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Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
EC Comics also literally said "gently caress you!" to a judge in charge of the CCA for trying to change the black astronaut at the end of Judgment Day into a white guy and published the comic as is. And it's worth remembering that fact forever.

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Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Beyond the insidious nature of this, I dunno, I feel like the real life Vision is a much dorkier experience.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Zoro posted:

Anyone ever make the opposite of Fighting American/Captain America/The Shield? Just a guy who hates America because he has simply does not believe in American exceptionalism and views it as a country full of corruption that only plays lipservice to its ideals? Other than Rorschach.
I don't feel like that's really the opposite of Captain America or at least the platonic ideal of Captain America.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
The Ultimate Universe was always a mess if we're going to be honest. People forget about Ultimate Marvel Team Up, Ultimate Adventure, Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra, and Orson Scott Card's weird Iron Man origin.

Even when you go to the flagships (X-men, Ultimates, and Spider-Man), there is definitely this tonal gap between what Millar is doing and what Bendis is doing. Bendis's take leans towards being a more streamlined version of the core Marvel Universe with certain wrinkles ironed out. It's a sort of redo of the Spider-Man mythos. A lot of what he does feels like a second draft of Lee's work (Give us more context for who Ben was in Peter's life; Just make it so Norman Osborn turns into a goblin creature instead of wearing a goblin costume for some reason).

Millar's work is different. It's easy to reduce it to film pitches, and his Ultimate X-men work definitely feels like a trilogy of films. His Ultimates shows a greater level of patience and a willingness to explore the characters, especially Ultimates 2. Millar's work is almost the opposite of Bendis's in that he doesn't iron out wrinkles, but accentuates them. The animated Hank Pym from Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes is probably the second draft Hank Pym you'd want: He's a truly tragic figure because he's smart, likable, but filled with self-loathing. Millar ramps up the spousal abuse instead. Not only does the Hulk kill, but he eats people. His Captain America is the worst people assume when they hear the name Captain America.

Millar built a Ultimate Universe that seemed like a cynical parody of its source material. And while there is good in his work, his X-Men never has the charm of Claremont's because he leaves little room for the untraditional family metaphor at the heart of X-men. Bendis would incorporate that into his Spider-Man work instead.

The Ultimate Universe was always built on shaky ground despite the strength of Spider-Man and Ultimates.

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