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I'd probably say Bloodborne is the easiest one, followed by Dark Souls 1, then 3, then 2, and Sekiro is probably the hardest(if I were counting Nioh and The Surge here they'd probably go between 2 and Sekiro)
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J.A.B.C. posted:Sekiro is the easiest of the games because it all comes down to knowing your enemy, because knowing yourself is so drat simple it's laughable. Strong disagree here, there is nothing is BB that approaches Sword St. Ishiin, not even close. I feel like I could beat Abhorrent & Bloodletting Beast tag team style like Double Guardian Ape before I beat Sekiro. FTR, I’ve been parked at Ishiin since roughly May of 2019. That final boss is a brick wall for me and I have the Platinum in Bloodborne. I beat everything else in Sekiro but honestly I have absolutely no idea what any of his attacks in P3 are even doing and just getting back there to practice is aggravating in the extreme. I really enjoyed the challenge of Sekiro up to that point, but that fight is the only time I’ve ever just walked away from a game and said “yeah, you win” Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Aug 2, 2020 |
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Imhotep posted:If no ones done this I can, I’m about to add you. Awesome. Will keep an eye out. I am mostly doing stuff around the house today but can jump on whenever to make the drop.
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Bust Rodd posted:Strong disagree here, there is nothing is BB that approaches Sword St. Ishiin, not even close. I feel like I could beat Abhorrent & Bloodletting Beast tag team style like Double Guardian Ape before I beat Sekiro. I think endgame boss difficulty varies so much between people that it's hard to really pin down who is the 'hardest'. For reference, I beat Gael in four tries, Sword Saint in eight, Friede in about thirty-ish and Orphan over an uncountable number after four days of trying. It probably depends how much a boss syncs to your playstyle and the habits you've formed, like I'd barely used ninja tools in Sekiro and beat nearly every boss with funamentals so Isshin wasn't that trying for me because he's a pretty honest boss you can have a good swordfight with, but lasting out against Orphan who can delete you in two hits as soon as you gently caress up a dodge was a nightmare for me.
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Aug 2, 2020 13:07
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Bloody Crow is hard but I think it's crazy how much people exaggerate his difficulty. You can just parry him to death like any other human enemy. His gun is nasty but avoidable. I had much more trouble with Eileen herself the one play through I decided to have her be there instead because she's so much faster and harder to time the parry shots.
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I also don't get all the hype about how hard the bloody crow is. If you're using the holy blade just lock on and time a charge thrust to strike just as he walks into range. Fall back and repeat. As long as you're careful to dodge when he shoots at you you can reliably grind him down.
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Aug 2, 2020 14:06
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Bloody Crow is really good practice for learning to parry blood vials
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Bust Rodd posted:Strong disagree here, there is nothing is BB that approaches Sword St. Ishiin, not even close. I feel like I could beat Abhorrent & Bloodletting Beast tag team style like Double Guardian Ape before I beat Sekiro. coward
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Eh, someone in the PS4 thread pointed out that the only other game out this year I care about is CyberPunk 2077, so I’m probably gonna run through Sekiro again because honestly it being the only game I’ve ever given up on in 20 years of gaming feels bad, and I know it’s doable. I killed Orphan in like 6-7 tries I think, I’m General I think all the DLC bosses are overblown. I remember killing Ludwig and thinking “...that’s what all the pages of complaints were about?” after no more than 3 attempts... But I’ve also famously wiped on Living Failures many times before one-shotting Maria.
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Aug 2, 2020 15:04
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i will be extremely surprised is Cyberpunk comes out this year. I also found Sekiro much harder and more punishing than any souls game or bloodborne, especially a few bosses in particular.
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Aug 2, 2020 15:20
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sekiro is the least punishing fromsoft game, because theres a button to come back to life after u die.
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I don’t understand how anyone can reach Isshin and feel like he’s an unapproachable wall. He’s just Genichiro 2.0, Genichiro is the midterm Isshin is the final exam. Both test you on fundamental mechanics knowledge. Nthing that I don’t get the Crow hype. Threw that guy in the dumpster first go. Like yes his gun hurts but otherwise he’s just a bog standard Chikage PvPing moron with predictable AI? I went hard into PvP in most Dark Souls though so my perspective may be skewed.
