Third World Reggin posted:

https://1d4chan.org if you think that warhammer lore is hamfisted and bad
https://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com if you think that 1d4chan is hamfisted and bad
http://whfb.lexicanum.com if you have to get a face chart to see what kind of emotions someone in front of you is displaying

JBP posted:

Jesus Christ empire is a cluster gently caress without end. I finally got through Mannfred and prepared to push his capitals but suddenly four dwarf stack swarmed up from the pass bit and started capturing everything. Thanks very much you 4ft vultures.

Kanos posted:

Tyrion expands aggressively and turns into a colossus because he starts at war with like half of Ulthuan so his default approach is to conquer the entire island instead of sitting around in his own little playpen like the majority of AI factions.

JBP posted:

(after his rear was eaten by dwarves and tyrion crushed him under endless triple-stacks)
Empire is and always will be hard mode. I'm sorry I failed you, my brave men

Blinks77 posted:

(on fixing influence/money problems with the high elves)

Nobles.

Even better, nobles with Emollient.
+1 public order all provinces
+5 local province
+5% income entertainment buildings in all provinces.

I just sit 10 of them around various enemy settlements spamming "secure influence"

It's about 60 of it a turn which pretty much fixed all my influence problems.

Mages get Entrepreneur
+3% Tax rate (factionwide)
+30% income from all buildings (local province)

Got 9 of those sitting in Tiranoc at the moment.
23k income from that single province.

Thus are the High Elven influence and Economy problems sorted out.

Loremasters are what go around with my armies. Loremasters with Medic can do a good job of making up for all your nobles being busy elsewhere.

high elf roster from the custom battles screen posted:

Lords
Tyrion has the best natural combat skills of any unit in the game. he also gets 2 items, one which gives him a bunch of extra hp if you get him down under 10%, and his sword which gives some combat bonuses and a breath attack in case he needs to get himself out of somewhere.

Teclis is the worst melee character in the game (seriously he has worse combat stats than the wizards) but makes up for it with serious magic bonuses and a load of spells and abilities. he also gets to use his sword if someone tries to engage him, which gives him actual melee strength like popeye eating spinach for about 45 seconds.

There's also a secret white lion hero some make-a-wish kid got added into the game that you can recruit in the campaign

martial prowess
all elf units receive a passive skill called martial prowess/mastery. These abilities give significant melee defence bonuses (mastery adds a much bigger attack bonus too) to all units while their unit hp is above 50%. basically if you can keep the units at high enough health (some elf units get healing spells from eg lore of high magic) they should throw off whatever comes their way. this also means artillery can be a problem by softening up units from outside bow range.


speramanii
following tt in having the best spearwall in the game. They're also quite cheap

white lions of chrace
the awesome looking axemen with lion pelts. These guys do serious AP damage and have a big missile resistance equivalent to bronze shields to tank archer fire with.

swordmasters of hoeth

<someone doesn't like hotlinking, well phooey>
combine with healing spells for the best results

Randarkman posted:

Jesus, swordmasters are just completely bonkers versus infantry.



they also get a little shield too (only 20% but that's better than nothing).

pheonix guard
similar tier to the swordmasters, but they get halberds so rip and tear big units.

these units are one of the few to get martial mastery, which gives them an attack boost as well as defence.

archers
you'll usually just get loads of these and recreate the rain of death scene from hero

archers/light armour
not the highest dps units in the game (that stays with quarrellers) the elves make up with a significant range advantage. The lower-tier archers come in two flavours - cotton-tshirts and tier-1 infantry armour. Even these units benefit from martial prowess, which gives them swordsmen-like survivability in combat, though they won't be killing much.

