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in true ms fashion, sa has shuttered the old thread for not working right, opting to fully back the new version instead
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Boiled Water posted:it's sad because if handled better it could have been a good phone ecosystem all they had to do was literally not abandon entire generations of the device twice in a row why write an app for a platform that doesn't have compatibility between immediately adjacent versions?
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Oct 10, 2017 16:02
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duTrieux. posted:all they had to do was literally not abandon entire generations of the device twice in a row it didn't help that they didn't allow native code apps until winphone8. ms: "hey everyone wp7 is here, now get to work rewriting all of your apps in c# for a phone with no market share!" everyone else: "lol gently caress you no"
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Oct 10, 2017 16:13
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unofficial microsoft pr company the verge has a sloppy drunk love letter about how win pho was a "glorious failure" that just happens to gloss over the fact that it was half baked when it came out and basically blames google for not making a youtube app and not, say, the three different sets of dev tools and architecture three times in four years with no upgrade path for devices effectively punishing all their early adopters
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Oct 10, 2017 16:15
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but they tried really really hard qirex, and thats whats important!
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Microsoft is good again.
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qirex posted:unofficial microsoft pr company the verge has a sloppy drunk love letter about how win pho was a "glorious failure" that just happens to gloss over the fact that it was half baked when it came out and basically blames google for not making a youtube app and not, say, the three different sets of dev tools and architecture three times in four years with no upgrade path for devices effectively punishing all their early adopters it has nothing to do with dev tools since most stuff just worked from version to version if you were using it properly and migrating from one to the other is not a big deal. The problem was nobody bought the phones so nobody wanted to write apps for it which meant nobody bought the phones. also nobody cares about a youtube app, what they wanted was things like bank apps and airline apps that actually provide benefit over a terrible website and those were never on any version of win phone
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Shaggar posted:also nobody cares about a youtube app uh
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Oct 10, 2017 16:25
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thats a really lazy shaggaring
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Oct 10, 2017 16:26
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Microsoft is doing cool stuff with hardware backed authentication that will actually be relevant
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Oct 10, 2017 16:31
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the youtube app for ios was awful, idk anyone who used it over the slightly less awful website. nowdays they may be equally awful idk
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Oct 10, 2017 16:39
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Shaggar posted:the youtube app for ios was awful, idk anyone who used it over the slightly less awful website. nowdays they may be equally awful idk not saying it is good (it isn't), but it's incredibly important to have on a platform that normal human beings are supposed to use. same with snapchat, etc
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Oct 10, 2017 16:43
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gotta go with shaggar on this one, the yt app is trash
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:cool thank u for ironic detachment I will really think on these salient points you have definitely made lol if u think this is a debate
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Oct 10, 2017 16:45
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Zam Wesell posted:not saying it is good (it isn't), but it's incredibly important to have on a platform that normal human beings are supposed to use. same with snapchat, etc snapchat sure because access to native APIs is critical for its functionality. youtube.app on ios was a dumpster fire worse than the website in every single way. even if it was identical to the website, it provides no benefit. The problem with winphone wasn't no youtube app, it was no Instagram app or updates for years.
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Oct 10, 2017 16:46
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the problem was that there weren't any apps that people use. which apps fall into that grouping are up for debate. let's not miss the forest for the, um, apps? whatever, fiuccccccccc
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Oct 10, 2017 16:49
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i wonder when the surface line of products will be discontinued in favor of almost the same kind of tablets.
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oh, youtube still works in the browser on winpho? then yeah, gently caress the app
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it works better in Edge on winphone than in safari or the youtube app on ios. but its a bad example for what apps were missing was all I'm saying. its not an app people need where something like Instagram or snapchat need to be an app and on winphone they were never kept up to date.