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Aug 2, 2020 15:22
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The human hunters who aren’t boss fights are the hardest fights in BB because most of us don’t PVP. I think Owl/Owl 2 are incredible boss fights that tested all my skills, I thought Genichiro 1 was an incredible skill check. Ishiin is just an endurance slog. I’ll take the Cainhurst boss Jog any day of the week before I have choose to go slug it out with Genichiro for the 40th time just so I can hope to beat the next two forms of the boss so I can practice the 3rd form.
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Aug 2, 2020 15:26
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Bust Rodd posted:Eh, someone in the PS4 thread pointed out that the only other game out this year I care about is CyberPunk 2077, so I’m probably gonna run through Sekiro again because honestly it being the only game I’ve ever given up on in 20 years of gaming feels bad, and I know it’s doable. I hear ya but ghosts of tsuhima is loving awesome
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Aug 2, 2020 15:59
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Yeah I’ll have the Platinum by tonight I’m sure, absolutely my runner up GotY after TLoU2
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Aug 2, 2020 16:26
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TLoU2 was decent but the whole third act felt superfluous and jarring and just tacked on in a way that brought the entire game down, imho
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I think I was really under leveled for the unseen village at level 56, I’ve been very irresponsible about turning in my blood echoes for level ups since getting to the nightmare outdoors. So I went to the lecture hall with 15 brave hunter marks and just grounded up like 200,000 echoes over a few cycles of turning them in and got to level 65. I figured that doorway flooded with a mass of weird scholar bad guys would be an easy way to grind but wow it really is a piggy bank. Like 30 seconds a run with some ash and the flamethrower. I don’t feel guilty about doing this at all.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I think I was really under leveled for the unseen village at level 56, I’ve been very irresponsible about turning in my blood echoes for level ups since getting to the nightmare outdoors. So I went to the lecture hall with 15 brave hunter marks and just grounded up like 200,000 echoes over a few cycles of turning them in and got to level 65. I figured that doorway flooded with a mass of weird scholar bad guys would be an easy way to grind but wow it really is a piggy bank. Like 30 seconds a run with some ash and the flamethrower. That’s a good spot. Unseen Village is more of a From style puzzle area than one you want to clear out. You generally need to constantly be on the move because the enemies respawn unless you kill the bell maiden who is summoning them. You are better off running to the next shortcut and unlocking it than you are trying to clear out enemies. Once you have a shortcut unlocked you can go backwards from there and grab items. I think the best place to grind for echoes in the main game might be in Mergo’s Loft near the very end. There are 3 giant boars that you can kill very easily for ~60,000+ echoes a run. I used to try to avoid them before I realized that when they spot you they turn around and roar which gives you plenty of time to get behind them, backstab, then visceral. That roar animation makes them incredibly easy if you can get close enough to them before getting their attention. Equip all 3 Moon runes (extra echoes) and go to town.
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Captain Oblivious posted:I don’t understand how anyone can reach Isshin and feel like he’s an unapproachable wall. He’s just Genichiro 2.0, Genichiro is the midterm Isshin is the final exam. Both test you on fundamental mechanics knowledge. Also, "just dodge the shots" for Crow is a tough ask (you didn't say it but implied it, someone above you did), especially considering the cost of a single gently caress-up. He just has a whole lot of health for someone so dangerous, and that again means that you have to dodge well for quite a long time.
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yeah i have the same problem with the truly back-breaking stuff in Hollow Knight. It doesn't matter if i can play through Genichiro, ishiin 1 and Ishiin 2 perfectly every time, playing through all 3 of those fights every time just to get to the last boss is exhausting, mentally and physically, and at a certain point I am literally not having fun anymore. I have NEVER gotten that way after any boss in Bloodborne, or honestly any other game for that matter.
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This run I just finished I was really low on hp and stamina cause I was trying to boost bloodtinge and skill as much as possible so nearly every enemy in the later game felt like it could kill me in 1 or 2 hits, it was nice to have both really effective viscerals and high damaging guns though
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bloodborne is not even close to the easiest from software game if you don't ignore the entire endgame where every single boss and many enemies have at least one oneshot attack, often more than one. easiest would probably be demon's souls since most enemies really have no answer to magic. hell, even without magic and ignoring dungeons, I'm not sure I'd say demon's souls is harder than bloodborne, only flamelurker and the king stand out in memory as being notable compared to bosses in from's more recent games. I guess I did know about world tendency ahead of time before I played demon's souls, it would probably be a lot worse if you didn't know to kill yourself in the nexus after every boss or else risk the game becoming much harder for completely uncommunicated reasons.
