We're obsessed with that story [Kahless the Unforgettable]. And as we unpack it, we're going to find tons of other reasons for the Klingon look. I think people are going to freak out when this unfurls in front of them" Pfffffft 
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Maybe we'll see more traditional Klingons and they turn around and kill the new Klingons because they are unfun dorks.
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Yesterday's audience is dumb and uncool Today's audience will totally freak maaan Jesus it really is Poochie Trek
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Aug 17, 2018 17:29
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twistedmentat posted:Maybe we'll see more traditional Klingons and they turn around and kill the new Klingons because they are unfun dorks. I would legit love to see TOS Klingons.
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Croatoan posted:I would legit love to see TOS Klingons. Ash Tyler as is loving looks like a TOS Klingon. Just give him a sash and bam.
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Aug 17, 2018 18:34
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I made this and when I showed it to Doug Jones and talked about Saru and anxiety, he kissed me on the cheek. Doug Jones rules. 
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Geekboy posted:I made this and when I showed it to Doug Jones and talked about Saru and anxiety, he kissed me on the cheek. Everything I've ever read about people meeting Doug Jones, including friends of mine, say he's the nicest person you could ever meet.
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I had heard the same, but I still wasn’t prepared for how nice he was in person.
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Aug 17, 2018 20:27
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The Bloop posted:Yesterday's audience is dumb and uncool It's amazing how that episode of The Simpsons played how network executives and ceos actually are for laughs. The only thing that really hurts when I think about STD are all the wonderful, talented people at every level of the production that are beholden to the inane whims of these oblivious, talentless and greedy pricks.
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Croatoan posted:I would legit love to see TOS Klingons. 
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CoolCab posted:spock also maps better to modern sensibilities - the intellectual outsider obsessed with logic is far more palatable then the sexually agressive mysogynist captian, or the kind-of-racist southern caricature. Lol
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Croatoan posted:I would legit love to see TOS Klingons. Had to go digging for this. Flashback to September 2017. During the broadcast of the Discovery pilot episode, you live-posted: Astroman posted:If they light that signal and a bunch of brownface smooth forehead Klingots show up in gold lame' I will never, ever complain about continuity for the rest of this season. I agree, and I'll make the same offer for Season 2.
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Astroman posted:wut Phobeste posted:Lol sorry guys, welcome to the market
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My thought was the Klingons we see are not True Klingons, but the Hur'Q. They weren't invaders that ransacked Quo'noS, no they were a subspecies that either just straight up went to war with the mainline Klingons and were driven off world, or maybe they were slaves and revolted. That would have explained their monstrous appearance and religious zealotry that is uncharacteristic of Klingons we've seen before. Klingons before were the embodiment of the phrase "eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die!" except Worf who over compensated for everything which turned him into a humorless nerd.
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twistedmentat posted:My thought was the Klingons we see are not True Klingons, but the Hur'Q. They weren't invaders that ransacked Quo'noS, no they were a subspecies that either just straight up went to war with the mainline Klingons and were driven off world, or maybe they were slaves and revolted. That would have explained their monstrous appearance and religious zealotry that is uncharacteristic of Klingons we've seen before. I might forgive a lot if this were the answer, but it's not like the Federation hasn't seen Klingons before the events of DISCO Maybe they just use the word Klingons for any of several key races in the Empire, but we're getting into pretty fudgey ground at that point Edit: and the Hurq were the only people we saw on Quonos and now you've retconned double stream Klingons
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They're changing them because they received a lukewarm response.
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Lizard Combatant posted:They're changing them because they received a lukewarm response. But insisting (insultingly imo, but we'll have to see) that this was the plan all along and also that they're totally respecting canon continuity in a super secret way that will blow your mind
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Not only that, but with them bitching about "pure Klingons" and losing their Klingon-ness, it would be silly for Worf-ons and especially Augment Virus TOS-ons to not have appeared. Like that entire arc practically screamed that it would be about humanized Klingons vs "real" Klingons. But we saw neither hide nor hair.
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The Bloop posted:But insisting (insultingly imo, but we'll have to see) that this was the plan all along and also that they're totally respecting canon continuity in a super secret way that will blow your mind To be fair, it is actually consistent with things that they said before Season 1 even started airing. From here: quote:"In the different versions of Trek, the Klingons have never been completely consistent. We will introduce several different houses with different styles. Hopefully, fans will become more invested in the characters than worried about the redesign." From here: quote:"Obviously the hair was the biggest thing people noticed, or the lack thereof. And I will attest to the fact there is a reason my ridge goes back the way it does. There are sensors and pheromones…There is a whole reasoning behind it that is adhering to what has always been true in Klingon canon…So I deeply believe we are in line with what has come before but is also adding a new kind of nuance."
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So people are bitching about the new Spock being a less fully-formed one, like what we saw in the Cage and kinda in the first two Kelvin movies. Would they be more comfortable if he was wearing a Cage turtleneck and in a plastic set? I think if they're gonna use the guy (which they should if they can do it right) it's more interesting to show us his earlier self than just jump into the TOS one we saw already it does beg the question though, do they only intend on ever recasting Spock as a young dude? Is it too out of the realm of possibility we'll see someone, even Quinto, do a middle-aged or older Spock one day?
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By Season 3 we will have new Spock, Spock from the Kelvin Timeline, and a CGI Leonard Nemoy.
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Peachfart posted:By Season 3 we will have new Spock, Spock from the Kelvin Timeline, and a CGI Leonard Nemoy. Tuvok for good measure.
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Lizard Combatant posted:They're changing them because they received a lukewarm response. This is what happens when you radically change one of the most popular things in the franchise. It's like if JJ Abrams decided that Jedi actually shot people with force powered guns rather than lightsabers and Chewie is now a lizard that speaks clear english with a Gambit accent when he made TFA. Trek right now feels like its where Video game movies are and comic movies pre-Iron Man, where the people making them are all "no one likes the old stuff, we gotta update everything for the kids! But we're totally going to tie it into the stuff that already exists to sucker in the greybeards!". Also the continued obsession with TOS is really misplaced. I've said it many times, but people might know Kirk and Spock, but outside of Kirk likes to gently caress and Spock has pointy ears and goes "Illogical". Guys like me who grew up on TNG are way more into that whole universe as it was much more realized between TNG and DS9 and for a lesser extent Voyager. Why not build off that? I feel like maybe Paramount owns TOS stuff and TNG stuff is owned by the writers and directors and therefor they wouldn't make as much money from it.
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twistedmentat posted:Also the continued obsession with TOS is really misplaced. I've said it many times, but people might know Kirk and Spock, but outside of Kirk likes to gently caress and Spock has pointy ears and goes "Illogical". Guys like me who grew up on TNG are way more into that whole universe as it was much more realized between TNG and DS9 and for a lesser extent Voyager. Why not build off that? I feel like maybe Paramount owns TOS stuff and TNG stuff is owned by the writers and directors and therefor they wouldn't make as much money from it. Did you miss the Picard news?
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twistedmentat posted:I feel like maybe Paramount owns TOS stuff and TNG stuff is owned by the writers and directors and therefor they wouldn't make as much money from it. Star Trek, in its entirety, is owned by CBS Corporation; Paramount makes its movies under license from CBS.
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