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So is the Discovery still bronze, or did they get rid of that? Hard to tell in the newer promos.The Bloop posted:I really, really don't think the fanbase's problem with the prequel trilogy was "too much politics" People constantly mock it for being about space politics and trade disputes.
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skasion posted:Bryan Fuller is an idiot and thinks it is interesting Didn't he want her to just be called "Number One", like in the original ST pilot?
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Sep 25, 2017 05:22
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Did they ever do anything with the 2 different crews being in conflict with each other? Yes, but it became the basis for a few episodes rather than for the whole series. That was enough for me, personally.
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Sep 26, 2017 02:24
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Gonz posted:I hope they show Stovokor and it looks like a Cannibal Corpse music video directed by Trent Reznor. Gre'thor is better.
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Sep 26, 2017 06:51
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I don't really get the extreme focus on adherence to canon/continuity by so many fans of this franchise. If it helps you enjoy the series, or it helps the writers write it, then its all good. If not, throw it out the drat airlock. Why keep it around just to get in the way? I've never heard of comic readers getting mad that Batman's costume and physical dimensions change constantly depending on who draws him, like its ruining their immersion. That sort of thing is just accepted in other franchises (another obvious example is James Bond). Yet for this series the same sort of criticisms are endless. Why?
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Sep 26, 2017 07:21
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Zaphod42 posted:Lmao are you kidding? Comic book fans bitch non-stop about costume changes. And I think they should, lots of the movie re-designs are stupid for the sake of being different. Apocalypse looked awful in the x-men movie. I wasn't talking about comic costume changes in general, I was talking about costume changes (specifically inevitable differences from different artists etc.) violating canon/continuity.
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Sep 26, 2017 19:49
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Pastamania posted:That the words 'Jeffery Combs' aren't normally proceeded with the words 'Hollywood Megastar' is a goddamn crime. There's room within a series, and even within a single episode, for both camp and grimness. In the Pale Moonlight is both very dark and still very campy, for example. Discovery hasn't done that yet (I found some parts cringey, but not campy in the same way) but that doesn't mean it can't.
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Sep 26, 2017 22:15
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Kinda funny that one of the most common complaints about Voyager was that the Maquis and Starfleet crews started getting along too quickly, but after one episode of a crew and main character who don't get along some people (the same people?) are already tired of it.
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Oct 2, 2017 04:31
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MikeJF posted:The Marquis were rebels who were forced into integrating with a Starfleet crew for survival. These people are ostensibly professionals. In this show the tension came from integrating a science-trained crew with a war-focused captain, and forcing them to work with a disgraced mutineer. Nobody was being an rear end in a top hat just for the sake of it. Anyway, there are two separate questions in both cases, a) does it make sense with the premise and b) would it be fun or interesting to watch.
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Oct 2, 2017 04:48
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Barclay was way more socially retarded than Tilly has been, so far. Many people are awkward around new roommates and/or famous criminals without it being a disorder.
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Oct 2, 2017 05:12
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:I want to know the conversation in the writers room that led to Burnham just suddenly reciting Alice in Wonderland. I read elsewhere that the monster was probably a tardigrade enlarged by the experiments, which would make the passages about Alice growing and shrinking more relevant.
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Oct 2, 2017 05:27
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Atreiden posted:Federation penal colonies are mentioned in DS9 and Voyager has Paris in one of them. I'll grand you, I found it odd in both series. But DS9 also shows two fairly stark federation prison space stations. I always got the impression that the one Paris was in was restrictive but not particularly brutal. Like you could essentially live a normal, boring life inside a big resort area.
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Oct 2, 2017 05:39
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Arglebargle III posted:Did they send a second boarding party to capture the thing? He says the security officer transported it.
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Oct 3, 2017 03:45
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Leathal posted:So uh this show is being really loving heavy handed with the blatant "Modern Prestige Show" style of foreshadowing. I don't see why there would have to be a timeline reset. Rather, I predict the war will end once Starfleet realizes any diplomacy with the Klingons needs to be based in their concept of honor and not in so-very-human platitudes like "we come in peace". They will come to the same place that Sarek said Vulcans and Klingons came to, just with many more lives lost. Comrade Fakename posted:Why do people even give a gently caress about the shuttle pilot? You don't see what happens to her because it doesn't matter. Because people are stuck on the idea that finding ways in which this version of Starfleet is not perfectly moral means the show is bad, despite the fact that Starfleet has never been perfectly moral. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Oct 3, 2017 |
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Oct 3, 2017 06:50
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Goons are bad at watching tv shows and often get hung up on completely irrelevant details/things that are plainly explained within the show. See; real/fake salt on Michael's car, "Did Kenneth make a racist joke?", RICIN, "Bobby is too feminine!", etc. People who watch shows constantly trying to outsmart what they're watching are the equivalent of people who argue "If we evolved from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys?" 