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Pulcinella posted:That’s a good spot. Haha. Oh man, I had found the second lamp post and found myself in the same area as the time I was thrown in jail (hypogean goal?). My 13 year old son was chilling with me watching me explore around and battle those hugely disgusting body masses in a cart things. Then I walked down to the area where I had picked up the yarghul armor, all, “I’ve been here before it’s no biggie.” Then I saw some large doors at the other end of the big open courtyard. I say offhand to my kid, “oh, I bet there’ll be a boss on the other side of this pla—“ loving cutscene starts playing. loving massive grotesque beast thing falls out of the moon. I couldn’t believe what was happening. Like, I had to deny what was happening. I had 6 health flasks. We were about to leave as a family to go to the river and swim in 10 minutes or so. But I found some stairs, and ran around the upper perimeter killing off all the bell maidens (I have no idea what they would’ve done but I didn’t want to find out). Then I went head to head with that thing. Somehow I stunned it and got a huge attack on it mid-fight. I must’ve broken one of its arms to do that. I figured out all I really had to do was hit and run it’s arms, and get behind a column when it looked like it was about to do its red energy blast. It was tooth and nail and terrifying but before I knew it it was dead! I was literally screaming with excitement. In hindsight, that’s probably a very easy boss. It projects its move set seconds in advance and is easy to get around, and doesn’t have the biggest hp pool. But it felt so so rad to be surprised out of my seat in one moment and completely victorious the next. Also, what a rad boss model. Was it literally an undead dude driving that thing like a war elephant? Also now my kid things I’m a gamer god. I told him a hunter must hunt.
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tears in my eyes, Rasputin, tears in my eyes
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When Gascoigne told you you'd be one of them, sooner or later, he was talking about US
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Blind Rasputin posted:... The lore of The One Reborn is “who the gently caress knows.” The trophies sometimes have a tiny bit extra. For Rom it says something like “Killed Great One: Rom” so Rom was at least presumably a Great One, but the trophy for The One Reborn just says “Killed the One Reborn.” Presumably it was made from the bodies of a bunch of dead Yarhnamites. You see their horrified bodies literally trying to climb up the walls. My theory is the bell maidens are some of the last Pthumerians. The One Reborn was their attempt to create a physical body for either Mergo or Odeon to inhabit but either hosed it up, it didn’t work, or Mergo or Odeon couldn’t or didn’t want to inhabit the body so it’s mostly just a mindless monster made of corpses. Also the School of Mensis struck some kind of deal with the bell maidens for their help in transcending humanity but they were played for fools and sacrificed. “Oh yeah put this stupid cage on your head. It will total help you transcend human consciousness *snickers*”
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The One Reborn's spellcasting lines sound cool as poo poo
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Pulcinella posted:The lore of The One Reborn is “who the gently caress knows.” The trophies sometimes have a tiny bit extra. For Rom it says something like “Killed Great One: Rom” so Rom was at least presumably a Great One, but the trophy for The One Reborn just says “Killed the One Reborn.” Presumably it was made from the bodies of a bunch of dead Yarhnamites. You see their horrified bodies literally trying to climb up the walls. Pretty much my thoughts, with the addition that the whole reason they even deploy that thing is as a desperation move, you pop into the Unseen Village out of nowhere and proceed to just carve your way through what forces they already had in the area, they just didn't have enough time to summon reinforcements from the labyrinth, otherwise you probably would have had to face a small army of Chalice Dungeon bosses considering how important the Mensis Ritual is for them
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Could you all expand on what the Mensis is, the bell ringers, etc? I think I understand that the Pthumerians are like an ancient civilization of giants or something? That a bunch of things in the game descend from? Where are the giant amygdala spiders from?
