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1stGear posted:So when does something actually start happening cause I'm up to the point where they're practicing reciting poetry and this is all boring anime garbage so far. Keep at it. The game hasn't shown all of its cards yet. But when it does hooooooo boy.
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VolticSurge posted:Keep at it. The game hasn't shown all of its cards yet. But when it does hooooooo boy. gently caress yeah. Speaking of, uh oh, where's Monika?  EDIT: Not dead, apparently. Lame.
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maybe it's different for people who aren't legit into poetry/writing but after the first round of poem-sharing the game honestly became something I would play even without the horror like, the premise is generic as gently caress, but it's still well-written
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Oct 8, 2017 23:14
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Holy poo poo Monika's second poem. Save me. Load me.  BRB, trying all sorts of saving/loading poo poo with the game. Don't think you fooled me with your spiel immediately afterwards either, Monika. 
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Oct 8, 2017 23:21
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I will say this. The best I can say about Visual Novels was, I played VA-11-Hall-A: Cyberpunk Bartending Action, and Pyre (it counts), and that's it. Looking at it from an outsider's perspective, and please correct if i'm wrong, usually the protagonist of a Visual Novel is built solely looking to smash any girl in the lineup, almost getting the player to focus on pleasing said girl, turning it into a binary choice of who you want to gently caress. Gotta say though, through all this cheery music, I'm seeing the obvious flaws in these girls, I know there is something seriously wrong and they're really hurting in some form or another. Looking back at all this right now, I'm really glad I didn't join any loving club in high school. Just keep all those emotions bottled up to yourself. No I'm not drinking
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Fargin Icehole posted:I will say this. The best I can say about Visual Novels was, I played VA-11-Hall-A: Cyberpunk Bartending Action, and Pyre (it counts), and that's it. Welcome to the eroge market! .... There are good visual novels that fall outside of those categories, or otherwise twist them, but ayep, yeppers, that's the eroge market in a nutshell. Fortunately this is one of the good ones.
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Fargin Icehole posted:Looking at it from an outsider's perspective, and please correct if i'm wrong, usually the protagonist of a Visual Novel is built solely looking to smash any girl in the lineup, almost getting the player to focus on pleasing said girl, turning it into a binary choice of who you want to gently caress. This perception has not been lost on visual novel writers and the field as a whole, and I can tell you that many many works have specifically addressed this problem in some way or another. Also, if you feel like your drinking is getting out of control, please get help 
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So you can't gently caress them?
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dangerdoom volvo posted:So you can't gently caress them? Nope. There is no porn in this game, nor is there a porn patch to add to the game, nor is there a place where you can buy a porn patch to add to this game.
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There's no raccoon and no bread, is there? It's gonna be that kind of game, isn't it?  I wonder if a route's focus on wooing a particular girl makes the player character blind to said girl's problems as expressed in their poems. The MC was blindsided by Sayori's poem while he couldn't make sense of Yuri's, at least in my game so far. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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Oct 8, 2017 23:33
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Guess I'm going to be the spoilsport and say this is really loving boring! Glitchy madness and rampant fourth-wall breaking isn't really worth sitting through unending goddamn streams of cliche VN nonsense, particularly when its pretty easy to guess Monika's game as soon as she talks about saving and loading. Cut like half of Act 1 and maybe it would be tolerable but I just found the whole thing deeply uninteresting, even after Sayori killed herself.
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1stGear posted:Guess I'm going to be the spoilsport and say this is really loving boring! Glitchy madness and rampant fourth-wall breaking isn't really worth sitting through unending goddamn streams of cliche VN nonsense, particularly when its pretty easy to guess Monika's game as soon as she talks about saving and loading. Cut like half of Act 1 and maybe it would be tolerable but I just found the whole thing deeply uninteresting, even after Sayori killed herself. At least it was short, then? Sorry you didn't enjoy it.
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1stGear posted:Guess I'm going to be the spoilsport and say this is really loving boring! Glitchy madness and rampant fourth-wall breaking isn't really worth sitting through unending goddamn streams of cliche VN nonsense, particularly when its pretty easy to guess Monika's game as soon as she talks about saving and loading. Cut like half of Act 1 and maybe it would be tolerable but I just found the whole thing deeply uninteresting, even after Sayori killed herself. Take your bad and wrong opinions to GBS. They're more appreciated there.
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1stGear posted:Guess I'm going to be the spoilsport and say this is really loving boring! Glitchy madness and rampant fourth-wall breaking isn't really worth sitting through unending goddamn streams of cliche VN nonsense, particularly when its pretty easy to guess Monika's game as soon as she talks about saving and loading. Cut like half of Act 1 and maybe it would be tolerable but I just found the whole thing deeply uninteresting, even after Sayori killed herself. Not everything is for everyone I guess.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Not everything is for everyone I guess. Pretty much!
