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Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

TURDS BOD



I think Souls games should feel easier as you play them. Sekiro was a game about constantly ramping up difficulty, and it shows. I personally prefer the power fantasy of going from a weak and confused hoonter to becoming an eldritch blood demon that is more of a boss fight in itís own right than a PC.

Wolf is literally always on the back foot, always the underdog, and I donít like that. Even when I have max stats and 30 hours of Sekiro under my belt I still feel like the game is trying to frustrate me more than its trying to beat me. Bloodborne is like a nice, hot bath (just donít look in the tub or get any of the water in your mouth)

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JustaDamnFool
Mar 2, 2019


I'd say that Bloodborne suffers from the classic From issue of having an amazing first half and a 2nd half of a more mixed quality. Everything up to Rom is fantastic, and you still get some good fights in at the end, but i'm not a big fan of any of the areas post Rom outside of the Lecture hall. The mob and boss design feels weaker overall, and you end up fighting a lot of re-skins of earlier enemies.

Sekiro's difficulty curve felt weird to me, mainly because it felt bloody impossible up until the Genichiro fight, and then the combat clicked for me and I had an much easier time from there on out, aside from the occasional tough mob (goddamn straw hat monks).

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman

the sekiro monkey holds a place in my heart as a miserably difficult video game boss

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

TURDS BOD



The first time I got to Double Monkey I literally stood up, suspended the game, and walked out of my bedroom laughing because I couldnít believe they were asking me to fight two at once.

tote up a bags
Jun 8, 2006

die stoats die



JustaDamnFool posted:

I'd say that Bloodborne suffers from the classic From issue of having an amazing first half and a 2nd half of a more mixed quality. Everything up to Rom is fantastic, and you still get some good fights in at the end, but i'm not a big fan of any of the areas post Rom outside of the Lecture hall. The mob and boss design feels weaker overall, and you end up fighting a lot of re-skins of earlier enemies.

Sekiro's difficulty curve felt weird to me, mainly because it felt bloody impossible up until the Genichiro fight, and then the combat clicked for me and I had an much easier time from there on out, aside from the occasional tough mob (goddamn straw hat monks).

This is true however the DLC is absoloutely loving incredible, and also the Woods are before Rom and I'd put them maybe at the bottom of my list. I kinda like the Lofts too.

As for Sekiro I bounced off the game for a year, then came back and decided "gently caress dodging im GOING IN" and it turned out that's what they wanted all along. I would say the Straw Hat Monks are insanely hard too though.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.


verbal enema posted:

I liked the no blood vials twist. Deffo got me killed a few times lmao

Wait what

bows1
May 16, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 23 days!


my first NG+ run I no-deathed every boss up until Asshin which was incredible. I did die to some groups when I got really cocky.

Double Ape is way weaker than the original Ape which makes that fight frustrating but not as difficult as you'd think

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

TURDS BOD



Oh yeah itís actually more manageable than the the single, IMO, but just the actual presentation of ďoh yeah that insane boss fight from 2 hours ago? Here you GO!Ē is insane.

HaB
Jan 5, 2001

What are the odds?


I asked in the DS3 thread, but that ones not very active now.

Can anyone with DS3 on PS4 drop a claw for me?

I donít have a character with access to Consumed Kings Garden yet. Itís underneath the first platform when you came out of the elevator. Down with the slugs and the shadow set.

Reply here or ping me on PS4: Monkrocker

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"



The Moon Presenceís blood spray attacks disable healing items and rally.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009



Lord_Magmar posted:

The Moon Presence’s blood spray attacks disable healing items and rally.

idk about rally as that is what kept me alive when she did it second time

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007



Lord_Magmar posted:

The Moon Presenceís blood spray attacks disable healing items and rally.

this is not accurate

bows1
May 16, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 23 days!


So I want to do a skill build. Blades of Mercy best weapon? What should I do. I've only done a STR build twice (Saw Cleaver and Whirligig.) Let me know,

Pulcinella
Feb 15, 2019


tote up a bags posted:

This is true however the DLC is absoloutely loving incredible, and also the Woods are before Rom and I'd put them maybe at the bottom of my list. I kinda like the Lofts too.

