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Atlas Hugged posted:It's pretty funny that the only guy who legit likes these books will post the least about them. Re-reads the books 10+ times, cannot engage with anyone asking genuine questions about the flaws of the book, proudly proclaims that they will re-read the books again rather then read something new to prove a point. Pretty sure that's Rothfuss' core audience. I enjoyed the books when reading them, thought there might be something good about them (but wow did Wise Man's Fear bring up some hosed up things I could not defend), but after reading what other people brought up and discussed came to realize yeah I enjoyed the books as a binge read but only because the books are the lowest common denominator of genre fiction and bring nothing new or unique to the concept other then a fault-less hero and terrible characterization of women from an ardent, self proclaimed feminist. It's one thing to read a book absent of the opinions and views of its author. Sure tons of famous fantasy/SF authors turned out to be horrible human beings, but it's not like Marion Zimmer Bradley wrote into her books how it was okay to sanction and participate in the abuse of children or Orson Scott Card wrote a bunch of stuff about brutalizing and killing gay people, so you could still enjoy the core content of what they wrote without being fed their own personal hosed up life ideas. Rothfuss however has gone all in on his feminism ideology so once you know that and read his books its more like holy gently caress you are writing and constructing these characters to completely agree with your half formed ideas about women but in reality its toxic as gently caress and should not be endorsed or celebrated. Having a borderline escort as the main love interest is fine except Kvothe is always a hair away from calling her a whore for not truly appreciating his skills and the time he puts in to her.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I grinned, and then grinned more when jivjov shamefully closed his stump imitation of my OP. Or he can comment on how his 13th reading of the books is coming along.
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Oct 10, 2017 04:44
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Tamba posted:He'll accidentally kill the king, making Ambrose the next king. Tha't enough to turn anyone into a depressed innkeeper. Everyone drinking the kool-aid was all on board with Rothfuss having some master plan and "unreliable narrator" being a possible twist but after 10 years of learning more and more about the person Rothfuss is only the die hard fans who blindly reject any form of criticism are still clinging to the meager fantasy that Rothfuss is actually a competent writer.
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Oct 26, 2017 20:42
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latinotwink1997 posted:This thread is like the written form of that pretentious douche from Good Will Hunting that gets slammed on by Matt Damon. Biggest circle jerk ever with no redeeming discussion on a bad book. Thread should be closed and stop taking up TBB space. Except this time the Matt Damon expy starts making GBS threads his pants and running around in circles screaming "I'M THE WINNER YOU CAN'T PROVE OTHERWISE"
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eXXon posted:I didn't dislike Name of the Wind much at first. I thought the pacing was off, and some of the dialog was certainly insipid, but I kept going based on the overwhelming praise it received assuming that interesting things would happen. It was more by the time I got to the end and read those pages of horse bartering and country bumpkin talk and the blue fire that was definitely a sign of the Chandrian but then was actually a dragon not related to the Chandrian but still the Chandrian had actually been there and left a clue... or did they? Well, that's when I realized the payof wasn't coming and started to think about what I'd actually read. I briefly considered reading the second book but the plot summary is enough for me. The original Black Company trilogy is pretty good for what it is, and despite the sequels its a complete story you can read and enjoy in its entirety without last chapter reveals or dangling plot hooks. Past that it starts getting...weird, but fun for the most part, and Glen Cook clearly didnt want to let the franchise go and kept writing more convulated situations and plots.