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I mean, I kinda get what you're getting at? The game seems to be a very slow burn, and it seems to rely on the explicit "poo poo's gonna get weird ok" of the disclaimer at the start to hook you through the initial poetry part. That said, I'm still really early in the game, so maybe it takes a couple hours to kick in. v v Also important to note that I didn't actually read your spoiler sorry!Sayori you fucker that's not a question I can answer easily! Ugh, I think I know what happens if I choose not to walk home with her, here we go I guess. I hate this part. Uh oh. What's happening to Sayori? Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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So anyway did you guys know that in Japan this game is called Super Mario Bros. 2
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Oh gently caress off Sayori. I hate it when people mope about like this. You're hurting, we know, don't pretend like everything's okay. Just come out with it. So I guess we're going with mundane and psychological. Not at all what I was hoping for, but sure, why not. I wonder if Sayori is always the focus of the game, or if this is because I didn't give her enough attention. I've decided to try and balance the wording in my next playthrough, to see if I'm supposed to be balancing paying attention to each girl. Hahahaha yessssssssss it looks like the game is calling you out for trying to gun for a particular girl. Awesome. Joke's on you game, I just have similar tastes to Yuri. Monika plays an interesting role in this game. She's clearly a foil to the MC, rather than another love interest. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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I've never played a VN game before, are they all this romantic? EDIT: END-END-ENDGAME SPOILERS BELOW I'm now playing the game with Monika deleted. Is this now just a legit VN harem anime barf pile or am I setting myself up for a big fall? dromal phrenia fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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dromal phrenia posted:I've never played a VN game before, are they all this romantic? Depends. Some of them are very romance focused. Some aren't. What kind of stories do you like? I can probably rustle up a few recs. edit for your edit: KEEP GOING StrixNebulosa fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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StrixNebulosa posted:Depends. Some of them are very romance focused. Some aren't. What kind of stories do you like? I can probably rustle up a few recs. Well I really felt like one girl in particular fell in love with me. It went well beyond simply liking my poems. Another EDIT just so I don't doublepost: My Virus Checker (AVAST) popped up twice when I first opened the game. I'm assuming thats because Monika addresses you by your actual name, which requires the game to access files that aren't its own stuff. Who else liked that bit? Fourth-wall-breaking isnt that creepy on its own but when I get personally addressed by a deranged anime girl, it gets into the fun kind of creepy dromal phrenia fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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dromal phrenia posted:EDIT: END-END-ENDGAME SPOILERS BELOW Humans aren't two-dimensional creatures, after all!  I need to ask how you're playing with Monika deleted, because I tried it and just got a very abrupt but suitably unsettling end.
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Pollyanna posted:This game is making me out to be a really awful person. Remember how manipulative she's been. She's now being manipulative towards you. Don't let her gaslight you.
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Really Pants posted:Humans aren't two-dimensional creatures, after all! It's after the third act - have you looked at the wiki? It'll explain how that works.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Remember how manipulative she's been. She's now being manipulative towards you. Don't let her gaslight you. I'm only at the end of I think the third poem reading club activity, but Sayori's gonna jump off a bridge or something, isn't she? Aaaarghhhhhh. Monika you didn't answer the loving question. What did she say. dromal phrenia posted:My Virus Checker (AVAST) popped up twice when I first opened the game. I'm assuming thats because I'm not gonna read that spoiler but oh please please please let this game pull an Irisu Syndrome  Listen, I've spent a lot of time with Yuri, but I think it's unfair and honestly kinda creepy to only ever hang out with her. Let's help Natsuki with the baking. Not to say I want to get away from Yuri! But I think the game would chide me for going with Yuri yet again. Oh. Hmmm, those are some choices. Well, Sayori is kind of feeling down, so I think I should give her some attention, even if she is being lovely right now. Oh, I can't. Alright game, let's play this your way. Sorry Yuri, I think the game would push me into a bad end if I didn't at least spread the attention around a little. EDIT: Not Monika either, huh? Alright, Natsuki it is. loving - this game is just pulling out all sorts of poo poo to make me feel bad, so gently caress it, I'll do what I want to do and gently caress all of you. Especially you, Dan Salvato. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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NewGame++++ or whatever spoilers "I wanted to thank you for getting rid of Monika"    .....
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Post-game spoiler: Has anyone tried deleting firstrun, and then any of the other character files? I know what happens with Monika, but was curious if it did that for any of the other girls.
