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Vox Day's comic book crowdfunder turned out be be less successful than his enormous wad would suggest. https://medium.com/@Death_Ray/the-menace-of-doc-vox-b5b070a8af4c
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https://twitter.com/theisb/status/925389585403842560
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Oct 31, 2017 16:53
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Nice. Thanks.
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So I'm hearing Image hired serial abuser Scott Allie after he was fired from dark horse??
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Nov 1, 2017 01:29
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site posted:So I'm hearing Image hired serial abuser Scott Allie after he was fired from dark horse?? He's freelance, and Image contracted with him to curate an anthology, so not *quite* the same.
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Endless Mike posted:He's freelance, and Image contracted with him to curate an anthology, so not *quite* the same. https://www.cbr.com/image-comics-where-we-live/ posted:The anthology will include a variety of artwork meant to start an ongoing conversation about compassion in society, mental health stigmatization, gun violence and the importance of fostering conversations about the above issues. Yeah the guy who the industry covered up for what 15 years? is deffo who I want on this project. I bet he knows a lot about compassion in the industry and the importance of fostering conversations about issues
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Nov 1, 2017 02:10
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Oh, I'm not saying he's the right person for the job, just saying it's not like he's a permanent employee.
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So what is the moral difference between hiring a known serial assaulter who just got fired for being a serial assaulter for a work for hire charity gig and a permanent employee?
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site posted:So what is the moral difference between hiring a known serial assaulter who just got fired for being a serial assaulter for a work for hire charity gig and a permanent employee? I really mean no disrespect, but I just feel like most people don't care about this stuff as much as you do. So it probably doesn't cross their mind at all when they make hiring decisions.
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I dunno if you're doing it intentionally but on the off chance you're not actually just a piece of poo poo I guess I'll spell it out, that is literally The Problem
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Nov 1, 2017 03:12
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Death Ray posted:Vox Day's comic book crowdfunder turned out be be less successful than his enormous wad would suggest. This picture is the stuff of nightmares.
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A Strange Aeon posted:I really mean no disrespect, but I just feel like most people don't care about this stuff as much as you do. So it probably doesn't cross their mind at all when they make hiring decisions. I'm sorry but I'm still hosed up over most people don't see abuse and assault as a real problem maybe you're just taking this to seriously as an excuse offered up by someone here this is some gross poo poo
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Nov 1, 2017 03:25
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He’s right though. They really don’t care what he’s done, that’s been pretty obvious.
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Maybe I was hasty in my phrasing, I'm not disagreeing with the premise, because they are right. I'm taking offense at the notion of "well that's comics  " as a way to handwave away dealing with or even acknowledging that that fact in in of itself is the problem
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Sadly most people don't care and that is the problem. Maybe start tweeting at Image people and try and bring some awareness on this.
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Image doesn't really contract people to do anything? JH Williams III appears to be the person who spearheaded this anthology, and in the press release written by JHW3 he says (emphasis mine): quote:I felt like something needed to be done to help in a unique way. A week passed before the shock cleared enough to decide I wanted to help create a benefit book project for the survivors, along with oversight from Eric Stephenson, Scott Allie, Dave Stewart and Wendy Wright-Williams. I’m thankful for them and Image Comics offering so quickly to do this. It's understandable to think continued work/collaboration with Allie or anyone of his ilk is gross, but this really seems like it's down to the Williamses more than "Image Comics" as an organization, though much like the whole Howard Chaykin/Divided States of Hysteria thing, I suppose you could object to their entire foundational ethos of not imposing any sort of editorial control/oversight. It really sounds like it was Williams's choice to involve Allie though, not anyone from Image. EDIT: I also see why having Stephenson as one of the curators may well set this apart from I dunno, a random issue of Stray Bullets in that it has more of an official imprimatur from Image Central, though also if we go down that path so many people worked with Allie in the years/decades this was not even an open secret but an established fact, not to mention the number of people who willingly worked with [insert other publicly exposed bad actor] here that I feel like it would be legitimately hard to purchase a vaguely mainstream action/superhero comic in good conscience by these standards. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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site posted:I dunno if you're doing it intentionally but on the off chance you're not actually just a piece of poo poo I guess I'll spell it out, Okay, I'll take your word for it that I'm a piece of poo poo for pointing out the obvious fact that no one at Image cares, because if they cared about this guy as much as you did, then they wouldn't have hired him. In an ideal world, what would you want to see happen? Like, enough people raise a fuss on twitter, and Brian K Vaughn speaks out against this guy, refusing to write more Saga until Image publicly rescinds their offer to him, and then all of BKV's fans boycott Image and burn effigies of Spawn in the street to express their displeasure? And everybody stops watching the Walking Dead and it gets cancelled and finally Image realizes their plummeting revenues are because they hired this guy and they say "Hey, we're sorry--he's gone and won't be coming back and we'll never do it again"? I'm not trying to be combative, I just really don't understand The Solution you're envisioning to The Problem, nor how ethics should be influencing my own consumption. Like, what comic books do you read and how do you know some lovely person didn't have a hand in their creation? Is there a list somewhere of all comics writers/artists/colorists/letterers/etc. who are terrible? And does a publisher giving work to one of those people mean the publisher itself should be considered to be enabling bad ideas and supporting bad people, and therefore that publisher should not be given our money? And are the people who read that publisher's work also culpable and pieces of poo poo for supporting the publisher that is paying the terrible person? I know the "there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism" meme, but that doesn't strike me as the way things have to be, or the way you would want the world to function, so I'm curious what you do want, and how you see a path to that world. edit--replace Image with the Williamses based on E&C's post, with appropriate examples, I guess.
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Wait that last paragraph confuses me are you arguing there is no ethical consumption under capitalism and so why bother caring, or are you arguing it shouldn't be that way but sites reaction is still wrong because ???
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CharlestheHammer posted:Wait that last paragraph confuses me are you arguing there is no ethical consumption under capitalism and so why bother caring, or are you arguing it shouldn't be that way but sites reaction is still wrong because ??? I don't know if I can post here since it's November now, but no, I don't even think sites' reaction is wrong. I just want to know how you take those feelings of things being wrong in the world and turn them into actions that lead to things being correct. I don't like that ethical consumption meme, I think it's a defeatist way of thinking that engenders more thoughtless consumption.
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Wrong thread. My bad.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:So when Scott Allie would randomly bite people, was it like a hard chomp? Was he an equal-opportunity biter of men and women? Did anyone ever push him off or kick his rear end over it? I'm not saying anyone had to, but if someone bit me, that might be my first impulsive reaction, if I wasn't too shocked to react at all. Did he really wield so much power at Dark Horse (the #4 publisher at best) that the entire industry was afraid of retaliating against him or even speaking out against him? I think X-O would prefer we keep this line of discussion in the new thread he made so I'm gonna respond over there. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3836728&pagenumber=6#lastpost
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Rhyno posted:I think X-O would prefer we keep this line of discussion in the new thread he made so I'm gonna respond over there. Thank you. I apologize, X-O!
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November thread should be V for Vendetta themed. Remember remember.
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Wheat Loaf posted:November thread should be V for Vendetta themed. 
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I can do a quick and dirty thread for November if no-one has done one yet.
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Quick and dirty November thread is up https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3839311
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