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Oct 10, 2017 16:53
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ok, I agree then
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duTrieux. posted:the problem was that there weren't any apps that people use. which apps fall into that grouping are up for debate. let's not miss the forest for the, um, apps? whatever, fiuccccccccc don't miss the toilet for the turds
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Oct 10, 2017 17:14
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my point was that they burned all the remaining sliver of goodwill [and the several bil on awful advertisements] by making 7 phones not able to run 8, and 8 phones not able to run 10; I believe there were even some 8 phones that didn't get 8.1 that drags on developers too because even if it's all visual studio you still need to test on multiple separate devices, each with less marketshare than the last
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Oct 10, 2017 17:23
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qirex posted:my point was that they burned all the remaining sliver of goodwill [and the several bil on awful advertisements] by making 7 phones not able to run 8, and 8 phones not able to run 10; I believe there were even some 8 phones that didn't get 8.1 that drags on developers too because even if it's all visual studio you still need to test on multiple separate devices, each with less marketshare than the last They sure got the divide part right, but seems they failed on the execution of conquer.
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Oct 10, 2017 17:37
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yeah, i am certainly more on the bungling side than the lack-of-apps side here, the 8.1 market share was shaping up nicely, and most really critical apps did make it across in those more optimistic days. my example about my bank very specifically does still have an up-to-date wp app, the point is rather that microsoft has no more chances to make it back when they let such remaining footholds now rot perhaps the in practice most relevant aspect of the matter, though, is that all of the mobile web will continue down the path of being very webkit-specific, and apps getting built against webkit webviews and electron and so on will continue to be the normal (rather than trying to generalize across a broader web). depending on ones view that may not be entirely bad, but, eh, i doubt it will turn out well in the long run
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dont be mean to me posted:wouldn't be the first time shouldn't that be the time-machines-were-us club? 
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peter "i cum in my cheerios" bright has a decent retrospective on how they hosed up over and over again despite occasionally having some good ideas tl;dr: yeah, like everyone else has said, being three years late to market with half-baked features and rebooting the platform twice didn't help. but the bigger issue was their licensing model for oems. they couldn't compete with google
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:perhaps the in practice most relevant aspect of the matter, though, is that all of the mobile web will continue down the path of being very webkit-specific, and apps getting built against webkit webviews and electron and so on will continue to be the normal (rather than trying to generalize across a broader web). depending on ones view that may not be entirely bad, but, eh, i doubt it will turn out well in the long run
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infernal machines posted:tl;dr: yeah, like everyone else has said, being three years late to market with half-baked features and rebooting the platform twice didn't help. but the bigger issue was their licensing model for oems. they couldn't compete with google
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infernal machines posted:peter "i cum in my cheerios" bright lmao what
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i can't be arsed to look for it but there was an old forum post or something where he said he jizzed in his cereal once.
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qirex posted:yeah "it's like android except it costs money and nobody uses it" wasn't a super good value proposition to companies making like $3/phone, they might have had a chance if it was free for oems from day 1 it's like they thought the smartphone market was identical to the pc market of the 80s/90s, except someone was already giving away an os, and had been for three years before they showed up. and of course it's not as if they had backwards compatibility with winmo stuff to hang their hat on, so they were starting from 0 marketshare
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yeah winphone should have been 1st party hardware from the start.
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infernal machines posted:i can't be arsed to look for it but there was an old forum post or something where he said he jizzed in his cereal once. count chuckula e: wait no, cinnamon tossed crunch
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Oct 10, 2017 18:09
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flakeloaf posted:count chuckula deez grape nuts
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Oct 10, 2017 18:10
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qirex posted:deez grape nuts
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Nuttin' Honey
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It doesn't help that the "metro" design language really didn't translate well outside of the Zune player. Remember when Visual Studio started doing all-caps on their menu items because it was "metro"? lol
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infernal machines posted:i can't be arsed to look for it lmbo
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qirex posted:deez grape nuts
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actually the reason winpho series 10 phone for windows phone failed is because it doesnt have a keyboard so its not a good email machine
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