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They're all supposed to more or less look like they're greater daemons, but that's more because they want to than because they have to.
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Note the location of some of the chains binding Slaanesh to have a gnarly idea of how serious the Aelves are at keeping Slaneesh Imprisoned.
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Jul 30, 2020 21:40
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The whole Seven Degrees of Skaven Bacon thing that TW:WH2 has going on in place of diplomacy continues to annoy me. I'm playing as Clan Mors and deliberately avoided going West from Charnel Valley, to avoid coming into contact with - and subsequently pissing the hell out of - anyone involved in the Lustria Thunderdome. And yet, it's less than a dozen turns from the start before the loving Spine of Sotek Dwarves declare war on me. I'm not even able to contact them, but they can declare war on me. And it just spirals from there. Presumably they spend every waking moment poo poo-talking me to anyone who'll listen, so the- 'Oh sorry, Teclis, I didn't even know there was an entire loving continent out that way, let alone know you were there. And what's that? You're declaring war on me, and will then spend the next twenty turns poo poo-talking me to your inbred brother, who'll then drag every loving High Elf faction into war with me? Cool, thanks for the message." I genuinely don't mind that there aren't a swathe of options when it comes to diplomacy, but the AI being able to war dec you before you've even met them is some of the most frustrating bullshit in the game.
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Jul 30, 2020 22:05
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Surely chaining up the titty and donger only makes slaanesh hornier and more powerful
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Jul 30, 2020 22:09
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That's not just a Skaven thing, as play any of the Evil factions and you'll see the same thing - occasionally a faction you're nowhere near and you haven't even met will declare war on you. I'm sure it can happen with Order factions as well, but playing around with some Chaos campaigns and running into that has it fresh in my mind. And yes, it is incredibly dumb as they're often so far away that you won't even see an army from them. But that's CA diplo for you - particularly CA diplo for Total Warhammer.
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Jul 30, 2020 22:13
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One time I was playing as Khazrak having a good time in Estalia and Boris Todbringer rolled in 20 turns after declaring war on me. He was at war with like the vampire counts, some empire factions and norsca. Yet he sent his whole 20 stack army after me.
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Jul 30, 2020 22:17
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SHISHKABOB posted:One time I was playing as Khazrak having a good time in Estalia and Boris Todbringer rolled in 20 turns after declaring war on me. He was at war with like the vampire counts, some empire factions and norsca. Yet he sent his whole 20 stack army after me. 
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Jul 30, 2020 22:20
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I like that Khorne has a big smile 🙂
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Jul 30, 2020 22:29
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When you think about it, that's really just him being characterised true to lore.
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Jul 30, 2020 22:50
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They really should do a dlc or update that just reskins toddy as tom with the voice.
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Jul 30, 2020 22:58
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OwlFancier posted:They really should do a dlc or update that just reskins toddy as tom with the voice. That was definitely an amazing stream.
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Jul 30, 2020 23:02
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Also extremely loud clanking wherever he goes on the battlefield.
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Jul 30, 2020 23:03
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I say the Horned Rat is actually just Tzeentch and Nurgle fighting for the ratmen's worship. That the "Horned Rat" is from vision to vision one of two different gods that hate each other is a fun way to explain skaven internecine backstabbing. Khorne isn't involved because they're cowardly and Slaneesh isn't involved because they're gross.
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Jul 30, 2020 23:41
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In 40k it's more clear that there are just the Big Four, but Fantasy has lots of minor gods. The Elf gods are real and a legitimate challenge to Chaos, for example. Hashtut, the Chaos Dwarf god, is his own evil firey thing, and not an aspect of the big four. The big rat dat makes all of da rules is his own thing too.
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Jul 30, 2020 23:58
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I strongly doubt that slaanesh is not involved with the skaven because if there is one thing they do, it's gently caress. Also they are very horny, love horns, it's in the name, horned rat. The horniest rat.