As for Sekiro I bounced off the game for a year, then came back and decided "gently caress dodging im GOING IN" and it turned out that's what they wanted all along. I would say the Straw Hat Monks are insanely hard too though.

I would put Nightmare Frontier at the bottom. Amygdala is a good boss fight and I like the visual design, but the actual level design is kind of boring, maze-like in a bad way, and most of the items are just chalice dungeons materials and I think a few runes.

The Straw Hat Monks are the blood lickers of Sekiro, an enemy your better off just ignoring for at least most of the game if not all of it.

Edit: Also glad I did Sekiro before BB. Dodging in Sekiro is radically different than in BB. Itís only used to dodge very specific kinds of attacks and has half (or less) the iframes the dodge in BB.

JustaDamnFool posted:

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Sekiro's difficulty curve felt weird to me, mainly because it felt bloody impossible up until the Genichiro fight, and then the combat clicked for me and I had an much easier time from there on out, aside from the occasional tough mob (goddamn straw hat monks).

Lady Butterfly, Genichiro, and False Corrupted Monk (though you probably wonít go there before Genichiro your first time through) are all more difficult and ask more of you than most video gamesí final bosses. Genichiro himself is set up like he could be the final boss but in Sekiro you defeat him about a third the way through the game.

Pulcinella fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Aug 1, 2020

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

TURDS BOD



bows1 posted:

So I want to do a skill build. Blades of Mercy best weapon? What should I do. I've only done a STR build twice (Saw Cleaver and Whirligig.) Let me know,

Burial Blade for SURE itís da best one

Strelok604
Apr 26, 2020



Isshin is excellent as a final challenge, because you can't beat him unless you engage with everything the game is trying to teach you. But as a boss, he's too long to be truly great (plus you have to fight Genichiro every time.)

Owl 2, though, is one of the best bosses in video game history

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007



bows1 posted:

So I want to do a skill build. Blades of Mercy best weapon? What should I do. I've only done a STR build twice (Saw Cleaver and Whirligig.) Let me know,

cane or blades for ng, church pick or rakuyo for ng+

Bust Rodd posted:

Burial Blade for SURE itís da best one

thats a quality build weapon imo

Imhotep
Nov 16, 2009






scary ghost dog posted:

this is not accurate

Yeah I thought that wasnít true, but the wiki says:
ďPeriodically through the fight the Moon Presence will summon pale white balls which burst and rain blood in a medium-sized AoE. If you get covered by the blood, you will not be able to heal for a short period of time. It acts in a similar fashion to Numbing MistĒ
So partially correct, you canít heal but you can rally, and get all your health back from the AoE attack that leaves you with 1 HP.

HaB posted:

I asked in the DS3 thread, but that ones not very active now.

Can anyone with DS3 on PS4 drop a claw for me?

I donít have a character with access to Consumed Kings Garden yet. Itís underneath the first platform when you came out of the elevator. Down with the slugs and the shadow set.

Reply here or ping me on PS4: Monkrocker

If no ones done this I can, Iím about to add you.

Imhotep fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Aug 1, 2020

verbal enema
May 23, 2009



When Moon Presence did her second blood shriek was when i noticed vials not activating ie my hunter would do the animation as if i didn't have any

the white ball blood poofs just seemed to stagger and damage

multijoe
Oct 15, 2007

Good grief, you really are the lowest tier scum in history


Fun Shoe

Beasthunter Saif is also a fun Skill weapon. The untransformed moveset is very similar to the Saw Cleaver, but the gap closer dash it does at the start of R1 combos is just divine

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013



Grimey Drawer

multijoe posted:

Beasthunter Saif is also a fun Skill weapon. The untransformed moveset is very similar to the Saw Cleaver, but the gap closer dash it does at the start of R1 combos is just divine

This is why I love having the Saif as a secondary weapon.

Gay Rat Wedding
Sep 14, 2011


Taco Defender

scary ghost dog posted:

thats a quality build weapon imo

burial blade is extremely good with only skill.

