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Double Punctuation posted:Hell, she’s probably the most stable one period, glitches aside. She reacts like a real abuse victim without other mental issues would, and she hasn’t had a breakdown yet. I don't even think all the glitches are properly glitches. The "harshtext" like we just saw with Yuri telling Natsuki off could just as likely be a layer of cognition peeled back; sometimes when you're in a bad way you just read that sort of thing between the lines of otherwise innocuous statements that people make to you.
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Mister Olympus posted:I don't even think all the glitches are properly glitches. The "harshtext" like we just saw with Yuri telling Natsuki off could just as likely be a layer of cognition peeled back; sometimes when you're in a bad way you just read that sort of thing between the lines of otherwise innocuous statements that people make to you. It had to be something like that, considering Natsuki seemed pretty upset.
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You guys, I think she likes us!  Yuri
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Only one to think the Yuri stare is a deliberate reference to that overly attached girlfriend meme? Monika.
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Roar posted:Why she's cutting in the hallway of the school - or, allegedly, in our living room back in the first timeline - is something I can't explain to you.[/b] I'm starting to get the impression that Yuri's cutting is something sexual. I kinda hope I'm wrong, but the way this game is going, I think I'm not.
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ultrafilter posted:I'm starting to get the impression that Yuri's cutting is something sexual. I kinda hope I'm wrong, but the way this game is going, I think I'm not. I'm sorry to tell you that cutting has always had a masturbatory element to it. It's a physical act which can relieve stress by intentionally releasing feel-good chemicals in the brain. If the game goes there, it's only because it's a natural extension of how cutting works. wait does that mean yuri basically masturbated in our bedroom
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dancingbears posted:I'm sorry to tell you that cutting has always had a masturbatory element to it. It's a physical act which can relieve stress by intentionally releasing feel-good chemicals in the brain. If the game goes there, it's only because it's a natural extension of how cutting works. To cut straight to the heart of the matter, yes.
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Avalerion posted:Only one to think the Yuri stare is a deliberate reference to that overly attached girlfriend meme? If it is, it's way, way too subtle. The raw video will go up today, but the intention is just full-blown awkward creep-staring...and not in a playful way like you know OAG when off-camera.
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I think if you want to understand Yuri's feelings about her cutting habit, you should go back and read her Raccoon poem.
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oath2order posted:I think if you want to understand Yuri's feelings about her cutting habit, you should go back and read her Raccoon poem. This. As an ex-cutter, I can tell you that its honestly pretty addictive, no matter what your reason for starting is. You get a rush from the pain and your body releases feel-good chemicals afterwards. That's why you have people who have done it for decades without stopping, its legitimately an addiction and its very, very hard to quit. Most who try just use another form of self-harm as a replacement, something less obvious so their friends and family don't notice and realise what's going on. Its also why stuff like telling someone "just stop" or "I'll never talk to you again if I find out you cut again" is quite possibly the worst thing you can say to them, its like telling an alcoholic "have you tried not drinking?" In Yuri's case I think maybe she started as a way to express her frustrations about herself. She's clearly a very anxious and self-conscious person and when you're those things, its hard not to blame yourself for not being able to just do stuff that everyone else around you has an easy time with, like "having friends" and "talking to people". She obviously finds solace in her books but that doesn't help the situation and I'm pretty sure her cutting is her way of almost punishing herself for not being able to do these things, even though she really wants to. It doesn't matter why she started though, she almost certainly continues because she's addicted to it and this is actually the norm for people who self-harm. I wish I didn't know as much about this as I do  poor Yuri..
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There is a scene we have not seen (and probably will not) that goes into far more depth about Yuri’s issues. I’ll only say that we have not made the best choices in this playthrough, and we are missing out on some of the best scenes in the game because of that.
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Faerie Fortune posted:This. As an ex-cutter, I can tell you that its honestly pretty addictive, no matter what your reason for starting is. You get a rush from the pain and your body releases feel-good chemicals afterwards. That's why you have people who have done it for decades without stopping, its legitimately an addiction and its very, very hard to quit. Posts like this kinda make me wonder what the game would have been like if it stayed on the path it was going, with helping the girls with thier own individual issues (probably not very well, given how our protagonist responded to sayori)
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My theory is the game-within-the-game was supposed to be a take on mental illness, where the best end would be you helping everyone through their issues while still picking a girl (maybe even Monika), while the worst end would be everybody loving dies, and everything in between. But then the spoops happened, and here we are.
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oath2order posted:Posts like this kinda make me wonder what the game would have been like if it stayed on the path it was going, with helping the girls with thier own individual issues (probably not very well, given how our protagonist responded to sayori) That sounds pretty much just like the game would be Katawa Shoujo for mental disorders rather than physical ones.