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drrockso20 posted:Pretty much my thoughts, with the addition that the whole reason they even deploy that thing is as a desperation move, you pop into the Unseen Village out of nowhere and proceed to just carve your way through what forces they already had in the area, they just didn't have enough time to summon reinforcements from the labyrinth, otherwise you probably would have had to face a small army of Chalice Dungeon bosses considering how important the Mensis Ritual is for them One thing i wish they had cleared up was the timing of the mensis ritual. I think the default or simplest explanation is that it happens around the time you kill Rom. But the bodies and such around the area are petrified and the area looks to have been in its present state for a long time. But on the other hand, Yarnham was a still a mostly functioning town of presumably thousands of people before the Hunt begins. As secretive as the Church is, i doubt they could hide something like that for long, and even the Yarnhamites would be freaked out by that.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Could you all expand on what the Mensis is, the bell ringers, etc? I think I understand that the Pthumerians are like an ancient civilization of giants or something? That a bunch of things in the game descend from? Where are the giant amygdala spiders from? The School of Mensis are one of two offshoots of the Healing Church, which has split in recent years (after the Hurning of Old Yharnam). They believe that the research of Willem and Byrgenwerth should be revisited, and at some point are infiltrated or make a deal with the Pthumerian Civilisation, who guide them into a bunch of Pthumerian Rituals and contacting Mergo. Contacting Mergo is the Mensis’ Ritual, and Rom is blocking it from fully completing. Once the block is gone contact is made and everything goes to poo poo from the energies involved. This would be where the petrification happens as people flee whatever ritual energy is flooding the city. The Pthumerians were humans, but they also worshipped/protected the Great Ones and were granted blood in return, which let them become superhuman. Eventually a Queen of theirs made a pact with Oedon to bear his child and this leads to the downfall of their civilisation, presumably from infighting and the Queen needing to kill her own people for the required Blood Dregs. The giant spiders are presumably just blood mutations like the crows and dogs, although they only show up in Nightmare zones now that I think of it so they could just be awful nightmare constructs.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Could you all expand on what the Mensis is, the bell ringers, etc? I think I understand that the Pthumerians are like an ancient civilization of giants or something? That a bunch of things in the game descend from? Where are the giant amygdala spiders from? Somebody liberate this guy from his wild curiosity already. Spoilers should be left well alone.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Could you all expand on what the Mensis is, the bell ringers, etc? I think I understand that the Pthumerians are like an ancient civilization of giants or something? That a bunch of things in the game descend from? Where are the giant amygdala spiders from? Honestly? I'd just wait until you finish the game once, and then watch a YT video about the lore, otherwise there are going to be spoilers.
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Skrill.exe posted:Somebody liberate this guy from his wild curiosity already. Spoilers should be left well alone. Hey, he's just trying to line the inside of his brain with eyes.
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Oh is this stuff actually well answered during the game? Lol this game hasn’t told me poo poo so far. Oedin isn’t.. Odin is it? That’s too much. Plus, I killed a bunch of his relatives and friends over in god of war so they got a thing coming if they’re in Yharnam too.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Oh is this stuff actually well answered during the game? Lol this game hasn’t told me poo poo so far. Oedin isn’t.. Odin is it? That’s too much. Plus, I killed a bunch of his relatives and friends over in god of war so they got a thing coming if they’re in Yharnam too. Errr, no. Odeon is a great one, who's figured out how to exist without any physical form. And I know it's confusing, but the pieces are all there, they're just not going to hand them to you in a cutscene. Putting them together is a pain in the rear end, so watching someone else who's done it for you once you finish the game is a good way to go. And the only reason i'm saying "after you finish the game" is because the lore spoils some things you haven't gotten to yet. We Got Us A Bread fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Aug 3, 2020 |
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Blind Rasputin posted:Oh is this stuff actually well answered during the game? Lol this game hasn’t told me poo poo so far. Oedin isn’t.. Odin is it? That’s too much. Plus, I killed a bunch of his relatives and friends over in god of war so they got a thing coming if they’re in Yharnam too. A good bit is answered, in the typical From method of item descriptions, world design, and the rare cutscene or NPC interaction. There are bits that are not fully explained though, which is the current topic of discussion.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:One thing i wish they had cleared up was the timing of the mensis ritual. I think the default or simplest explanation is that it happens around the time you kill Rom. But the bodies and such around the area are petrified and the area looks to have been in its present state for a long time. But on the other hand, Yarnham was a still a mostly functioning town of presumably thousands of people before the Hunt begins. As secretive as the Church is, i doubt they could hide something like that for long, and even the Yarnhamites would be freaked out by that. Way I see it, time is screwy in Yharnham, first because of Rom and then because of the Paleblood Sky(and in the parts where the moon doesn't change because they've already begun falling into the Dream for various reasons)
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Blind Rasputin posted:Oh is this stuff actually well answered during the game? Lol this game hasn’t told me poo poo so far. Oedin isn’t.. Odin is it? That’s too much. Plus, I killed a bunch of his relatives and friends over in god of war so they got a thing coming if they’re in Yharnam too. The mensis stuff is never fully explained and I've never really been satisfied with anyone's theories about it. But don't worry too much
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