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Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

It is not even a good factor when there are enough units.

There are enough units.

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Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers


Psycho Landlord posted:

gently caress it I'm starting another Repanse game

I started a Morgiana game last night and holy hell she is nutso

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?




Comrade Blyatlov posted:

I started a Morgiana game last night and holy hell she is nutso

Yeah FE is like the faceroll MP build for Brets right now and she's only more absurd in the campaign. Honestly probably shouldn't be a small, melee capable Mortis Engine the way she is, but if you took that away from her she'd kinda suck real bad so shrug

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers


I've previously only played Louen, so it's my first time seeing the kind of hell she can unleash

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation. I actually named my daughter after the Pink ranger and will provide proof if challenged.


Shes got a lil Goku to her. Please dont turn her into a Yamcha

not a bot
Jan 9, 2019


Truffle hounds for Brets and they beeline straight to night goblin units with fanatics and gobbo shamans for the shrooms. After murdering them, the hounds get massive stat boosts and attack everyone, including your own army. Please CA give me this.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?




Comrade Blyatlov posted:

I've previously only played Louen, so it's my first time seeing the kind of hell she can unleash

She's my go to for cleansing Athel Loren in my games because you can just scrum up a bunch of poo poo around her and smash through anything the welves throw at you, it's hilarious. Yes I am aware the Fey Enchantress burning down the great oak is the peak of "what" in this universe.


Dandywalken posted:

Shes got a lil Goku to her. Please dont turn her into a Yamcha

I would never.

albany academy
Mar 6, 2013



not a bot posted:

Truffle hounds for Brets and they beeline straight to night goblin units with fanatics and gobbo shamans for the shrooms. After murdering them, the hounds get massive stat boosts and attack everyone, including your own army. Please CA give me this.

that would be fun!

all this talk makes me want to play fe again. i haven't since the first tw.

albany academy
Mar 6, 2013



orangelex44 posted:

I wasn't talking about any one specific race. I just wanted to give context that while the number of units does have a weak relationship to how "generalist" a faction is perceived, it's not the only factor. Tomb Kings are very low on the list but very flexible, while Lizardmen are quite high but have noteworthy weaknesses. I know this will sound controversial (/s), but it turns out that what the units are matters a lot more than how many units there are. There are plenty of toys that can be given out to a faction without compromising their primary strengths or weaknesses.

Ultimately I think that claiming that CA will run out of possible new units for any given faction because "it'll ruin their identity!" is absurd. Bretonnia isn't some special snowflake here; I don't see anyone claiming that a new Dwarf DLC would have to add cavalry or that the Vampire Counts would need to get archers since each those factions have run out of development space. Could it happen? I mean sure I guess if every race had 100 units. Is it likely within what's reasonable to actually occur? Not a chance.

sylvanian crossbowmen

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun



honestly Bretonnian handgunners/treemen sounds like something no one wants

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011


albany academy posted:

sylvanian crossbowmen

You can get like 6 of them max per campaign if you go all-in on them and are a neat little gimmick to add some flavor to some of the Bloodline lords, and that's about it. If you could produce them at will, I'd probably dislike them.

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

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Lt. Danger posted:

honestly Bretonnian handgunners/treemen sounds like something no one wants

Probably not but they'd be easy to implement. If you're trying to differentiate campaigns without unique mechanics or drastic UI overhauls, having partial rosters is the way to go. I can understand the thinking from CA's side.

Ravenfood posted:

You can get like 6 of them max per campaign if you go all-in on them and are a neat little gimmick to add some flavor to some of the Bloodline lords, and that's about it. If you could produce them at will, I'd probably dislike them.

Exactly. It's even less impactful than, say, Aranessa Saltspite's living units. It's a small little campaign exclusive throwaway option, not something that's relevant to MP or even the majority of SP games. Can the AI even recruit them?

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?




They can, technically, but how the AI handles bloodline mechanics is a bit of a crapshoot so it's very rare. I have run into a few units of them before though, mainly in Empire games.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


To elaborate how bad GW was before the Leadership change when they blew up the Old World. They outright said they did not do market research, and seemed to be proud of it. And also had no interesting in communicating or connecting with their customers.

