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They said the actuary is a hero because she's a valedictorian who quit work to have kids and then went back and quickly became like a CFO again or something. Anyway i'll say she's my pony. Pony: Chrissy. Hopefully she plays a big game and not a generic quiet older woman game. Poison: Roark. She's gonna be smug and annoying, I hope not but I can feel it.
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Codependent Poster posted:Let's see, I can play this idol and get someone who I know for sure will have my back the rest of the way, or I can just sit back and wait to be the next one picked off. HMMMM SLICK GOKU BABY posted:What if you keep the super idol and give to someone later on without telling them its worthless?
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Sep 28, 2017 13:58
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Spergatory posted:Last night was pretty good, but for me, the bigger news is I'm about six episodes into my first watch of Survivor: Borneo and I just...
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Sep 28, 2017 14:03
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Even if she didn't want to vote Katrina I think it makes sense to let her walk. You don't want to solidify yourself as a 2 in a tribe of 3. Preseason, I was saying unless your tribe was split down the middle 3-3, the first TC idol was an invitation to overplay (or save your rear end).
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Sep 28, 2017 16:41
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Memories... https://twitter.com/melgotserved/status/913197837395120128
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I thought Ali was in a good spot when she was bonding with Simone, consulting with Lauren, and had an irl connection with Patrick. Then I see Ryan go check in with her and they're talking about what's best for the "three" of Ryan/Devon/Ali. What a spot she's in. Chrissy was my pony/winner pick so it's nice to see her doing well. She and Ben are set up well in that tribe like I figured they would be after Alan's kamikaze attack on JP/Ashley. In the healers tribe Cole probably blew it by telling Joe to dig by the well instead of just walking down to the beach with him and fruitlessly digging there, although Joe might have figured it out eventually and already was suspicious of Cole having the idol anyway. It seems like Joe and Cole apparently don't have the trust necessary for that idol to bring them together, and that Joe only approached him because he'd been in the water, and now it's driving a wedge between them when both might've otherwise been safe. That tribe is pretty hard to figure out at the moment.
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Oct 5, 2017 16:20
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AWarmBody posted:I don't think the two of them will be true allies because Chrissy is treating lower-intelligence as an ideal ally trait. Alan: too erratic JP: too dumb Ashley: smart but part of a pair with JP Ben: just right But basically she ruled out JP for being dumb, and liked that Ashley was smart and her issue there was mostly that she was attached to JP. Then when she made her little plans with Ben she told him "we can go forward with Alan or we can go forward with Ashley" making it sound like JP wasn't really someone she was looking at working with. Propaganda Machine posted:I actually didn't hate Cole's move. The alternative would be to play dumb and grab the idol himself while Joe goes into the ocean and finds ... nothing. Meanwhile, Joe knows Cole saw the clue and would be naturally suspicious, especially if Cole is a bad liar. Joe clearly likes stirring poo poo up and causing chaos, so a stunt like that could have backfired on Cole big time. For now, he's tentatively okay; he just needs to keep Joe from getting spooked.
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Oct 6, 2017 15:33
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They used the working mom angle, but I think they pretty much always make up the gimmick after casting the season. They didn't like SJDS and they blamed it on trying to cast to fit the blood vs. water theme, and said in the future they'd focus on casting first and theme second. So I don't know for sure but I assume if they were coming up with a theme from a completely blank slate, they would have never landed on something with "Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers."
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Oct 7, 2017 14:55
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Simone didn't gel with the tribe well but on top of that admittedly couldn't contribute to challenges. Patrick was enough of a goober I do think there may have been some real debate before she went home. The interesting thing will be if they lose again if they still keep Patrick over Lauren. I think perhaps he's used up his extra life and they'll cut bait next time if he's still being a dodo.
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Oct 8, 2017 03:31
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JP seems like pretty lovely casting. Guy can barely even verbalize thoughts.
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Oct 10, 2017 15:34
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AWarmBody posted:Emotionally flip out, yeah, but he seemed pretty loyal at his core. Loyal to a fault, perhaps, based on his closing confessional and how hard he took the betrayal of trust
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Oct 12, 2017 13:12
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I don't really know what to make of it. It could be nothing but a few odd word choices. It could be some loser misogynist thing. I have no idea so I'm curious to see him interact with other players and see how it goes.