Lothern seaguard/shields
it's an archer! it's a spearman! it's both! they're expensive but you get a very good archer with the same melee stats as an elf spearman, and the shielded versions get silver shields as well as all the rest giving them pants-on-head-retarded survivability against ranged fire.

paraphrased from a few pages into this thread posted:

[Lothern Sea Guard] are just a big gently caress You to all normal archer counters in this game (your own archers or cavalry)

cavalry

ellyrian reavers
if pistoleers dropped their guns and had a proper melee weapon and not that pansy hipster cane sword they smack people with. vanguard deployment, ok melee abilty, average low-tier armour but the mass and speed to clean up units is what you're looking for when you buy these

silver helms/shields
slightly less armoured than empire knights, but significantly faster (78 on heavy cav ), excluding martial prowess most other stats are the same. charge in, spend 5 seconds looking over the rest of your army then pull out again. the shielded versions come with a 30% shield and 8 extra defence so it's not an insignificant upgrade.

ithilmar chariot
it's an armoured chariot, it does chariot things. drive them around like you're driving a car, and the infantry are floodwaters - if it's going to stop your car, don't go in.

this unit does NOT have martial prowess

dragon princes
in the lore these guys used to all get dragons, but most of those have diedgone to sleep so they're on cavalry instead.

these guys have heavy cav hp but a 25% physical resist (and a 70% fire resist like they're irondrakes) so they'll last in non-magical combat like their more monstrous cav counterparts.

these units get martial mastery like the pheonix guard, giving them a big attack boost to go with the defence.

archer cav

ellyrian reavers with bows
that Piece Of poo poo loving stinkyhole Cav Archer Bullshit is back. Fortunately these are badly armoured and don't have any fatigue resistance, like the low tier cav archers in all the old games. Unfortunately that still makes them a right pita to deal with

tiranoc chariot
badly-armoured chariots with bows. surprisingly good dps due to triple-shot attack, so only send these in after using all your arrows first.

this unit does NOT have martial prowess

artillery

scorpions eagle claw bolt thrower

the ammo is more or less like this.

High Elves only get the one piece of arty, a bolt thrower that can either fire its ammo all bundled up like the fasces above for big targets, or with the bundle straps off so it fires a spread shot of 16 smaller projectiles to clean up blobs.

monsters

great eagle
Causes fear, same poo poo as the wood elf one from game 1 - cheap for a monster, flies fast, but unarmoured and suffers from the eagle problem of being shot out of the sky by the archers it's supposed to be killing. ditch it as soon as you can get something else to peck at catapults and cannons.

pheonixes

Scroobius Pip posted:

Thou shalt spell the word pheonix p-h-e-o-n-i-x, NOT p-h-o-e-n-i-x regardless of what the oxford english dictionary tells you

Pheonixes come in two types - the faster, firey, high damage flamespyre pheonix that can regenerate and drop flame bombs on people, and the older, colder, slower but much tougher frostheart pheonix that's better in melee.

Pheonixes cause fear, terror and if you have more than 15 mana in the big circle they get a 12% ward save and magic attacks to live a little longer.

Dwagons

Someone who thinks they're playing Total War: Westeros posted:

Dracarys lolololol wait why is my dragon dying NOOOOOO

Dragons come in 3 types - Sun, Moon and Star dragons, in ascending order of age. Like Pheonixes, the oldest ones are the toughest. Unlike the Pheonixes, they're also much more powerful.

Dragons suffer from the monster problem of being artillery/gunpowder bait, but are largely immune from lesser fire with a 25% missile resistance and reasonable armour.

They also get an evil breath attack that gets more devastating with the older dragons, the stock game only lets you use this a few times before they're out of burps but fellow goon Gejnor made a mod to fix that http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfil.../?id=1158815814

MonsterEnvy posted:

When ever I have Malakith fight he gets a minimum of 300 kills he is a hilarious poo poo wrecker.

partial unit/tips list for skaven based on campaign play posted:

Units:
skavenslave whatever
they are there to collect arrows/shot/javelins with their heads, they are so awful they're even worse in combat than the zombies because those fuckers at least don't break. they can catch missiles from close range as melee units, or a slinger variety if you want to catch arrows from afar and make enemy skirmisher units use up their ammo faster.

Notably, they cost about 18 gold/turn in upkeep. It's quite viable to have multiple stacks just of these expendable fuckers in support of your real army when on campaign. The slingers are also this cheap, which even though their dps is awful it makes them some of the most economical ranged firepower in the game, like how gobbo archers were in TT.

clanrats/spears/shields
use skavenslaves like you would zombies. use these guys like you would skellymans. These actually start with an upkeep of about 80-100 gold so they're not quite* as expendable, and they'll be frustratingly difficult to kill for enemy armies. Also important is that grey seers and the fuckers-from-below ability get to summon the default unshielded versions of these guys for basically nothing, the magic summon only costs 3 winds goddamn.

