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Noir89
Oct 9, 2012

I made a dumdum

A Goblin Khanate DLC might actually get me to start a greenskins campaign, just give hordes of goblins riding wolves :

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Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011



I've sunk so much time into warhammer 2 this past week, probably unhealthy but I'm loving this game so much. Finally finished the basic Tyrion campaign and started up a Fat Goblin one, it's delightful so far

I've been trying to find good uses for Vanguard units (placeable outside of the starting deployment zone), so far my experiments have been either innefectual or disastrous. Any tips?

Arcsquad12
Mar 4, 2013

I Love Satan


Jay Rust posted:

I've sunk so much time into warhammer 2 this past week, probably unhealthy but I'm loving this game so much. Finally finished the basic Tyrion campaign and started up a Fat Goblin one, it's delightful so far

I've been trying to find good uses for Vanguard units (placeable outside of the starting deployment zone), so far my experiments have been either innefectual or disastrous. Any tips?

Right in the face of the enemy. Goblins in Grom's campaign punch way, way above their weight and can hold the line long enough for your unbreakable Stone Trolls (with the right cauldron recipes) to crump the enemy.

Then swing around the back with spiky rollas to cause more chaos while your shaman and/or river troll hag do their magic dance.

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun



light or missile cavalry/dogs can do good work distracting the AI - don't actually engage, just keep running around the back of the enemy line and peel off units. micro intensive obviously

not a bot
Jan 9, 2019


Since they mentioned how the fortresses of the other chaos gods still remain after the Kislev/Khorne battle, it's probably safe to say those kinds of battles act sort of as the rituals in the Vortex campaign.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Chomsky Boi

Sorry when I mentioned "they are doing Horus Heresy Warhammer" what I meant was doing a new set up where everything is set a long time before everything "happens" in the lore.

It's not something I particularly like seeing, but I hope other people enjoy it!

Also I cannot wait to see the Hobgoblin Khanate.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

Right in the Kokoro



Babe Magnet posted:

I am so hyped for Cathay. "Time Period Aesthetics But Moreso + Skulls" is going to look so loving rad with chinese-inspired units. And you know we're getting one of those sweet Long Dragons

Looooong long dragon.

Sasgrillo
Apr 13, 2013


The wounded hex is very good and cool, but it's also frustrating to still see shielded units get mulched by frontal missile attacks and cavalry do the usual charge, get stuck and die routine. Missiles and artillery definitely don't need to be nerfed, but melee infantry could use some kind of love.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but in 3K aren't shielded units virtually invulnerable to missile fire from the front? And cav are able to easily tear through unbraced formations, as well as rapidly disengage and change direction?

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

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It's possible they've tweaked the numbers on ranged - it's hard to gauge anything from this prerelease footage because all of the Khorne units only had about 25% of their base HP.

Blooming Brilliant
Jul 12, 2010



Sasgrillo posted:

And correct me if I'm wrong, but in 3K aren't shielded units virtually invulnerable to missile fire from the front? And cav are able to easily tear through unbraced formations, as well as rapidly disengage and change direction?

On cav, definitely. Cav is very strong in 3K.

Shielded units, eh depends? All units have missile resistance which for shielded infantry units is usually between 40-55% and for shielded cavalry about 80%. 3K has formations though that can add missile resistance on top, pushing missile resistance into 95-100% range.

Missile resistance is honestly pretty fair in 3K, a unit will block as much as it says it blocks.

Thing is, 3K missiles are lethal so even with 50% block infantry will get ripped by concentrated fire.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort



Blooming Brilliant posted:

Thing is, 3K missiles are lethal so even with 50% block infantry will get ripped by concentrated fire.
I dunno if you played since the most recent 3K DLC but ranged got adjusted to be less lethal. Peasant Archers shooting at unshielded peasant spearmen dont shatter them before the spearmen get into melee anymore, unless you have like 6 peasant archers firing at one spearman unit. Its really nice.

Kaza42
Oct 3, 2013

Blood and Souls and all that

There's also icons for Gold Shields now, so it's entirely possible that shielding is being reworked

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011



Is there a meaningful difference between chariots and cavalry?

Blooming Brilliant
Jul 12, 2010



Jay Rust posted:

Is there a meaningful difference between chariots and cavalry?

They have different masses and model shapes/sizes. Chariots can mess up units harder than cav on the charge, but they also have the tendency to get more caught/jammed up.

It's why in multi, if you are taking chariots it's usually on a lord or hero. They're easier to micro, since it's just one guy compared to a unit of three, so they're less likely to get trapped.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011


Jay Rust posted:

Is there a meaningful difference between chariots and cavalry?