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So It Goes posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/87h2uf/patrick_rothfuss_released_the_name_of_the_wind_11/?st=JF9ZTB7L&sh=a8030292 There is a weird fascination with the books that I succumbed to for a while as well. I remember giving to a friend who reads way more and much more diverse books then I do (same person who gave me a copy of Shadows & Claws) and he said it wasn't great which really surprised me at the time. It make sense now that someone who seeks out and reads things like Book of the New Sun, Gormenghast, and good nonfiction books too would have a pretty good sense of the real quality of fantasy writing. Looking back, the body of work he had to compare it too paints Rothfuss as a low level talent who's writing books that appeal to people's basic desires for what they want from a book and doing it well. It's like a typical OC Mary Sue fanfiction where nothing bad ever happens to the main character who also somehow is a charming rogue who can do everything he tries and has tons of "then everyone stood up and clapped" moments where he dunks on 1-dimensional villains who do things like bringing the girl the Kvothe is crushing on to his musical performance, then try to sabotage the performance, only to have Kvothe pull out a master level reversal and show how great he is. The books are fun if you like them, but they cannot stand up to to an average level of critical discourse. They are basically the harlequin romance equivalent of fantasy books, where it ticks off all the things people want to read without challenging or upsetting them for a more complex overall narrative. If you actually read some of the comments further done, many of them are "yeah NOTW was great when I read it, but WMF wasn't and all of a sudden looking back NOTW isn't that good" so its pretty likely that in 10-15 years Rothfuss is just another mid level fantasy writer with 2(maybe 3) books to his name that never made waves or brought something new to the genre.
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Stuporstar posted:"But it has such a comprehensive magic system!" = fastest way to make me run far in the opposite direction. As much as I like rules and order, the more magic is explained the worse it is as a plot device. It's better to just present magic as is, and try not to contradict yourself. Even Harry Potter, which once you start trying to define and quantify it everything falls apart, manages to make it work because the magic is just introduced to drive things along and nothing is inherently contradictory or something you can just ignore for the sake of the story and characters.
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Kchama posted:Wow. Amaze us with your wonderfully new storytelling techniques. Gee, like the weird spider creatures that Kote fought off, or the fact his name is Kote, or why Bast is hanging around, or why he's called Kingkiller, or why he nearly threw a fit when the archivist mentioned 'the woman', or why he can't open that box of his? I get the ego of success, but writing in things you plan to explain the how/why later is not some new invention.
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Oct 9, 2018 22:54
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Ccs posted:I wonder if when the first book was published he actually gave the publisher drafts of all 3 and if this waiting is just while he tries to make it better because maybe the draft was weak. But that doesn't explain how the pacing can be so bad in the first 2. Or did he just tell the publisher that he had drafts of all 3 books before getting published when he only had very basic outlines or less? The entire story was allegedly one draft he submitted to a publisher. The publisher loved it so much they wanted it split it into 3 books. That was 12 years ago. This was told by the same person who said the pizza delivery guy recognized his stick game and gushed over how great it was. It's more likely its like a "Frank Herbert left tons of notes, partial drafts etc." that Brian Herbert told the world when he and Kevin J Anderson started making GBS threads out a bunch of Dune novels but in reality it didn't really exist. Whatever Rothfuss has in 2005 was probably poo poo and since then he's just been stroking his own ego, basking in his "true author" nerd cred, and taking any opportunity he can to join Kickstarter campaigns as a featured writer.
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Oct 14, 2018 03:50
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Ornamented Death posted:I'd argue Rothfuss has a lot of hustle, it's just all dedicated to doing anything other than writing book 3. Seems to love any chance to write with or for famous sci to fantasy writers/developers. Didnt he write a character for Torment that was actually not bad just sort of bland and 1 dimensional? I also think some of his attemepted participation fell flat. Wasnt Rothfuss one of the people who lost a large sum of money in the handcrafted wooden gaming tables too?
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Oct 18, 2018 00:41
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Solice Kirsk posted:I thought some of those tables were pretty neat. Unfortunately I have never really been into RPGs and the tables seemed a bit overkill for having 5 of my friends sit around it chugging IPAs and swearing at each other while cheating at Risk. I'd love more details on how that company crashed and burned. Allegedly they had tons of pre-orders people signing up for waitlists etc. so clearly they either didn't charge enough or actually couldn't make the tables in any sort of production capacity.