stormvermin sword'n'board/halberd
those black-furred fuckers from vermintide are back, and are able to put up an actual fight against enemy line infantry, or just units that get a little too good at chopping up your slaves. Use them in a similar manner to grave guard, if grave guard had halberds.

death runners
recruited from the same building as the gutter runners (see below), these guys run slightly slower than heavy cavalry, have a reasonable AP attack and a crippling anti-armour debuff (50%!) on their attacks. extremely useful for stabbing annoying enemy line units in the back to soften them up for your slaves.

night/gutter runners
both of these guys throw rat-shuriken at people. they do actual ranged damage but have about the same range as an irondrake ie they'll need to be close to their targets. they also enjoy a 30% physical ward save so they'll eat up a stupid amount of hp damage like a giant, and have a little bit better combat skill than a clanrat. They also can fire in all directions like a cav archer, and get vanguard deployment to ambush arty with. gutter runners have all this, but slightly better combat skills, stalk, and a net ability that slows down enemy units real nearby to clean them up or get space on them with. tier 4 lets you have gutter runners with poison attacks for even more shenanigans.

they also have slinger versions with a more reasonable range but who the hell wants those things they don't do any damage.

plague monks
big step up from clanrats in a lot of small ways. they have a not-insignificant physical save, frenzy, strength in numbers bonuses and a bonus to infantry, they'll chop up infantry like dwarf slayers used wrong, but they aren't slayers, so don't send them in against big beasties if you can avoid it.

plague monk censor bearers
like the plague monks but much better at clobbering people. they also get magic attacks (because they're swinging warpstone weapons at people now) and a morale debuff.

poison globadiers
they throw acid at people. You'd think they'd be great at gassing crowds of fools but they have no splash and are instead designed as an anti-large killteam, throwing the globes down the mouths of hungry carnosaurs and the like. Seriously if most of the globes connect you're looking at almost 2k almost all AP damage per volley.

warpfire throwers
irondrakes with lovely armour. park them near a fight, watch the green flames go out and laugh at how fast enemy units melt

death globe bombardiers
these are the ones you want to clean up infantry mosh-pits, you'll need the DOOMWHEEL building to unlock them though. not that that's a bad thing.

plagueclaw catapult
catapult that launches poison attacks against fools downrange. has an arc attack so you don't have to kill too many of your own dudes. This is where you start to get into the idea of skaven as legions of meat shields that distract from scary siege equipment and weapon teams. their attacks also give the contaminated debuff (-10 morale) which stacks with the normal we're-getting-shot-by-arty penalties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNVEYO4BNKQ#t=23s

warp lightning cannons
luminarks of hysh but good. If they had said Saddam Hussein was building these WMDs the whole planet would have invaded nuked Iraq.

DOOMWHEELS

Mans posted:

I'm the giant wheel that breaks all of da rules

rat ogres'
Monsters that move at cavalry speed but smack units around like no one's business. Used like vargheists that can't fly crypt horrors, run down and smack up ranged units but no armour means keep them the hell away from spears, they'll negate most of the damage knocking units around but still take a lot more damage than they need to.

hell pit abomination
Evil loving monster that is Too Horrible To Die. Also known for slam-dunking dragon heads into the ground. When this unit is about to die, it has a 50% chance to heal up most of its hp again to troll people. That or it actually does die and the numerous skaven keeping the organs running inside all bail out.

Gejnor posted:

SirPhoebos posted:

courtesy of 1d4chan posted:

A miniature named Settra found a secret out this year,
that he could avoid death and make his people rule the world,
and now some sorcerer named Nagash tries to get him day and night,
but Settra has four thousand points to protect his very life.

He has the Tomb Kings: from 1525 B.C.
He has the Tomb Kings: protection on a roll of 3!
He has the Tomb Kings: they're hanging out by the Black Gulf.
He has the Tomb Kings: Araby they will soon Engulf.
He has the Tomb Kings: from 1525 B.C.

He has the Tomb Kings: protection on a Roll of 3.
He has the Tomb Kings: they're hanging by the Badland's Gate.
He has the Tomb Kings: they will enslave the world today,
the Nehekharan way.
They're Tooooooomb Kiiiiiings Alive!

unit references posted:

somewhat similar to the skaven and vampires, the tomb kings rely on a legion of lovely fodder units backed up with serious magic buffs to pin stuff down forever while scary fuckhueg beasties kill everything for you.