Chariots (except Grom) seem like they have some animation fuckery that means they underperform compared to their statline. In theory they should be mostly like cavalry with a low model count and relatively large model size, with all the advantages and disadvantages that means. Also generally high charge and low combat stats with a tendency to get bogged down. If they can push through lines they seem generally effective.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Captain Oblivious posted:

Looooong long dragon.

https://twitter.com/BolterToKokoro/status/1389429405630435334

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013





Chariots are unstoppable killing machines....if you micro them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pnXR0QSwRI

I'm way too lazy to bother most of the time but if they are what you focus on they will absolutely wreck anything.

Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface


Hair Elf

I'm in the mood for Beasts. Are there any mods that make them less of a grind?

ThingOne
Jul 30, 2011



Would you like some tofu?




Salad Prong


Hopefully they expand it to the other races eventually. Not letting the Lizardmen kick Chaos in the teeth and finally complete the Great Plan seems like a wasted opportunity.

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

Any of a group of colors that are between red and yellow in hue. Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Old Occitan, from Arabic, from Persian, from Sanskrit.

Definition of lex:

Law. Latin.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Do you see any game 1 races with rites yet?

palindrome
Feb 3, 2020



What's the best way to get this on steam, is there a collection that has all the DLC? Should I just wait for pieces of it to go on sale?

I kind of feel like waiting for Total War: Warhammer 3 is the smarter move, but then I read about how DLC purchases move to the next game, and that there is a unifying world-spanning campaign map but only if you own TW:WH1 and TW:WH2?

I really liked Shogun 2, didn't care for Rome 2, and in general I like the total war series. I'm not a warhammer enthusiast but I can accept it as a generic fantasy setting, let's go. Wait for warhams 3, or get warhams 2 and eventually buy wharhams 1 since giant world-spanning maps are the best?

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011


We really need to put a disclaimer about how DLC works for Total War somewhere.

But anyway, don't fret about DLC: compared to everyone else, CA DLC practices are pretty drat good in the sense that *all DLC content* is patched into the game and 90% of it will end up in other AI's armies for you to fight/fight alongside with; what you're buying is the ability to use said DLC content. If this somehow sounds unreasonable, bear in mind that in a playthrough, you're only using a single race's worth of units anyway so you're not missing out at all. IMO, I suggest you buy WH2 and WH1 on sale; this will give you access to 9 factions with mostly unique playstyles and access to the Mortal Empires campaign, which is a massive world map with every single race having a playable position. If you like how a faction plays, go ahead and pick up DLC that gives that faction more units or Legendary Lords. Similarly, once you know if you enjoy a certain playstyle, ask around or do some research into what other DLC factions would be agreeable to your preference and pick those up as well. That's a *lot* of replayability already.

cool av
Mar 2, 2013


yeah, if you're not in a hurry just look for 50% off sales on the main games and buy the DLC for the faction that looks the most fun.

you can get 50+ hours out of 1 faction, and you aren't missing anything by not having all the other DLC while playing as them. repeat as desired.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

palindrome posted:

What's the best way to get this on steam, is there a collection that has all the DLC? Should I just wait for pieces of it to go on sale?

I kind of feel like waiting for Total War: Warhammer 3 is the smarter move, but then I read about how DLC purchases move to the next game, and that there is a unifying world-spanning campaign map but only if you own TW:WH1 and TW:WH2?

I really liked Shogun 2, didn't care for Rome 2, and in general I like the total war series. I'm not a warhammer enthusiast but I can accept it as a generic fantasy setting, let's go. Wait for warhams 3, or get warhams 2 and eventually buy wharhams 1 since giant world-spanning maps are the best?

TWW 2 is a great game out of the box that you can get a ton of time out of with no DLC at all, and you'll eventually need it to get the "complete" TWW3 experience, so I'd get it. Buy TWW 1 when it's on sale for faction unlocks.

As toasterwarrior says, DLC in TWW is extremely optional - the actual content any mechanics overhauls are patched in for free and you're only paying for playable access, so you can quite literally pick and choose only the DLCs that focus on races you're interested in playing or expanding upon. Don't give a poo poo about playing Skaven? You don't need to buy any Skaven DLC, since you'll fight all of their new stuff even with the base game.

There's a whole bunch of players, even in this thread, who have gotten like a hundred plus hours playing one faction over and over, nevermind all of the DLC options. I've bought every single DLC since I've spent hundreds of hours on both TWW1 and TWW2 and there are still LLs I've never actually gotten around to playing a campaign with.

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ThingOne
Jul 30, 2011



Would you like some tofu?




Salad Prong

It took three games but CA is finally putting unit abilities in a scrollable list instead of an unreadable pile at the bottom of the unit card .

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