Winklebottom
Dec 19, 2007



not a bot posted:

Truffle hounds for Brets and they beeline straight to night goblin units with fanatics and gobbo shamans for the shrooms. After murdering them, the hounds get massive stat boosts and attack everyone, including your own army. Please CA give me this.

further evidence that Brets and Gobbos merged in AoS

neonchameleon
Nov 14, 2012






this take is really interesting to me, because it means GW thinks that knights with trebuchets is more culturally accessible than orks and elves. i seriously doubt that is still true since the LOTR craze. i am 100% certain that more people know what an orc is than know what a trebuchet is.
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The thing about accessibility is that you aren't looking for "the single most accessible choice" (whatever that is) if you're doing accessibility right. You're looking at a range of approaches that helps the widest range of people. Most people would rather walk up stairs than a slope and they are a lot less dangerous for most people e.g. when it gets icy - but we put wheelchair ramps in as well as rather than instead of stairs because multiple options cover more people. Likewise Bretonnia; it's not that knights with trebuchets are more culturally accessible overall than orcs and elves - it's that there exist some people for whom it's more accessible but for those who find orcs and elves more accessible we already have greenskins and three varieties of elf.

Pierre McGuire
Oct 30, 2010


the thing that's weird to me is that Bretonnia does not feel like a beginner's faction, at least it wasn't for me as a beginner. Cycling cavalry charges took me awhile to figure out how to do effectively. I had a much easier time with HElves and the Empire.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers


Honestly Empire seems the best starter faction because you can try out any playstyle then go to a different faction to specialise

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009




lizardmen were my first faction and they seemed like a good choice but then i played skaven and realized i had no idea what to do when my front line couldnt just clobber everyone

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?




Y'all are misinterpreting the beginner's faction comment

It's not about gameplay, GW is the group allegedly is saying this. They consider Brets a gateway faction to warhammer for fans of other Total Wars because Brets are, for the most part, conventional.

Seams
Feb 3, 2005


Dwarfs are like a historical TW faction stuck in the Warhammer world. No monsters, minimal magic, just infantry and guns. It makes them a unique challenge imo

Zzulu
May 15, 2009


MonsterEnvy posted:

To elaborate how bad GW was before the Leadership change when they blew up the Old World. They outright said they did not do market research, and seemed to be proud of it. And also had no interesting in communicating or connecting with their customers.

It's really interesting to follow the change in GW. It's like they rooted out all the garbage managers in the company and are now trying to actually do something with the goldmine of a property they've been sitting on for decades.

They even made an animated cinematic for the new editions of battle sisters and stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9V0bOB8sXQ

They're like, trying to connect to their fans and market their stuff

Zzulu fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Feb 23, 2021

brakeless
Apr 11, 2011

You're pretty sympathetic.
Smoke?

Arcsquad12 posted:

Greenskins are fun as long as they're not up against a missile heavy army. Which is lovely when several of the top tier late game factions are missile heavy.

Getting into melee with Greenskins is a bad move unless you want your head split by a Blorc, mobbed by Grom's super gobbos or stabbed to bits and poisoned by Skarsnik night gobbos.

But they really need a way to counter missile spam. So far the only option they have is artillery with the range scrap upgrade.

Have a couple units of cav that weave in and out of range or do fake charges to make the enemy ranged move back as your line makes the final approach, if their missiles clump up just give em the foot, or make the AI freak out by having a couple of night gobbos show up on a flank. I find that most factions have the tools to juke the AI into not concentrating firepower.

Seaguard stacks and empire armies with 6+ Helstroms notwithstanding, then it's either ambush or cry.

Zzulu
May 15, 2009


Just play Wurzhag and get lots of savage orcs and trolls with super high physical resist and just mash them into the face of the enemy. Foot of gork wahtever survives

Krataar
Sep 13, 2011

Drums in the deep



I'm still five pages back but I want a knight empowered be ZE LADY the size of a building. Like that digital art with the teutonic giant facing the polish knight. No horse

Noir89
Oct 9, 2012


Psycho Landlord posted:

gently caress it I'm starting another Repanse game

This is what I did after quiting that discussion earlier(Except for stating that Foot Squires should not exist) and having a blast stomping all over dusty skeletons and one angry skink , only one minor TK faction left then I turning the crusade north to run over some greenskins.

Ammanas
Jul 17, 2005

Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

Seams posted:

Dwarfs are like a historical TW faction stuck in the Warhammer world. No monsters, minimal magic, just infantry and guns. It makes them a unique challenge imo

they really need a refresh, with rune (anti)magic. theyre a cluster-up/turtle faction that can be annihilated by a purple sun or pendulum. a couple heroes would be nice too.

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012


Zzulu posted:

It's really interesting to follow the change in GW. It's like they rooted out all the garbage managers in the company
The previous CEO, Tom Kirby, was a moron. It's honestly amazing Games Workshop survived under him.