A FESTIVE SKELETON
Oct 2, 2011

TIS THE SEASON BITCH


scary ghost dog posted:

cane or blades for ng, church pick or rakuyo for ng+


thats a quality build weapon imo

seconding church pick

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!


Question: is there any reason to hold on to insight or can I buy the fly outfits that I want

Also how much do stats matter on clothes becasue I really want to be fashionable

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph


I usually buy gasciones clothes cause they have good poison resistance but those are the only clothes I buy

The resistances to poison and frenzy are the two I felt made the biggest noticeable difference

I saved all my insight until the end to buy more blood chunks cause they don't drop from enemies often

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010



Grimey Drawer

Buying clothes is the best use of insight

Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100


multijoe posted:

Beasthunter Saif is also a fun Skill weapon. The untransformed moveset is very similar to the Saw Cleaver, but the gap closer dash it does at the start of R1 combos is just divine

I love the little bit of storytelling-through-gameplay that the Beasthunter Saif, one of the first Hunter weapons made, transforms in reverse fashion from any other Hunter weapon.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

TURDS BOD



Thereís no reason to ever have a high amount of insight until youíre at the end of the game or NG+

Paracelsus
Apr 5, 2009

bless this post ~kya


Macaluso posted:

Question: is there any reason to hold on to insight or can I buy the fly outfits that I want

Also how much do stats matter on clothes becasue I really want to be fashionable

You can eventually buy Blood Rocks for 60 insight.

Pulcinella
Feb 15, 2019


Defense stats on clothes matter very little. Elemental resistance to things like lightning or fire can be more helpful if you are going up against a boss that use those elements, but the vast majority of damage you will be taking will physical and even the strongest armor will do little to prevent that. The beat strategy is to not get hit.

Go hog wild with Fashion Souls.

We Got Us A Bread
Jul 23, 2007



Macaluso posted:

Question: is there any reason to hold on to insight or can I buy the fly outfits that I want

Also how much do stats matter on clothes becasue I really want to be fashionable

Insight actively makes the game harder, especially at the end when each point of Insight you have lowers your Frenzy resistance.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl and FOURTEEN KARAT GOLD!!!

Warning: SU Season 3 Spoilers


On the other hand I usually like to try to keep around 15 to 20 insight or so whenever possible so if I want to summon I don't have to worry about not having any on hand, though going above that isn't recommended unless you're wanting to buy some stuff in the Insight store

Zillions magazine
Oct 17, 2005

Firmly grasp the



Any bloodbuds feel like carrying my fairly low level idiot through Ludwig? My save data got corrupted and I've recently wanted to make another pvp guy, and I just want the bloodletter. I probably will only die a couple times

Crystalgate
Dec 26, 2012


There seems to be some rather arbitrary ideas of what's a quality weapon and what's not. IMO, the definition should be based on what happens when you get to 25, hitting a soft cap, in the weapon's strongest stat. If you get more damage by switching from skill to str or vice versa rather than continuing with leveling the same stat, then it's a quality weapon. Note that by this definition, all str weapons except for Kirkhammer, Whirligig Saw and Amygdalan Arm are quality weapons while among the skill weapons, only the Saw Spear and the Church Pick are quality. Of course, heavy stones will remove the quality part from all str weapons.

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

YOSPOS



Iíve been playing through the main Bloodborne story and posting in the PS4 thread, since the people in there recommended the game so much. Iíve made it very far now and I love it. I am building around mostly strength and skill and using the saw spear and ludwigís sword. I just had the most clutch kill ever. I could not figure this boss out for the first half dozen or so tried. Then I tried a strategy where I spent the first phase waiting for itís attacks that would get its hands or head on the ground and then run in and get a few hits in before running out again. But itís second phase I couldnít do that at all. I got stuck underneath it, and was having so much trouble gauging how close itís arms were and could barely hit them. I chewed through all my flasks and thought I was dead when this happened. I saw itís head dip down in front all of a sudden and just turned and reflex spammed r1 and holy gently caress I couldnít believe it. I literally couldnít breathe for a few seconds afterwards.


https://twitter.com/blind_rasputin/...9245418502?s=21

Just had to share. I donít think Iíve ever ended a fight that close.