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Oct 3, 2017 06:59
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Leathal posted:Putting this in spoilers but it's just my dumb late night speculation: Speculation isn't spoilers. They're not all evil or assholes, they're all tense because its a war and we're seeing mostly negative sides of them because our POV character is someone of ill repute. Lorca will probably turn out to fill the villain role, yeah, but so far he is just making the same tough moral decisions that every previous Trek captain faced. We know he's up to something shady, obviously, but so was Sisko during In the Pale Moonlight, or Archer when he stranded an innocent ship so his could continue to fight the Xindi. Characters keep mentioning that Starfleet is supposed to be about science and not war because the show is acknowledging that the darker tone so far is not what we expect from a Trek show. The writers are telling us that they know that, the characters know that, and its part of the story. That doesn't have to mean a time travel reset, though. With Year of Hell they hit the rest button because otherwise coming back from that level of loss and destruction was too much for a less-serialized show like Voyager to handle, even with their usual propensity for hand-waving that sort of thing. This time the point appears to be to show how Starfleet went through rough periods and survived to grow into the relatively utopian society seen in other Trek series.
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Oct 3, 2017 07:28
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Is DS9 like most trek in that it was lovely for a season or two? Cause I watched a few eps of the first season and boy was it boring. I don't mind the start but it becomes a whole different sort of show later on.
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Oct 6, 2017 02:40
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Butternubs posted:Only thing i have a problem with is that Micheal is a bit of a mary-sue, she doesn't have to be the best at everything! star trek shouldn't really even have a "main" character imo. A Mary-Sue is a character without flaws. We're told she's smart and she seems competent at some things but the first three episodes have put the focus squarely on her flaws. It's like she was raised to be a Mary-Sue but that left her emotionally retarded. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Oct 7, 2017 |
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Oct 7, 2017 04:43
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FlamingLiberal posted:Until now, it appeared like Saru did not know what they were actually doing on the ship. I've seen people saying this but when I re-watched episode 3 they discussed it all right in front of him. The only thing he was momentarily in the dark about was Burnham staying on the ship.
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Oct 9, 2017 05:32
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Superstring posted:If these spores are everywhere, the galaxy should be a 'shroom infested hellscape. I think the idea is that the spores have permeated sub-space. The tardigrade's brain (communicating with the spore network?) took the place of what they wrongly assumed was a supercomputer on the Glenn.
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Oct 9, 2017 08:50
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Powered Descent posted:One last question: What the heck does the episode's title mean? "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not For The Lamb's Cry". What exactly are the knife and the lamb here? To the meat industry livestock is a means to an end, just like the tardigrade.
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Oct 10, 2017 19:59
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The ganglia works the same was as "Spidey-Senses".
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Oct 11, 2017 21:26
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The Bloop posted:Literal danger sense like spider-man is dumber than empaths, yes. In the Trek world anyhow. That's force-level poo poo. Kes' magic powers weren't any more scientific.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:57
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Arglebargle III posted:Yeah, as long as Burnham's assumptions are right and as long as nothing goes wrong, nobody gets hurt. As anyone with even a little experience working around safety hazards can tell you, "as long as nothing goes wrong," means your plan is unsafe. A responsible person working in a lab with a dangerous specimen would never turn off the safeties. Burnham is still reckless and arrogant. She doesn't turn off the safeties while he is there.
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Oct 13, 2017 05:34
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Arglebargle III posted:Oh it looked like the force field was turned off to me. The field was only visible when it was being touched or interacted with. His species evolved to sense predators hunting them. Her point was that the tardigrade is not a predator and is not hostile by nature.