After Kevin Rountree took over as CEO in 2015, Kirby stayed on as an advisor / consultant for about a year. And it seems like Rountree did the exact opposite of whatever advice Kirby must have been giving. We got a rapid, whiplash-like shift from being openly hostile to their customers, to wanting to engage with and grow the fanbase.

Raygereio fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Feb 24, 2021

Sinteres
Mar 26, 2004
Please don't be rude, it upsets me when I'm trying to be smug

Raygereio posted:

The previous CEO, Tom Kirby, was a moron. It's honestly amazing Games Workshop survived under him.

After Kevin Rountree took over as CEO in 2015, Kirby stayed on as an advisor / consultant for about a year. And it seems like Rountree did the exact opposite of whatever advice Kirby must have been giving. We got a rapid, whiplash-like shift from being openly hostile to their customers, to wanting to engage with and grow the fanbase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUvKE3bQlY

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner



It's been said in the thread before that current GW management have stated they wouldn't have terminated Fantasy had they been in charge back then. Like, mark me in the "I dislike AoS but apparently the company is not a trash-fire anymore so..." camp, cautiously optimistic.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers


I just played my first online game. It was 4v4, I took one grail and two knights errant around the back of the enemy formation, wrecked their artillery and screening units, then when my teammates failed to follow my assault 3 armies fell on my knights and wrecked them


10/10 would play again

IAmThatIs
Nov 17, 2014

Wasteland Style


I finally got the Nakai dlc, and really enjoyed his campaign! I was kind of surprised the three heroes i killed during the campaign were back in the final battle though...

Anyways, the biggest disappointment had to have been razordons. Theyre aesthetically good, but man do they suck.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012
jokes




KazigluBey posted:

It's been said in the thread before that current GW management have stated they wouldn't have terminated Fantasy had they been in charge back then. Like, mark me in the "I dislike AoS but apparently the company is not a trash-fire anymore so..." camp, cautiously optimistic.

I didnt know this, but okay Im also cautiously optimistic.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012


KazigluBey posted:

It's been said in the thread before that current GW management have stated they wouldn't have terminated Fantasy had they been in charge back then. Like, mark me in the "I dislike AoS but apparently the company is not a trash-fire anymore so..." camp, cautiously optimistic.

Given that they are bringing the Old World back and are helping CA do Cathay I am pretty happy.

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005





MonsterEnvy posted:

To elaborate how bad GW was before the Leadership change when they blew up the Old World. They outright said they did not do market research, and seemed to be proud of it. And also had no interesting in communicating or connecting with their customers.

I'd really love to hear or read a write-up of what's been going on at Game's Workshop honestly.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010



Am I the only one who spent the longest time thinking the Dark Elves were t-posing on the campaign map?

A Perfect Twist
Aug 15, 2007

"What have I done? I'll have to start again. To forget and to disappear. I'll head north, far-north, to that big question mark, the Northern Territory"

IAmThatIs posted:

I finally got the Nakai dlc, and really enjoyed his campaign! I was kind of surprised the three heroes i killed during the campaign were back in the final battle though...

Anyways, the biggest disappointment had to have been razordons. Theyre aesthetically good, but man do they suck.

I could never get much out of them. The ones with the arc fire were better in every way.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013



IAmThatIs posted:

I finally got the Nakai dlc, and really enjoyed his campaign! I was kind of surprised the three heroes i killed during the campaign were back in the final battle though...

Anyways, the biggest disappointment had to have been razordons. Theyre aesthetically good, but man do they suck.

Nakai was fun because it's just the logical conclusion of "smash your dino toys into enemies" because you barely even have to care about the building side of things.

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007

"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."



Hell Gem

Quick question:

I am at like turn 80 of my Skarsnik campaign and doing really well. The only faction as powerful as myself, or slightly more so, was Grimgor who was gobbling up the Badlands till he suddenly got destroyed and all his holdings turned into 'greenskin rebels'. This is Clan Eshin fuckery, right?

Also, regarding the expansion questline (occupy 4, 8, 12, etc. settlements), what the heck are the optional objectives? I have put over 250 hours into this game and I still don't know.

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Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface


Hair Elf

Yeah, that's probably Sniktch using his delete key. Don't worry, he can't use it on you.

The optional objectives can be seen on your objectives panel, it's one of the buttons in the bottom right. I forget the exact layout but if you click around for a minute you'll find them. They change according to your chapter.

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