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Oct 18, 2017 16:36
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Codependent Poster posted:I don't like that Joe is there but I like that Desi got spared. her tribe was already preparing to bring the ax down on him. She can save herself without really burning any bridges, and who wants that guy as an ally for long anyway? There'll be a reshuffle or something soon anyway, they're not gonna have them compete as a three-person tribe STAC Goat posted:Yeah, that worked out well for Ryan. He's got Ali and Chrissy seemed to fully buy into his spiel. Which I think is kind of gullible of Chrissy but good for Ryan.
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Oct 19, 2017 16:50
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STAC Goat posted:There were 2 to 3 people in that tribe swap I legit didn't recognize. I'm still not entirely convinced this Roarke lady didn't just show up. bbf2 posted:After four episodes it seems like Cole and Jessica have had the most screentime, exposure and storyline development in total out of everyone on this season....and that's kind of crazy considering they're two of the four people who haven't actually been to tribal council this season (along with Dr. Mike and Roarke). Could mean anything, but worth keeping an eye on. Other than Tom and Ian from s10 I can't think of another pair who has so clearly been the focus of the first four episodes without going to TC.
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Oct 19, 2017 16:58
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Ryan is a bitch. Never once even mentioning to Ali that he wanted to keep Chrissy, just nodding along with everything Ali said and not having the temerity to voice his own thoughts, and then stabbing her in the back. Get a backbone and speak up. She's your ally. Now that he's betrayed her he may need to vote her out, which makes keeping Chrissy more costly than it needed to be. If he has Chrissy and JP voting with him, that's a majority, and Ali has no choice but to go with them. So just talk it out with her, see what she has to say, and if you insist on going the other way, sure she may resent you forcing your choice onto her, but it's a drat sight better than stabbing her in the back like a cowardly rat. xbilkis posted:I am cool with Mike having an idol, but maybe they shouldn't keep the idols in the same place on different beaches post-swap xbilkis posted:Seems like one of Chrissy's tribemates should have been more forceful about making her step down, especially after the second time she messed up. She was asking if anyone else wanted to go! Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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Oct 26, 2017 14:57
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You're both wrong, he's getting the "Holy poo poo, this is great material, can't wait to put this on the TV" edit Like they cast an ex-marine and bamboo explodes like gunshots and he has a PTSD episode, you think they're ever not gonna package that with some nice music, all set to make Americans get a little of that bittersweet Thank You For Your Service feel?
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Oct 30, 2017 21:55
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Propaganda Machine posted:On a strategic level Chrissy played that perfectly, but her methods were dubious at best. Her fake strategy chat with Roark was terrible and transparent. The lie she crafted was decent enough to cause concern and warrant Roark's boot, but she's going to get burned hard if she tries pulling that crap again. She's not nearly as good as she thinks she is. STAC Goat posted:Plus if her tribe does go to rocks she's probably got a 50/50 shot of getting screwed. Which is probably better than her chances of Joe not just saying "gently caress Desi, I'm not drawing rocks" and voting her out. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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Oct 31, 2017 14:14
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The Bloop posted:Same but also lol @ "oh it's 4 feet away and I was looking 5 feet away" blue squares posted:once again: gently caress the editors for not showing poo poo about why that decision was made All the confessionals where they talked about JP having to go I was thinking to myself how dumb they were, so it makes sense it wasn't actually happening. I did catch Ryan throwing in a "maybe" or a "perhaps" or something before his "JP has got to go." He may have just been giving those confessionals because production asked him "what are the reasons to vote JP out here" and he's very obliging, winning himself extra airtime in the process. This does transfer power away from Ryan and toward Chrissy, but that was already happening after he burned Ali like a dumbass. I feel doubly bad for Ali because it was Ryan's own wrongheaded weaselbrains that turned her into a mess he needed to clean up, but them's the breaks I guess. She could have handled that way better back at camp after the vote, even though she was totally in the right.