Unfortunately I thought this was the way I was supposed to be going for the main story, totally lost. Iím now back on track, I think, in the Unseen Village and spent a bit exploring that area. Extremely creepy and I donít know what the gently caress is going on since everyone I kill keeps coming back to life!

Are there actually people that can beat that person in the great chapel where Eileen is laying there all bloody? I can usually do OK against fast moving hunters but wow. Just wow. I might have to just skip that one unless the rewards are really worth it for helping her or thereís some easy way to kill him.

Strelok604
Apr 26, 2020



Blind Rasputin posted:

Are there actually people that can beat that person in the great chapel where Eileen is laying there all bloody? I can usually do OK against fast moving hunters but wow. Just wow. I might have to just skip that one unless the rewards are really worth it for helping her or thereís some easy way to kill him.

The Bloody Crow of Cainhurst, as he's called, is harder than most bosses in the game, it's not jsut you. He has a ton of health and his gun does crazy damage

We Got Us A Bread
Jul 23, 2007



Blind Rasputin posted:

Iíve been playing through the main Bloodborne story and posting in the PS4 thread, since the people in there recommended the game so much. Iíve made it very far now and I love it. I am building around mostly strength and skill and using the saw spear and ludwigís sword. I just had the most clutch kill ever. I could not figure this boss out for the first half dozen or so tried. Then I tried a strategy where I spent the first phase waiting for itís attacks that would get its hands or head on the ground and then run in and get a few hits in before running out again. But itís second phase I couldnít do that at all. I got stuck underneath it, and was having so much trouble gauging how close itís arms were and could barely hit them. I chewed through all my flasks and thought I was dead when this happened. I saw itís head dip down in front all of a sudden and just turned and reflex spammed r1 and holy gently caress I couldnít believe it. I literally couldnít breathe for a few seconds afterwards.


https://twitter.com/blind_rasputin/...9245418502?s=21

Just had to share. I donít think Iíve ever ended a fight that close.

Unfortunately I thought this was the way I was supposed to be going for the main story, totally lost. Iím now back on track, I think, in the Unseen Village and spent a bit exploring that area. Extremely creepy and I donít know what the gently caress is going on since everyone I kill keeps coming back to life!

Are there actually people that can beat that person in the great chapel where Eileen is laying there all bloody? I can usually do OK against fast moving hunters but wow. Just wow. I might have to just skip that one unless the rewards are really worth it for helping her or thereís some easy way to kill him.

There's no shame at all in cheesing him, he's nearly impossible, if only to finish out Eileen's questline and get her armor and weapons and a fast stamina Regen rune.

Spoilers for cheese: Lure him down the stairs and then run past him to the back left (your left) corner of the cathedral. Duck behind one of the pillars there, and he'll lose track of you and return to his starting position with his back to you. Walk up, backstab/visceral, and run back down the stairs to lure him back down there, and repeat until he's dead.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!


Thanks all about the insight... insight! I will be buying some clothes

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


Sekiro is the easiest of the games because it all comes down to knowing your enemy, because knowing yourself is so drat simple it's laughable.

I've Platted BB, DS3 and Sekiro, and Sekiro was by far the easiest. It was a slog, but it was just endurance. Even up to NG+++, the fact that your attack just keeps going up always keeps you at level, and you never need to worry about equip load or build setup or armor resistance.

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J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


We Got Us A Bread posted:

There's no shame at all in cheesing him, he's nearly impossible, if only to finish out Eileen's questline and get her armor and weapons and a fast stamina Regen rune.

Spoilers for cheese: Lure him down the stairs and then run past him to the back left (your left) corner of the cathedral. Duck behind one of the pillars there, and he'll lose track of you and return to his starting position with his back to you. Walk up, backstab/visceral, and run back down the stairs to lure him back down there, and repeat until he's dead.

You can also load up on poison knives, and he won't dash as he's walking back to his patrol route. Just let the poison wear him down, attack every now and again.

I only know one guy who beat the Bloody Crow clean, and he used to do no-death runs with different builds. That monster is meant to be a practice in cheese strats.

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