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"I haven't heard from Sayori since she left the club" I bet she's fuckin dead rear end in a top hat. EDIT: Ohhh, I see what's going on. Ehhh, the execution on this is kind of meh. I've never been a fan of just out-and-out laying it all on the table, makes it feel too very special episode-y. Also the MC is really loving dumb if it took him this long to notice. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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My thoughts on the conclusion of the story and about the VN generally follow so there's lots of spoilers! I liked this VN. Obviously it's a story about depression, well, it's about neuroses. Though I suppose some of that is undermined by Monika claiming in the end to have altered the characters. Important to note that she claims to have amplified the unhealthy parts of who they were rather then fabricating those parts from nothing. See but as much as they're (the girls) all different takes on obsession and misery they do have one unifying characteristic they all ultimately see you as the solution to their problem. The problem with that is you're not, you couldn't be. Sayori hangs herself because not even getting what she wants can fill the void. Monika says "You and I are the only real people here" or something along those lines. That's not true though because, though Monika is shown to be able to manipulate certain things she isn't really any different from the other characters. Absent the monika file Sayori takes on her role and is shown to at least some extent inherit monikas awareness. Monika then reacts by completely breaking the game, because having occupied that role and known that awareness she has become fully aware that it is an obscene burden to be aware that everything around you is fake and that even the obsession with you, the player, can't fill that void. Or maybe the realization she comes to is that you, the player, are not capable of actually giving a poo poo. You can't help but hurt her because you can't actually give her what she wants. One thing they did that I liked was changing the art style on the eyes during particularly intense emotional outbursts on the part of the characters. It's a little hokey looking but I think it's a pretty clever psychological ploy to shift their eyes from that unreal anime style to a more realistic and actually human pair of eyes.
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StrixNebulosa posted:It's after the third act - have you looked at the wiki? It'll explain how that works. I've seen the Creeplord President Sayori ending, and I'd read about how there's a different ending if you've seen every route in the first act; I just wondered if there was more to it.
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Pollyanna posted:"I haven't heard from Sayori since she left the club" I bet she's fuckin dead rear end in a top hat. VolticSurge posted:Take your bad and wrong opinions to GBS. They're more appreciated there.
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Jim Barris posted:My thoughts on the conclusion of the story and about the VN generally follow so there's lots of spoilers! My response to this, again post-game spoilers: I like this take on it. Neuroses, mental illnesses - when something's broken in your head, if you don't manage it carefully, it's going to get worse. Trying to "cure" yourself with another person won't work, because the problem is with yourself, in the end. I played the Yuri route twice, and - well, the first time through it was a good depiction of anxiety and social awkwardness. You can get better at interacting with other people by interacting with other people, and if you get someone who's easy to talk to, that speeds up the process. But if you exacerbate the anxiety - like Monika did, where she made it extreme - it can devolve into obsession with the one "safe" person you interact with, paranoia regarding other people, and so on. I can relate with that - I mean, not to that crazy extent, but highschool me would get paranoid about my friends, thinking they were leaving - and so I'd cling harder to them. So to speak. I'm better now, but - yeah, it rings true. In Monika's case, I'm... not sure how to feel about her. Her lack of regard for the others, even if they're just programs, showed a fundamental lack of empathy that made it really difficult to ever feel sad for her. But there it is: when she goes to dangerous extremes to try and get what she wants, it's all thrown out of whack. Obsession will destroy everything, even what you want. If she hadn't been so violent about trying to get a route for herself, and instead tried to shape the game so she could be a "true" route instead of a nightmare route - well. It wasn't to be.
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Why the gently caress is the MC creeping on Natsuki now? God loving dammit, gently caress you game. "You can't act and dress like this and not expect me to think you're cute" ughhhhh no none of this poo poo please. I really regret naming the MC after myself. I was already miffed when the MC ended up being male but this is just bothersome. Oh gently caress off. Caring for someone and their wellbeing doesn't mean that it must be romantic interest as well. I still don't know if the game is intentionally playing this up or what, but I hate that poo poo. Yes, I'm at that choice, how did you know? "Please trust me that I know what's best and what will make you happy in the end" Gross dude. What are you, Monika? Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Endorph posted:this game has some neat ideas but ultimately isn't as good as an average actual harem visual novel Unfortunately, so far, I kind of agree. That may change, but this is starting to drag towards the middle. EDIT: I reached that scene, ahahaha this isn't really having the impact the developer thought it would. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Endorph posted:this game has some neat ideas but ultimately isn't as good as an average actual harem visual novel What would you consider to be a good VN, oh all-knowing one?
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VolticSurge posted:What would you consider to be a good VN, oh all-knowing one?
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Ohhhhh ahahaha okay here we go. Just got to the title screen after the uhh...bad end, we'll call it? Now this is getting good. Let's just hope it keeps this up.
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Pollyanna posted:Ohhhhh ahahaha okay here we go. Just got to the title screen after the uhh...bad end, we'll call it? Now this is getting good. Let's just hope it keeps this up.
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