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Nov 2, 2017 16:16
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If Ryan still liked Ali and if talking to JP is similar enough to talking to a slab of granite, I can see it being pretty tempting to keep Ali even if it's more dangerous. As viewers that brick wall quality makes JP look completely harmless, but as players, not getting anything back from a guy when you broach game talk also might make it hard to put too much faith in him. So I believe it might have been a difficult decision but in the end Chrissy probably made the call to keep JP. When you see a scene like Ryan telling Chrissy to go talk to Ali, I think you can sort of interpret that as him trying to give Ali a shot to win Chrissy over? Just guessing though
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Nov 2, 2017 17:04
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I'm thinking the full Heroes/Hustlers alliance is almost a lock. Ryan's preswap bestie was Devon. Devon is now very tight with Ashley, who was also on original tribes with Chrissy. Chrissy's preswap bestie was Ben. Ben now seems somewhat close with Lauren, who was also on original tribes with Ryan. Ashley was showmancing with JP, and Chrissy now has JP firmly in tow. Those people are all interconnected with each other, and not really with anyone else. (Except maybe Mike was coming in with Ben and Lauren preswap.) Anyway, it's 7-5 at least. The fun part is that the 5 has both idols that are in the game right now.
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Nov 3, 2017 15:50
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Yep, Jessica. As far as the vote goes (might as well just scheme out the whole episode at this point) I think they may want to take out Joe as Ashley will be gushing about how dangerous he is, but if they're smart they'll have idol concerns. Ben should go to bat for Mike so he could be safe. They could do a kind of random Desi vote to try to miss the idols, and they could still do Joe, but I think they probably go for Cole. Could be a little interesting as Jessica knows Mike has the idol and might want him to use it, but knocking a 7-5 edge down to 6-5 doesn't quite flip the game, although it comes close... Anyway, if they do play an idol correctly, they might just go for a typical merge target like Devon or Ben (they'll probably look past JP).
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Nov 3, 2017 15:56
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JP sucks big time. That's not judgment on how far he could go, it could be pretty far, but Jeff is getting pissed at him in Tribals because of how much of a dud he is. We also know he said nothing at all in the Katrina tribal, while Alan was going off like crazy on him. All he ever does is sit there. I think his winner equity is zero. I think he's a big casting misfire.
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Nov 6, 2017 20:56
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It's not just about if the cast thinks a certain way, it's also about if JP deserves the benefit of the doubt. He really could just be a basically non-verbal idiot.STAC Goat posted:Yeah, Ken was just an "old school" survivor who had a cast of "new school" players who were all gameboty. Ken didn't think that way and didn't adapt so he couldn't win their respect. He didn't really seem to do anything actively wrong
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Nov 6, 2017 23:09
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Yeah, Candice was blatantly a villain her first season and they could have easily just swapped her with someone like Danielle who was in the villains tribe for no reason. But I guess since she's a pretty blonde doctor she was a hero?
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Nov 7, 2017 18:32
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Brad over Tai isn't too clear, so I don't think even it can be included on this list. Sand Monster already said it but I think Colby taking Tina over Keith is the classic version of this blunder
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Nov 8, 2017 18:28
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If Lauren was truly in with the Healers, and Ben was still conflicted, convincing Ben the idol could be played for Cole or Joe himself and who knows which could spook Ben into voting Chrissy. But turns out Ben had already flipped with Lauren and they all had a plan C ready to go. I wonder if they had to call that play in Tribal or if they were all already switched to Jess coming in. I liked Jess, cute 30yo virgin lady is a new archetype, but I don't think we need to see her again, not that it'd be the worst returnee casting or anything. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 03:04
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Vernacular brings up a good point about whether Ben made the right choice, with he and Lauren having the power to put either side over the top. The Healers do have some potential cracks, although I think Mike and Jessica might have been more of a pair than Jessica and Cole based on exit interviews and so on, and if that's true, the fracture isn't quite that bad... and the best move might have been for Ben and Lauren to eventually join Desi and Joe to take out the other three, but Desi and Joe weren't the people they had bonds with and Joe immediately was mad Ben was even brought in. I think with going the way they did, they do (Ben in particular) have some useful strategy shields in Ryan and Chrissy, who might sort of Zeke their way out of the running, and who also if they do get to the end are likely beatable, Chrissy especially since she's either cold to people she doesn't plan to use, or butters them up with way too much personal stuff right before slitting their throats. and even though I'm talking all about how Chrissy is probably going to lose and rubs people wrong, I do think she was very good casting. A mother who plays a hard-nose strategic game is pretty good, I guess Mama C fits that role but Chrissy seems to be much more of a mastermind and executioner than Mama C was.