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Oct 18, 2018 03:38
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Kchama posted:It's so pretentious and smug that basically in the end what can you expect but Smug And Pretentious Harry Potter? Its basically a toned down version of that Yudizowsy Harry Potter fanfic.
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Nov 3, 2018 20:46
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Without me, people would still be arguing with jivjov about whether or not they're entitled to another book. As entertaining as those exchanges were its more a sign of a broke brain person who touts their achievement of re-reading a book 13 times and then says they'll re-read it again out of spite. Trying to then also claim about how well spoken they are and how they've 'raised' the level of discussion in the amiibo thread is also a red flag.
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Nov 4, 2018 18:27
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pentyne posted:As entertaining as those exchanges were its more a sign of a broke brain person who touts their achievement of re-reading a book 13 times and then says they'll re-read it again out of spite.
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Nov 4, 2018 18:29
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Grenrow posted:What world do you live in where the kind of milquetoast poo poo these guys say in public counts as rabidly "femanist" From his very first moment in the public awareness Rothfuss has been proclaiming how much of a feminist he is and how strong he stands with other feminists. Like he was trying to make himself the main celeb feminist fantasy author in a traditonally male dominated field. Its basically the modern take on a "white knight" someone who cant help but express how much they love feminism and female empowerment while at the same time still holding misogynistic perceptions and opinions but hand waving them away as it being okay because they support the struggle. His ego comes into play as well; there was that ancedote of him at a writers forum offering a piece of a short story for critique but said no one could critique the words, grammar, etc since he had worked it to perfection.
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Nov 4, 2018 23:51
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Torrannor posted:That's a strange complaint. No matter how much GoT changed the fantasy genre, it's not half as influential as LotR. Additionally, the Middle-earth setting is very popular, as seen in the success of the LotR and The Hobbit films, or games like Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor. That's a big market to be tapped, and I doubt a series in that setting does badly if it's halfway decently done. Did GoT really change anything? At best it took the typical mid/low fantasy setting and meshed it with the kind of shady politics and terrible acts that dark ages Europe was famous for. Even the whole 4-7 kings civil war was heavily rooted in the various conflicts in England and France for the crown among the upper nobility. As someone who read a lot of historical fiction set in the 800-1100s there's nothing in GoT that wasn't extremely commonplace in historical record. Maybe I don't have a good grasp on how dismal the fantasy scene was in the late 90s. Aside from Wheel of Time and Sword of Truth I can't remember anything major topping the best seller lists or getting front shelf display in Borders.
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Benson Cunningham posted:Compared to Gormenghast? Sure. BoTL is pretty explicit in why Abercrombie is "bad". Even comparing him to worse authors is pointless when the things about the book that weaken it are intrinsic to the genre and something very few authors care about to improve on.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:46
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Fun question: Has anyone gone over what Rothfuss wrote for Tides of Numenora? That was a big deal to him and he was a big part of the KS campaign. I kind of wonder if Rothfuss is one of those creative minds who excel best under a good director/editor reigning in his worst excesses like Kurt Sutter. FYI Kurt Sutter was one of the writers on The Shield, a big part of the show's success, and got his own show Sons of Anarchy. There are articles or stories about the head writer for The Shield talking about how great Sutter could be but also that he would be super enthusiastic about some ideas he'd pitch to the writer's room that everyone listening would go dead silent and think "holy gently caress what is going on in his head?" and then bring him back to reality and get some great work.
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Dec 23, 2018 06:07
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It's hard to pick, but what is the best written female character in the series?
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Feb 4, 2019 02:52
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The best magic is the magic of friends- There is no good magic. Ever.
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Feb 16, 2019 04:17
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ElGroucho posted:His novellas are better than his novels and his short stories are better than his novellas I'm curious as to what level he actually sits at. I'm not cruel enough to say Rothfuss and Kevin J Anderson are on the same level, but I'm hard pressed to think of a comparable writer to match against Rothfuss. From what context and background I'm familiar with I'd go with David "The name of the main French Republic expy villain is Rob S Pierre" Weber.