Skeleton Warriors/spearmen
silver shields, but godawful combat stats otherwise, like "goblin spearmen that aren't upgraded" bad. Their main use is tanking arrows and surviving long enough for the rest of your army to kill poo poo.

nekehara warriors
dual-wielding skellymans that have some reasonable melee stats (around empire swordsman level). Much like swordsmen with honest steel, they can get quite significant boosts from lords and buffs to be quite killy.

tomb guard/halberds
used like medium armoured grave guard, they will put up a much bigger fight than the skellymans and since you're not paying for upkeep this is a good thing. Halberd versions bring some actual AP to your army.

ranged

skelly archers
they're awful at shooting, but they're a ranged unit and that can be useful sometimes. Khalida players also give them serious buffs so they're worth keeping around.


cavalry

skelly cav
a bit like the high-elf light cav, awful stats but they're reasonably fast (not light cav fast but enough to outrun the heavy stuff) and can do basic cav stuff as a result.
these are melee cavalry, not shock cav. throw them in and check back on them after a while, their charge bonus isn't as much a priority for micro as with shock cav.

nekehara horsemen
these cav have some actual meat on the bones and are a general upgrade to the skelly cav you get earlier. better melee stats, moderate armour like the tomb guard.
like the skelly cav before them, these are melee cav and are a lower micro priority than normal.

skelly chariots
it wouldn't be Egypt Nehekhara without chariots, and while the stats are middling, they come in blocks of TWELVE instead of the usual 4 that you see SURTHA EK rolling around with.
This helps immensely with smashing enemy lines, and lets you cause the bullshit chaos that the norscans do without having to make them most of your army.

skelly cav archers
awful bow damage like the foot-based ones. However, they get vanguard deployment, fire-on-the-move and can move faster from the skelly horses they're on.
these units do NOT get parthian shot,

skelly chariot archers
these guys get a much better ranged attack to make up for the lower unit sizes. otherwise, they're only shooting between smashing into the next unit.


flyers

carrion vultures
they fly around and have respectable melee damage. like harpies and isabella bats, use them to clean up unsuspecting arty and archer units and nibble on people's achilles tendons.


constructs and other big monsters
though these guys are made of stone and not bone, they follow the normal undead rules of disintegrating instead of breaking.
they do NOT benefit from realm of souls however, and generally if you're taking these you'll be taking a necrotect hero for buffs.

ushabti
these are the dudes you saw in the pyramid in the trailer. while they're pretty tough, they're no chaos spawn and only have mediocre melee stats, similar to crypt horrors.

ushabti with great bows
the normal dudes but they now have a big fuckin' bow to shoot people. huge range and great damage, they are great at removing a few chunks of hp from unsuspecting monsters and dragons

sephulcural stalkers (the big cobra-men with spears)
big anti-large units, they also come with vanguard deployment, and a magical javelin or three that also applies poison to people.

necropolis knights (big cobras with spearmen on them/big cobras with halberiers on them)
AP, bronze shields, poison attacks, good charge bonuses, these are fairly good for smashing units held down by all your skellymans
the halberd version now does even moar anti-large, though they hand in the shields

tomb scorpion
a Big Fuckin' Scorpion that has vanguard deployment, great AP, bonus vs infantry and causes terror. It also has an attack that smashes units BEHIND it with its tail, and a burrow attack that makes it invulnerable while it's under the sand.

khemrian warsphinx
a huge black battle-cat with archers on it. No need to flank, it will smash everything on its own

heirotitan
like a giant that has a laser eye attack and a fuckton of armour so you can't murder it with xbows. Its melee attacks also do magic/fire damage.

necrosphinx
a giant black battle-cat with Egypt Nehekara-wings and giant blade-arms on it. Tough as nails, it runs at cavalry speeds and does huge amounts of AP. This is the real wrecking ball that cleans up unwanted blocks of anything.
it is also fat enough that it can smash fort doors on its own.

skelly arty

screaming skull catapult
skeleton catapults that throw giant blue screaming skulls at people. Like the warpstone-thrower, these cause an extra morale debuff on top of the normal we're-being-shot-by-arty stuff, so they're good for routing units.
the skulls also do magic damage as well.