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Jul 31, 2020 00:13
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Skaven gently caress in a robotic mass production way though. Real reason I'm posting tho is Khorne definitely looks like the defacto winner of "most worship" considering the setting revolves around endless warfare:
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Jul 31, 2020 00:24
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SuperKlaus posted:I say the Horned Rat is actually just Tzeentch and Nurgle fighting for the ratmen's worship. That the "Horned Rat" is from vision to vision one of two different gods that hate each other is a fun way to explain skaven internecine backstabbing. Khorne isn't involved because they're cowardly and Slaneesh isn't involved because they're gross. Nah the horned rat became a genuine chaos god in age of sigmar Makes sense too since if enough people believe in something in warhammer it tends to become real. And there are many millions of skaven completely sure of the fact that there is a Horned Rat God
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Jul 31, 2020 01:02
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Doomykins posted:Skaven gently caress in a robotic mass production way though. Real reason I'm posting tho is Khorne definitely looks like the defacto winner of "most worship" considering the setting revolves around endless warfare: Yeah but don't you only give power to Khorne if you're REALLY into fighting though? The average scared as poo poo guy on the battlefield who just wants to go home probably isn't powering Khorne much
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Jul 31, 2020 01:03
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SuperKlaus posted:I say the Horned Rat is actually just Tzeentch and Nurgle fighting for the ratmen's worship. That the "Horned Rat" is from vision to vision one of two different gods that hate each other is a fun way to explain skaven internecine backstabbing. Khorne isn't involved because they're cowardly and Slaneesh isn't involved because they're gross. Nah, its always super lame when people try to reduce the Horned Rat or Hashut into aspects of the big four. Its more fun to have them as their own unique and weird thing that is connected to Chaos as a whole but isn't directly a part of the main four gods.
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Jul 31, 2020 01:07
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In 40k at least it's pretty explicit that all the gods wax and wane in power, because they'll team up to take down the biggest threat on the block. Slaanesh is noted as the weakest overall though, with Nurgle following a pretty predictable boom/bust cycle and Khorne usually being slightly stronger of the other two. In really old lore, also, it was stated that Khorne was the oldest and Genghis Khan was the first bloodthirster elevated. (40k taking place in a parallel version of the real universe). The idea is that rage is the basest emotion.
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Jul 31, 2020 01:09
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Are the Chaos Gods in Fantasy as they are in 40K? Manifestations of civilization's subconscious?
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Jul 31, 2020 01:12
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Subconscious isn't the right word, but basically yes. The Warp/Aethyr is responsive to the thoughts of mortals, and the chaos gods seem to have formed from basic feelings and impulses - anger, desire, etc. This is at least somewhat known in-universe too; the Liber Chaotica books contain a lecture given by Magnus the Pious to a Sigmarite conclave on despair's relationship to Nurgle and its theological significance.
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Jul 31, 2020 01:53
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:In 40k at least it's pretty explicit that all the gods wax and wane in power, because they'll team up to take down the biggest threat on the block. Slaanesh is noted as the weakest overall though, with Nurgle following a pretty predictable boom/bust cycle and Khorne usually being slightly stronger of the other two. In really old lore, also, it was stated that Khorne was the oldest and Genghis Khan was the first bloodthirster elevated. (40k taking place in a parallel version of the real universe). The idea is that rage is the basest emotion. Also in the old lore Ronald loving Reagan was the first Lord of Change raised by Tzeentch. Old 40k ruled. Also they noticeably made the Chaos gods profiles more explicitly villainous as things went along. Khorne used to be not just about warfare but specifically honorable warfare. Massacring innocents or those who couldn't fight used to piss him, basically he operated off Predator rules. Now it's all he only cares if blood flows. More boring if you ask me.
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Jul 31, 2020 02:19
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Eimi posted:Also in the old lore Ronald loving Reagan was the first Lord of Change raised by Tzeentch. Old 40k ruled. They used to have half-eldar's back in Rogue Trader. The Ultramarine's had one.
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Jul 31, 2020 03:46
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Onmi posted:They used to have half-eldar's back in Rogue Trader. The Ultramarine's had one. 
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Jul 31, 2020 04:03
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Blooming Brilliant posted:Yeah that's The Great Horned Hat. Skaven are just mortals still. Verminlords are technically just Daemons as he does not have any lesser ones. As for the art, the Age of Sigmar RPG gave art for all the primary gods of the game including the Chaos Gods so these are the most recent art. Khorne  Nurgle (The Big guy in the back.)  Tzeentch  Slaanesh  Great Horned Rat 
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Jul 31, 2020 06:34
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Zzulu posted:Nah the horned rat became a genuine chaos god in age of sigmar There are millions of empire men completely sure that skaven don't exist and that didn't help.