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How is KS, anyway? I have a feeling that concept would be either really good or really bad, and considering 4chan was involved, I always assumed the latter.
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Yeah I'd really love to play a version of this without the generic romance element. Perhaps from Monika's perspective where you create the lit club, recruit the other three girls and help them out. Hell you could even have the original MC join the anime club, that would have probably worked out better for everyone involved.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:That sounds pretty much just like the game would be Katawa Shoujo for mental disorders rather than physical ones. Yeah, that's what I was expecting from the first few updates, and I'm a little disappointed that it isn't what we got. This game has an interesting concept, but once you start breaking the fourth wall you kind of lose out on a lot of the capacity for immersion. It's like reading a novel that ends up being a pop-up book halfway through - it's interesting and inventive and different, but the novelty wears thin fairly shortly. Double Punctuation posted:How is KS, anyway? I have a feeling that concept would be either really good or really bad, and considering 4chan was involved, I always assumed the latter. It's surprisingly surprisingly good. It's much better than it deserves to be given that it came out of 4chan - as in, it's not just "good, considering" but genuinely good. The writing's handled pretty respectfully, which is odd given the gimmick that it started as. Well worth a look.
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Double Punctuation posted:How is KS, anyway? I have a feeling that concept would be either really good or really bad, and considering 4chan was involved, I always assumed the latter. Better than the name and place of origin implies.
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Yeah, KS is from a different era of online interaction. I've seen very little negative critique on it. That said, I'm actually glad this game isn't Amateur Therapy Power Hour. I don't want to see that wrapped up in the trappings of high school romance.
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Double Punctuation posted:There is a scene we have not seen (and probably will not) that goes into far more depth about Yuri’s issues. I’ll only say that we have not made the best choices in this playthrough, and we are missing out on some of the best scenes in the game because of that. I think Roar said he plans on showing off the major variations, just not all the smaller ones? POOL IS CLOSED posted:Yeah, KS is from a different era of online interaction. I've seen very little negative critique on it. That said, I'm actually glad this game isn't Amateur Therapy Power Hour. I don't want to see that wrapped up in the trappings of high school romance. It'd be hard because mental illness is so different for different people. For example, people said they felt the MC said everything wrong in the last interaction with Sayori; Personally, I'd have felt a lot better in high school if there was anyone I trusted enough to tell and who cared enough to try. 
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Double Punctuation posted:How is KS, anyway? I have a feeling that concept would be either really good or really bad, and considering 4chan was involved, I always assumed the latter. It's not perfect, some routes are much better than others, but it's surprisingly good. It actually manages to criticize the whole "each character can be described in one word" thing that VNs tend to have (the shy one, the blind one, etc) without being a complete deconstruction of the genre.
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Yeah for real we're a teenager in high school and with the exception of the last interaction the MC seemed genuinely caring to the best of his ability. Lile he's no therapist but he's trying to be a friend and that's really important for depressed people.
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I disagree. He seems pretty much a stock one-dimensional romance VN protagonist who only cares about himself. That’s part of why I suspect the suicide was already a possibility in the (kayfabe) game before it was corrupted; he acts like you would expect he would after you would lose the game, but he never responds to any of the weird poo poo that happens, even the stuff that gets in the log. He never even responds to the weird stuff Monika does in the first playthrough. His responses are all canned. Whatever story the (kayfabe) developers were trying to tell is way beyond their writing abilities.