Ark of the Covenant Casket of Souls
inaccurate shots but they do horrendous damage with magic attacks. Lords/heroes can boost this to horriffic levels.



regiments of renown

scorpion legion (skelly spears)
the main difference is that these guys come with a poison attack, which is very useful in their role of tying things down

khepra guard (tomb guard)
basically a tomb guard version of nekehara warriors, they traded in the shield for another sword, regeneration and also come with magic attacks for cleaning up wraiths and savage orcs.

blessed legion of fuckoff (skelly archers)
all round stat boosts, but their main use (more than the name) is they come with a sunder armour (-30) on their arrows. This doesn't come with their melee attacks, which means they need to keep an arrow and stab people with that instead of their normal weapon.

chosen of the gods (ushabti with bows)
their monster arrows aren't as good, but they come with a shield-breaker trait to soften up units for other archers. Still useful, but for people doing the MP tournament I'm not sure the other guy's going to sit around and let you shoot them

eyes of the desert (big cobra-men with spears)
these come with meaner ranged attack, and more importantly they have vanguard AND stalk to do some sneaky surprise murdering of enemy units

sphinx of usekpth (necrosphinx)
meaner and greener whiter than its normal buddy, it also does magic/fire damage as well as fire resist.

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

How have I played this game since release and not noticed the icon to the left of the units numbers show if a unit is large or small

quote:

Alright, I have seen a few threads poping up about how some auto-result calculations are completely bonkers or make no sense.

In this thread I'm going to try and explain how and why this happens.

First of all the first thing to understand is that Auto-resolve is a pure number game, the calculation does not take into account any strategy, counters or whatever so don't try to rationalize a completely crazy score by saying "oh yeah but if he uses that cavalry to trigger a mass rout it could work".
This level of calculation is far beyond what was programmed.

Here is how it works :
Missile damage and Ammunition is by far the stats that have the most impact on auto-resolve.

Basically the game always considers that ranged troops and artillery will fire ALL their ammunition. That's why artillery with high missile damage is so powerful on auto-resolve.

This is why the most powerfull unit in Auto-Resolve calculations is the Hellbaster gun.

If you want to play an easy-mode campaign just pick Balthazar Gelt and auto-resolve your way to complete domination while your starting Hellblaster racks up thousands of kills per battle.

Another thing to note is how ranged and melee units work, let me explain.
ranged unit are considered as never engaging the enemy in melee until all allied melee units are dead. that's why right now if you have a high elf army mostly made up of Sea Guards your melee focused units like white lions or swordmasters will get slaughtered in Auto-resolve, they're considered as tanking the entire enemy army for your Sea Guards who are calculated as ranged units.

That's also why a pure Sea Guard army takes so much damage if there is nothing to tank.

Now healthpoints + Charge bonus is also a close second for most powerful stats combo (that's why Kroxigors are absolute beasts in auto-resolve) but unlike artillery the charge+health combo is for melee units and as I explained they risk losing HP as they take damage during the Auto-Resolve.

Given what I just said you'd be right in thinking that missile cavalry is very powerful in Auto-Resolve but due to their low health they'll get slaughtered in the action (while taking hundreds of enemy casualties with them)

Hope this helped

Panfilo posted:

Just a few things to clarify for people that seem to be confused (because these questions come up a lot in the thread)

Autoresolve favors artillery and ranged, and tends to prioritize damage toward cheaper units over expensive ones. They've tweaked the algorithm (it used to be notorious for killing off expensive monsters). The level of Lords and heroes is also factored, but I don't think it cares what you actually put those skill points into, so an AI lord with a garbage selection of skills will still fare decently in autoresolve as a result. As mentioned previously, ammo is also factored, which is important for races like Dwarves and Empire who get their own individual upgrades for ammo. Skaven in WH2 get big boosts to ammo for some of their missile units which also probably significantly improves autoresolve. And just so you know, increasing stacks of Menace Below also improves your chances of victory, albeit slightly.