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Feb 26, 2019 19:27
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Solice Kirsk posted:Can someone explain that to me? Are they saying he isn't criticized because he has a bunch of friends? Possibly. Given the tales of his behavior at cons and how rude he was to LMM he's probably been swimming in a cloud of invincibility for a decade+ now and getting away with it scot free. It's weird, because the examples posted here are examples of bad female characters. That's nothing bad, Asimov is famous for bland poorly written female characters its just part of the whole package. But since Rothfuss is a ~feminist~ his female characters and depictions of sex must be uber good and beyond critique so anyone trying to break it down and comment is just written off as "not getting it".
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Jul 21, 2019 04:11
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Patware posted:red letter media, you're under arrest for not being 100% woke "Wording it better" is kind of like the excuse of "well it's only because you messed up and confused me" and putting the blame on her for people getting pseudo outraged that a women said something. I like explain it the chuds I know by pointing out there actually isn't anything wrong with it, and if someone is a hypocrite you can just say that and not attack feminist ideas or make it a gender thing. White feminism being a thing doesnt even need to be "white men cant talk about it" the whole advantaged white females banding together to solve/address society's problems is as old as America. In the 1900s it was them insisting on Prohibition, in the 1800s it was them deciding how the Native tribes needed to "civilized" and in the 1700s....I don't know but probably something about patronizing treatment of slavery.
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Patware posted:rothfuss looks like he wears a fanny pack and there is always some cheese in it Cheese is likely the most innocuous thing is his pack. Asking con girls to follow him up to his room for ice cream does not sound like someone who's just looking for pleasant chat.
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Huh, so the books can be read more as a mash up of a DM putting together a bunch of half baked lore in their self written campaign and their "avatar" character who is the focus of all the epic stories. It kind of makes more sense now.
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Showtime passed https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/lin-manuel-mirandas-kingkiller-chronicle-being-shopped-showtime-pass-1239819 quote:Lin-Manuel Miranda's Kingkiller Chronicle is on the move. Repost about Rothfuss wrt business and professionalism. al-azad posted:So uh I’m quoting this 2 month old post to say that Rothfuss is indeed a creepy weirdo. I was at a convention and a recent acquaintance, a woman half his age, geeked out upon meeting him and invited him to sit and talk at a table with other fans. He offered her a private chat in his hotel room with the promise of ice cream. She says no at which point he promptly about faces leaving a trail of dust and beard hair behind him, just total cold shoulder. pentyne fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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dudeness posted:The only characters from a generation before I can even name are Kvothe's parents. There just isn't anything there. It's all in Kvothe's dumb story. Well his mom is apparently the sister of The Duke's noble wife since she raised such a fuss over the Ruh stealing her sister from the family.
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Ornamented Death posted:There have been random social media posts through the years of one author signing books by another author. The key difference in literally every single one of those cases was that someone purchased the book prior to the signing and it was done tongue-in-cheek. Rothfuss, being a consummate moron, missed the point and is instead a complete dick. In case anyone doesn't remember, it's not that Rothfuss was signing his name in books for people, he walked into a bookstore and started picking up copies of books that he didn't write to sign his name in and put it back on the shelf. And then bragged about it on twitter how excited people would be to see his signature when they bought the book. The bookstore should've removed all the books he signed and sent him a bill for the store property that he defaced.
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Sep 30, 2019 04:44
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Benson Cunningham posted:Rothfuss can write lyrically. I don't think there is a great argument against that. His issue has always been content. He seems like a proficient technical writer. What defines "lyrically" and how is it effective as a style in prose compared to music? I thought the same too, until you start looking at it from a critical perspective and then it comes off like a guy huffing his own farts about how poetic he is and writing some tumblr level purple prose. I knew someone who was an aspiring author who worked with an editor. At one point the editor marked a passage comparing a hippo wallowing in mud to something. The editor asked if he had ever actually seen a hippo wallow in mud, and when he got a "no" told the author to cut that part since he is trying to use descriptions of something he's never seen. It's like that for Rothfuss, only the editor asked "Is Denna and Kvothes creepy dynamic based on something real" and Rothfuss starts ranting about that whore from High School and The Hobbit and the editor quietly backs away and writes "No notes" on the page. pentyne fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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Kchama posted:'fuckable' and 'not fuckable' and oh boy does it get creepy in Wise Man's Fear. I don't recall any named women characters catergorized as "not-fuckable" they all wanted his dick including the ones who immediately want to gently caress him after he saves them from a troupe of gang rapists.