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18. BGM: Okay, Everyone!   : “…this one’s alright.” : “Alright?": “Well, yeah.": “About as good as yesterday's, anyway.": “I still can't really tell how much you actually care about writing, but either way, you're doing alright.": “Even though you're not really spending time with anyone but Yuri...I still think it's nice to have activities that we all participate in. So you better keep working hard!": “I mean...I know I'm not President or Vice President or anything...but that doesn't mean you can let me down, okay?": “So, at least read mine too for now." : “This poem...means a lot to me. So read it carefully, okay?"BGM: Okay, Everyone! (Natsuki)  quote:I don't know how else to bring this up. But there's been something I've been worried about. Yuri has been acting kind of strange lately. You've only been here a few days, so you may not know what I mean. But she's not normally like this. She's always been quiet and polite and attentive...things like that. Poem impressions: Man, she's really decided to go freeform on this one. This 'poem' is one of the reasons I really like Natsuki. She's the only person in this club who seems to realize - and care - that something is really, really wrong. Unlike ol' Mitayo, here, she at least is trying to do something about it. I especially like the 'I'll make you cupcakes if I have to' line - she's desperate to do anything to help, and she knows where her strengths lie.  BGM: Music fades out.  Uh oh.   : “There's-no-point-in-trying-to-do-anything.-It's-Yuri's-own-fault-that-she's-so-unlikable.-Can-you-hear-me,-Mitayo?" : “Yuri-and-I-are-too-messed-up-for-someone-as-wonderful-as-you.-Just-think-of-Monika-from-now-on.”: Just-Monika.  The game restarts at this point...   ...with a new content warning. It auto-pops us back into the poem choice screen right after this. There are very faint signs of something unusual going on around here. Speaking of unusual... BGM: Okay, Everyone!   : “Ahaha..."Yuri holds my poem to her face and takes a deep breath. : “I love it. I love everything about it.": “Mitayo, I want to take this home. Will you let me keep it? Please?": “Sure, I don't care..."I mean most of the words have to do with rainbows and kawaii and kittens and things more suited to Natsuki, but I'm glad that you approve. : “Ahaha. You're too nice to me, Mitayo...I've never met anyone as nice as you.": “I could die...n-not really, but--!": “I just don't know how to describe it. It's okay to be feeling this way, right?" I'm definitely not the right person to be talking to about this, Yuri. Yuri holds my poem to her chest. : “I'm going to take this home with me and keep it in my room.": “I hope that it makes you feel good when you think about me having it. I'll take good care of it!"   I absolutely do not recommend you doing any of that.  : “You can have my poem too. Besides, after you read it, I know you're really going to want to keep it.": “Here, take it. I can't wait any longer. Hurry! Read it!"BGM: 5_yuri2.ogg. From the wiki: This is a version of Okay, Everyone! and distorted to nearly unrecognizable level. It features ambient music very incongruous to the rest of the soundtrack as well as distorted breathing sounds overlaid over the heavily bit-crushed original theme.  quote:...uh... Poem impressions: Can I, uh, not take this? Is that okay? You can keep it... Also pretty sure that this is blood and...I don't want to know...  GAH. PERSONAL SPACE, YURI.  : “I wrote it for you!"  nope nope nope NOPE NOPE NOPE. : “See, aren't I the most thoughtful person in the club?" BGM: Okay, Everyone! : “...": “I..." She rushes off screen. Judging by the look on her face, I think that she's actually telling the truth this time. On to Monika.  In case it's not clear, she's talking about what happened in yesterday’s update, not just now.  : “I didn't want to have to tell you this, but I don't think I have a choice. It's getting kind of dangerous for you to spend so much time with Yuri. I don't know why, but she seems pretty easily excitable when she's around you...which shouldn't be a problem in itself.": “But when Yuri gets too excited, she finds a place to hide and starts cutting herself with a pocket knife."We know. We hate it, but we know.  : “She even brings a different one to school every day, like she has a collection or something...I mean, it's definitely not because she's depressed or anything like that!": “I think she just gets some kind of high from it.It might even be, like, a sexual thing...": “But the point is, you've kind of been enabling her. I'm not saying it's your fault, though! But I guess that's why I had to explain it all to you...so I think if you keep your distance, that would probably be best for her." : “To put it lightly, I at least have it together in the head...and I know how to treat my club members.": “Anyway...I guess we won't worry about your poem...Yuri should have at least had the courtesy of letting you finish sharing it before taking it."I don't want to prejudge things, but I think that Yuri is well beyond courtesy at this point. : “...Well, whatever. If it makes her happy, I won't stop her.": “As for mine...I worked really...really hard on this poem, so...I hope that it's, uh, effective."  Oh God what did this stupid free game do to my computer  ...oh. Okay. Good job, Monika. : “Um...well, I guess I kinda messed up at, uh... 'writing' this poem. I was just trying to...": “...Never mind. Let's just move on..."-----   Well that's just mean. ----- BGM: Doki Doki Literature Club! (modified - no "Doki Doki!" at the beginning)  : “It's time to figure out the festival preparations.": “...": “Uu...stagnating air is common foreshadowing that something terrible is about to happen..."Last time you said this, you were only sort-of right.  : “I'm going to be printing and assembling all the poetry pamphlets.": “Natsuki, you can make cupcakes. I know you're at least good at that.": “…”: “Yuri, you can...well, it doesn't matter. Do whatever you want, as long as you think it'll help."Monika's super salty right now. It's quite a change from her usual MO.  : “I'm not useless, you know!": “I-I know that!": “I already know what I'd like to do. We can't run a successful poetry event without having the right atmosphere for the occasion. So I'm going to make decorations and set up some nice mood lighting.": “There, see? That's a great idea! And that gives us all something to do.": “Eh? What about Mitayo?"Uh, Mitayo is gonna spend the weekend far, far away from all of you crazies.  ...or not, I guess. : “Wait, you? You have the easiest job, Monika!": “Sorry, but that's just how it is.": “Like hell it is! What are you trying to pull?": “I-I agree with Natsuki! Not only is your work already most suitable for one person...but my task is laborious enough to benefit from an extra pair of hands.": “Mine too!": “What, your cupcakes? Please." I’m gonna take a stab at it and say that there’s another argument brewing. : “All you care about now is dragging Mitayo around with you and your stupid books. You and Monika!": “Hey! I didn't even do anything!": “Okay, then why not let Mitayo decide who to help instead of abusing your power?": “I'm not...abusing my power.": “Yes you are, Monika. Just let Mitayo make the choice, okay?" : “Fine.": “Jeez...Mitayo, I know how fed up you are with these two by now. We can just--" : “You shut your mouth!": “Jesus christ...": “This is never going to end. Just make the choice, okay?" So, it's kind of hard to see, but the cursor is magnetically drawn to Monika. We can, however, force the cursor to pick on Natsuki or Yuri…   ...but the game compensates for that. Whatever’s going on in this game, one thing’s for clear: Mitayo’s illusion of choice has disappeared entirely. As proof of this, Mitayo has only said two things this entire update.  : “We can meet at your house this weekend. I promise it'll be fun. Is Sunday okay with you?": “Are you loving kidding me? This isn't fair at all!": “It is fair, Natsuki. It's what he chose.""Chose". : “No, it's not fair! Giving us all this work and then taking Mitayo for yourself. What a shameful thing to do!": “Yuri, I didn't even give you any work. You decided it for yourself. You're being a little unreasonable here."BGM: Music stops abruptly.  : “Ahahaha!": “Monika, I can't believe how delusional and self-important you are!": “Pulling Mitayo away from me every single time you're not included in something.": “Are you jealous?": “Crazy?": “Or maybe you just hate yourself so much that you take it out on others?"  Yuri has reached the edge and flung herself off of it, folks. : “Yuri, you're scaring me a little...": “Natsuki, let's just go. I don't think she wants us around right now.": “See, that wasn't very hard.": “All I want is to spend a little time with him.": “Is that so much to ask?"Yuri follows Monika and Natsuki to the door. : “Hey, Mitayo...” Monika giggles as Yuri pushes her out the door. Oh God no, please don't leave me here alone with- : “Finally." Eyyyyyy Yuri, how ya' doin...?  BGM: 10-yuri.ogg. From the wiki: “This is a corrupted version of My Confession. The original track distorts very slightly in pitch, is heavily reduced in quality, and is reversed in parts. In addition, a track of a woman breathing heavily and occasionally laughing is overlaid upon the music.” It’s…just awful. : “This is really all I wanted.": “Mitayo, there's no need to spend the weekend with Monika.": “Don't listen to her. Just come to my house instead.": “The whole day, with just the two of us...doesn't that sound wonderful?": “Ahahaha!": “Wow... There's really something wrong with me, isn't there?": “But you know what?" : “I've never felt this good my whole life.": “Just being with you is a far greater pleasure than anything I could imagine.": “I'm addicted to you. It feels like I'm going to die if I'm not breathing the same air as you.": “Doesn't it feel nice to have someone care about you so much? To have someone who wants to revolve their entire life around you?": “But if it feels so good...": “Then why does it feel more and more like something horrible is going to happen?": “Maybe that's why I tried stopping myself at first...": “But the feeling is too strong now.": “I don't care anymore, Mitayo! I have to tell you!" Not like this, Yuri. Not like this. : “It feels like every inch of my body...every drop of blood in me...is screaming your name.": “I don't care what the consequences are anymore! I don't care if Monika is listening!": “Please, Mitayo, just know how much I love you."  : “I want you all to myself.": “And I will be only yours.": “Doesn't that sound perfect?": “Tell me, Mitayo.": “Tell me you want to be my lover.": “Do you accept my confession?" Oh no you don’t. Don’t you dare put this evil on me. You guys wanted Yuri - this is all on you. VOTE TIME: Do we accept Yuri’s confession of love? *YES. *NO. Raw Video File (for today and yesterday): Part One Part Two This game – or my computer in relation to this game – does not like OBS at all.
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Might as well jump the edge with her. Yes
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You'd better get the next update up reaaaaaaal fuckin' fast Roar, this is a meaaaaaaaan stopping point. ;_;
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Yes It's obviously true love. Both videos say they're unavailable and i really want to see this in motion.
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Honestly, this update is like the entirety of my favorite horror scenes in the game. There's just so many good parts!  Monika's mildly irritated "Jesus Christ" like she's just so fed up with her friends going completely crazy while not actually particularly caring. Yuri's briefly realizing SOMETHING is wrong but not being able to do anything about it... Also good timing on the "it might be a sex thing", Monika! also, yes. We turned SAyori down for this girl!
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