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Nov 10, 2017 17:29
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What the gently caress what the gently caress. Not mind safe
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Nov 16, 2017 02:31
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Joe trolling Ben about swearing on the Marines owns so hard, and viewers are going to be so mad about it.
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Nov 16, 2017 02:46
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STAC Goat posted:Eh, Joe seems really ineffective. I keep saying this so maybe I'm just a hater but aside from working up Ben for what he admits is a sensitive subject for him he really hasn't manipulated anyone or done much in the game. The way Ashley and Chrissy were talking about him in Tribal and even Desi make it seem like he's more of a nuisance than a game threat. Desi's smart, great at the comps, and seemingly doesn't piss everyone off. So she's a bigger game threat. Joe's just better TV. UltimoDragonQuest posted:Fading into the background can make you a threat. Joe will flame out and isn't really a chaos threat other than idol hunting. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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Nov 16, 2017 17:38
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blue squares posted:I really don't understand what happened. Joe, Cole, Mike, and Desi voting Ben would have been 4 votes Ben and he would have been eliminated. Ben came to Mike and told him straight up that would happen. I figure Mike probably knew where the votes were going since he was brought in on it by Lauren and Ben. So they could have idoled out Ben and then tried to bring Lauren in, but that would still only make it 5-5. Instead he still has the idol and is bridging the gap between groups and staying safe. Probably for the best.
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Nov 16, 2017 17:59
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Spergatory posted:Persecution is systematic discrimination. It is not the mean things that little kids say to each other at recess. If you honest-to-God think that something as silly as "redheads are liars" counts as actual discrimination, then I don't know what to say to you. You're pretty much beyond help and I wish you luck in life. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 14:52
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I mean i don't give a gently caress about like anti-redhead bigotry because that's mostly a joke, obviously. But it's also clear that Lauren herself, personally, is prejudiced against them for some absurd reason. To me that was a funny thing because it's so ridiculous, but it was still a bad look for her.
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Nov 17, 2017 18:57
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Seems like the first juror really doesn't like Chrissy.quote:SK: You mentioned that Chrissy had no interest in working with you. What is your take on Chrissy? a few other excerpts quote:SK: What did she do to cross the line with you? quote:SK: So there's no future friendship between you and Chrissy once this is all done?
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Nov 17, 2017 23:16
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I think that kind of lie is needlessly intense and personal, and hurts people more emotionally than game-based lies, so it's arguably poor play. But Tony did it and won, and Sarah copied him and won too, although they both got some angry questions about it at FTC. Anyway though it's funny that one of the more attractive women on the cast is bitter about Chrissy's smile and big boobs(?) and how she controls the men with her irresistible allure. Chrissy is in the back half of her 40s and Desi is a pageant queen, I think Desi just got outplayed??? Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Nov 17, 2017 23:31
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Voting out Roark and Ali was kind of the situation she was put in though in that tribe. Voting out Jessica, maybe she guided it that way, but Joe had an idol and Cole was a known target (potential idol play) and Desi had immunity, so there weren't a lot of options. Doesn't really seem fair to look to draw conclusions based on those vote outs, although it is somewhat fair to note that multiple booted women have expressed that Chrissy doesn't like strong women.
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Nov 18, 2017 01:00
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Teek posted:It made no drat sense, but seeing how the votes went, had he played the idol on Cole and if he and Joe had voted for Ben, Ben would have went home.
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Nov 24, 2017 15:07
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When there's 3 outsiders I just can't wrap my head around an intentional 5-2 split.STAC Goat posted:
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Nov 24, 2017 16:15
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Apparently Mike pulled out his idol before the vote and also gave Joe a fake idol. https://twitter.com/MeddersCole/status/935299204196519936 The editors didn't want us to see this fun stuff for some reason??
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STAC Goat posted:I can only imagine that if a fake idol was pulled out and they didn't show it on air it means no one bought in and it just was trated like a waste of time. But I don't know. That's weird but it doesn't really make Mike's play or anything make more sense as far as I can figure.
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