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Jan 27, 2020 21:46
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Captain Hotbutt posted:A few people in the podcast comments section are saying Rothfuss should be apologized to because he was just making an analogy and not being a weird creep. By this point his core fans are neck deep in the kool-aid and anytime that Rothfuss opens his mouth and naturally reveals his completely hosed up views on  they have to defend him by excusing away what he does with the "well technically" line of logic.
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MoonBoots posted:It was so perfect that he got called out for the sexism of it and then, right before the end of the episode, they revisited and decided that he was actually being a little bit racist too! He's someone that took 7 years to finish a bachelors English degree and talks like he wrote the book on literature as fine art. That he has other opinions wildly inconsistent with actual education/experience and self awareness tracks. I would not be surprised to see him jump in on a "technically not underage" argument in defense of all men (in his mind). Does this thread have the posting where someone talked about how Rothfuss torches bridges and personal networking because of his ego and attitude? Like they implied that Rothfuss was dismissive and disrespectful to LMM during meetings about the Kingkiller adaption.
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Benson Cunningham posted:Patrick Rothfuss is an incel who retired from writing after he was cuckolded by his own protagonist. I guess book three would take longer if he was writing it one-handed.
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Kchama posted:Yes, exactly. And it's so obviously set up because it's basically the only time in the books that two women are interacting by themselves. I don't even remember that because every time Kvothe sees Denna Rothfuss is vacillating between "pure unrelenting true love of equals" and "WHORE WHORE WHORE YOU loving WHORE"
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I just want to remind everyone that Rothfuss is/has been obsessed with some girl from high school for nigh on 25 years now. With that context, literally the first section of Name of the Wind has the chronicler mention "the woman" and Kote goes murderously silent and Bast gets all freaked out by it. I really wonder what Rothfuss' wife feels about these things. pentyne fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Feb 11, 2020 |
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Planescape is just as tortuously overwritten, but actually manages to be about stuff. Numenera is completely bogged down by its need to be portentous and meaningful. Planescape seems like a competent writing team drafted an outline, set a goal, and worked towards a functional, coherent product. Numenora is more like a creative writing class trying to out mystify each other with ever elaborate fictional inventions while huffing their own farts..
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The game isn't that far off from the source. Monte Cook was a big name in Dnd since the early 90s but Numenora was him taking every idea he had and jamming them into his idea of a perfect game. Like many talented creatives, when put in sole charge of a product and given full control they indulge all their excesses and bad habits because no one is there to say "sure its detailed and intricate, but is it fun?"
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Uh, on the contrary, Telling men to shave their long gross facial hair has been a major thing to help reduce the spread of covid-19. And he's touching his face. Can't wait for the long dramatic "my life almost ended" blog post and his new excuse for not finishing book 3.
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StonecutterJoe posted:Super-expensive custom furniture for a small, niche audience? Why, I can't imagine how anyone could lose money on a great investment like that! Business wise the demand was insane, because people went nuts and pre-ordered all these expensive custom pieces. There's no reason the company should've imploded like that unless the owners were complete loving morons. Spoiler Alert: They were https://www.heraldnet.com/business/geek-chic-maker-of-high-end-gaming-furniture-closes/  quote:In a story in 2013, Gifford said his company made $2 million in revenue in 2011, but lost $100,000. The company suffered similar losses in 2012. Uh, I'm just copying what Amazon did, duh. How could I fail?
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