Margin of Victory or Loss is not at all determined by casualties as people would assume, but the ratio of damage dealt and damage received. There are also other minimum requirements as well; having a full stack of elite vs 1 lord with 1 HP will not give you a Heroic Victory because you only did 1 damage to him, even if the ratio of damage to HP was enormous. This helps balance different armies; smaller armies are not unfairly benefitting from the fact that they will receive comparatively less casualties even in decisive losses. I don't know the exact thresholds for getting Pyrrhic/Close/Decisive/Heroic victories, but I have noted the easiest way to get Heroic victories is to defend in a siege and/or use damage spells effectively. With magic being buffed I find it somewhat easier to get them now. Margin of Victory determines how much experience your Lord and Heroes receive at the end of the battle; while damage dealt determines exp/veterancy of regular units, Lords/Heroes only care about the degree you won; a Lord could theoretically get 1,000 kills on his own but if he gets a Pyrrhic victory then he'll receive less exp than a Lord that got 0 kills but won a Heroic victory.

the OP speaking posted:

Armour will block normal damage to a random percentage between 50-100% of the rated armour value (this will be affected by exhaustion). The total number is clamped to 100% so you can't heal off taking damage
for example, an empire swordsman with 40 armour will block between 20 and 40 percent of all non-AP damage that it didn't dodge.
while resistance is clamped to 100%, increasing your armour rating beyond that improves the chance of blocking all AP damage. For example, an empire knight (100 armour) will have a 2% chance of blocking all the non-AP damage, a reiksguard with 120 armour will have a 33% chance to only take AP damage from a given attack. This also ties in with attack bonuses as detailed below.

charge and damage bonuses are only applied in proportion to the existing unit's damage.
A spearman with poor AP damage will perform poorly against an arachnarok with its 150 armour, but will rip up a giant good with its awful 30 armour because they can make use of most of their damage bonus.

""RBA-Wintrow posted:

Count Chocula Legendairy Lord confirmed!

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

RBA-Wintrow" post="477568719 posted:

I’m applying for dual citizenship with the Orangutan Surfing Civilization

Tiler Kiwi posted:

Ze Pollack posted:

rats, who are against the concept on moral grounds

420 Gank Mid posted:

We got a real spawn goin' now welcome to the Great Plan

Kainser posted:

Possibly the greatest mod since the deformed kislev bears:

SurreptitiousMuffin posted:

10x unit sizes, huh? Let's try it out.



Wait a minute, what's that?



Zoom!



ENHANCE

Korgan posted:

SteelMentor posted:

My vote's for Ludmilla Loinripper.

SirPhoebos posted:

Hats. We're hats. We're the hats.

Randarkman posted:

Did Sarthorael always have that insane missile resistance?

Because I remember him going down like a chump to a succession of cannonballs.

Davincie posted:

high elf supremacy

Ze Pollack posted:

if you want to imagine the future, imagine a triceratops stomping on an elven face, forever

Davincie posted:

high elf supremacy

Ze Pollack posted:

if you want to imagine the future, imagine a triceratops stomping on an elven face, forever

ChickenWing posted:

ground floooooooooooooooooooooooooor

Holy poo poo I want to stab a rat

Vlex posted:

Elves murdering elves is good and therefore dark elves will be my first playthrough

Taintrunner posted:

What's the human faction or do I just have to play on the big fuckin' map with all the factions

ChickenWing posted:

New skaven ritual video

ChickenWing posted:

New skaven ritual video

William Bear posted:

Still can't decide who I want to play as first. Leaning either Tyrion or Skrolk.

Gonkish posted:

How to figure out if you're the best Warhammer race:

- Are you an elf? You're not the best and also kill yourself.

- Are you a frog person who leads dinosaurs that ride dinosaurs? Ok that's pretty good.

- Are you a loving insane, magic cocaine sniffing ratman that uses crazy contraptions and deliberate friendly fire to achieve your goals? Congrats, you're the best race.

All of this is, of course, only applicable until Chorfs are in the game, because they have the best hats.

Blinks77 posted:

I'm kinda leaning more and more towards Making Ulthuan Great Again.

Ze Pollack posted:

Tyrion is gonna have the problems of the WH1-release Empire start: please enjoy fighting nothing but your own people's tier one infantry for the first 4/5 of the game, then throw a doomstack at the target of opportunity of your choice.

guarantees that anyone playing against the High Elves is gonna have a hard time shutting them down, but playing as that person is going to get real old real fast.

you wanna High Elf, play Teclis, and make war against a delicious assortment of jerks.