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Jul 31, 2020 06:47
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Zzulu posted:Yeah but don't you only give power to Khorne if you're REALLY into fighting though? Being just into fighting is going for Gork and Mork. Edgar Allen Ho posted:In 40k at least it's pretty explicit that all the gods wax and wane in power, because they'll team up to take down the biggest threat on the block. Slaanesh is noted as the weakest overall though, with Nurgle following a pretty predictable boom/bust cycle and Khorne usually being slightly stronger of the other two. In really old lore, also, it was stated that Khorne was the oldest and Genghis Khan was the first bloodthirster elevated. (40k taking place in a parallel version of the real universe). The idea is that rage is the basest emotion. Slaanesh being the weakest is now being stated as being an aspect of being the newest of the chaos gods. It's being pushed pretty well that Slaanesh by its nature has more potential than the other gods. Slaanesh rather than drawing power from an emotion like Rage, Hope, or Despair, instead draws power from the excess of any emotion. The most devoted servants of the other chaos gods are technically granting power to Slaanesh as well by going to the extremes on what their gods prefered emotions and activities.
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Jul 31, 2020 06:48
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juggalo baby coffin posted:this is the most recent official art ive seen of slaanesh: Look at all those erect monoliths. 
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Jul 31, 2020 07:00
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MonsterEnvy posted:You give power to Khorne if you kill in rage or and hate. Slaanesh actually has an emotion, it’s love/lust/desire. It’s just desire can be anything, desire to kill or love or burn or so on. WH40k also has the thing where conscious worship of a warp entity can stop the distribution of emotional empowerment, which is why the Imperial Faith actually works. An imperial soldier might be a violent raging warrior but provided it’s righteous anger for the Emperor and he doesn’t get too lost in it he will merely empower the Emperor instead of Khorne.
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Jul 31, 2020 10:03
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I'm lookin' at the new horned rat the same way I look at all the new age of sigmar crap.
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Jul 31, 2020 11:38
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The skaven are pretty much directly lifted and unchanged tho
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Jul 31, 2020 11:42
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The skaven are pretty much directly lifted and unchanged tho something about the art direction. Lore is one thing but there's this weird vibe about everything with age of sigmar. That and all the models look like they're caught in a fukkin' tornado.
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Age of Sigmar (especially the Stormcast stuff) has a cheesy power metal album cover look.  Also this:  It's stupid but Warhammer runs on stupid so I kind of like it.
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Jul 31, 2020 12:12
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It's too stupid.
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Jul 31, 2020 12:57
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MonsterEnvy posted:Skaven are just mortals still. Verminlords are technically just Daemons as he does not have any lesser ones. Thanks to everyone who explained, also the art  Follow up question, what is the Great Horned Rat's domain? I mean, obviously Skaven, but I also read somewhere that he's meant to embody ruin and decay (and decay not in a Nurgle sense, more the deterioration of civilisations?) I'm wanting to brush up on my Skaven lore, going to play them when Old World launches. This thread has turned me to big rule-making rats 
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Jul 31, 2020 13:00
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Southpaugh posted:It's too stupid. What you don't like a guy who has an axe with NO LESS THAN FOUR serrated blades and carries THE PORTAL OF SKULLS and he's the BLOODSECRATOR
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Jul 31, 2020 13:06
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If the Slaneesh greater daemon, Keeper of Secrets, makes it in the game I hope they use the newest design. It's the first time I really liked a Slaneesh demon design.
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Jul 31, 2020 15:30
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Laughing Zealot posted:If the Slaneesh greater daemon, Keeper of Secrets, makes it in the game I hope they use the newest design. It's the first time I really liked a Slaneesh demon design. Yeah, the redesign of the Keeper of Secrets is fantastic. The old design had no idea what to do with them, but that one works perfectly.
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Laughing Zealot posted:If the Slaneesh greater daemon, Keeper of Secrets, makes it in the game I hope they use the newest design. It's the first time I really liked a Slaneesh demon design. Slanesh obsession with crab claws is mystifying Just give her long creepy talons
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