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Oct 13, 2017 05:59
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Shibawanko posted:I always hated this and was glad that DS9 mostly got rid of telepathic nonsense, as far as I remember. They had the wormhole aliens, who seemed somewhat telepathic, and their magic orbs. Tom Guycot posted:Which would be fine if the engineer hadn't specifically said he just needed a supercomputer to process the required data. He assumed the other ship was using some sort of supercomputer. They were not. The tardigrade apparently evolved in tandem with the subspace fungal web, making it uniquely suited to the job. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Oct 13, 2017 |
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I didn't get where the water bear came from originally. Did they catch that thing with a dart gun on a planet or did it just appear one day while they were playing around with the mold? It stowed away when they were harvesting spores.
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Oct 13, 2017 16:38
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Shibawanko posted:A stupid movie like Interstellar got away with basically the same concept and gets described as "hard sci fi". I didn't like the prophets but I liked some of the silliness around them, and Kai Wynn. The idea of "hard sci-fi" is always somewhat arbitrary. But my point was every Trek series has included both magic and silly science.
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Anyone have the preview for next week? One that works in Canada, please.
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Oct 16, 2017 03:32
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Drink-Mix Man posted:She's an idiot because she gave an old friend and lover the benefit of the doubt? Not to mention the final straw for her doubts about him happened after she slept with him.
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Oct 24, 2017 23:18
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Paradoxish posted:It's more hosed up that the writers don't seem to understand or acknowledge how hosed up it is. Lorca is clearly damaged and not fit for command and Admiral Cornwell is in a weird position given how and why she knows that, but that's not even like a five second plot point. How would you expect it to be acknowledged? It seemed pretty clear to me how hosed up all of it was, didn't need to be directly shown or said any more than it was.
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Oct 28, 2017 16:45
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Paradoxish posted:I mean that it's hosed up for Cornwell to be screwing with Lorca's career while being involved in a decidedly non-professional relationship with him. It's weird for your boss to fire you based on something that happened in a relationship outside of work even if she's totally justified in doing so. Even two seconds of dialogue from her or Lorca about the conflict of interest would have been something. Yeah but we already know its hosed up, we don't need exposition telling us that. And maybe it would make sense for Lorca to protest on those grounds, but he already has a more aggressive plan to make it go away.
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Oct 28, 2017 20:41
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Riptor posted:I just wish there was like one Bolian in the background somewhere on this show Supposedly this dude is from a related species: 
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Oct 29, 2017 21:16
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Powered Descent posted:Did he fall asleep on his keyboard? That's the plot of the next tie-in novel.
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Oct 29, 2017 21:52
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:The ending was just a weird bit of mood whiplash. I mean this rear end in a top hat has killed them dozens, if not hundreds of times, sometimes in incredibly brutal ways, and then... "well here's your fiancee, take your knowledge of the spore drive and leave, don't cause trouble or nothing... please?" That felt very TOS, to me.
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Oct 30, 2017 04:42
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shadok posted:Because Mudd isn’t in Starfleet, Starfleet isn’t law enforcement, and Starfleet doesn’t have prisons. The Federation has prisons. Burnham was sentenced to life in prison.
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Oct 30, 2017 05:12
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Pops Mgee posted:What was wrong with the party? It made starfleet officers feel like actual human beings for once. Would you have preferred everyone sit around while Saru performed a violin recital for the crew? What this show really needs is a Neelix.
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Oct 30, 2017 05:13
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Some people seem to be missing the implication that Stamets and Mudd both went through the loop more times than we saw on screen.
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Nov 1, 2017 05:34
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So then why are people complaining that Stamets didn't try certain obvious solutions?
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FlamingLiberal posted:This episode did add some more ammo to the 'Tyler is Voq' theory, as L'Rell doesn't really say much about what happened to him, and we have not seen him on screen since the episode before Tyler showed up. Although, if this is the case, I don't get why L'Rell would need to get to Discovery or why Tyler/Voq isn't actively trying to sabotage the ship. Considering all that went on last week, where Tyler was working to stop Mudd from selling the ship to the Klingons, it would be especially dumb for them to turn around and say that Tyler is Voq, but it feels like that's where it's heading unless it's a giant red herring somehow. If he is Voq, it kinda makes sense because Voq wouldn't really want the Klingons to win the war if its means his enemies within them get the credit and power. Voq wants to win the war and win power over the other Klingons, simultaneously.
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