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Wazzu
Feb 28, 2008

Are you sure I'm winning the Rumble? That does'nt seem right.....

Corzaa posted:

Which one? Rey is a THREE time Champion.

His first run (2006) had him jobbing an astounding amount. Week by week -
Beat Orton
No contest vs. Kurt Angle
Lost to Henry
Lost to Great Khali
No contest vs. Kane
Beat JBL
Lost to Kurt Angle
Lost to Finlay
Lost to RVD
No contest vs Sabu
Beats Gregory Helms
Beats Mark Henry (By DQ)
Beats Regal
Wins 6 man tag match
Beats Booker T
Loses title to Booker T

Second reign (2010) -
Wins title in a Fatal four way involving Punk, Big Show, and Jack Swagger, the champion (lol)
Wins tag match with Big show against Cody Rhodes and Jack Swagger by DQ
Beats Swagger
Loses to Kane immediately after, as he cashes in Money in the bank

Third Reign (2011, WWE Championship)-
Beats Miz to win vacant championship after CM Punk leaves
That same night, HHH books Rey to defend against Cena, a baffling move between 3 faces. Cena wins lol, Rey was champ for less than 2 hours.
Seriously that night was such an awful part of WWE managing to horribly gently caress up the Summer of punk storyline after doing it so right until the end of Money in the Bank.

But yes, Rey Mysterio, one of the most popular wrestlers in WWE history, had 3 absolutely poo poo reigns.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Right, WWE was not presenting its main product as a sport because it would literally pause RAW a few times a week to say "and now for a SPORT in between all this wrestling"


I think it had much more to do with the narrative whiplash of being told that something is fake but THIS is real

Like, I agree completely with Jim Cornette that a company needs to pick a atmosphere and stick with it. You cannot have comedy invisible hand grenades and serious wrestling on the same card. The audience needs an established reality to believe in. Once that reality is established though, as long as its consistent it will be successful.

I think you can have it on the same card- as long as context is maintained. But it's a difficult context to establish if say Chuck Taylor is your champion, and he does matches that are both brutal matches with chairshots, tacks, etc. and the grenade.

Gumball Gumption posted:

You might think Chikara is doing badly because of a lack of big names, Quack's difficulty to work with, and their convoluted story line, but actually it is because women and men can fake fight each other.

And the massive difficulty trying to go from being a minor indy to a big promotion! There's so many American promotions that do varying levels of well, but cannot begin to get show on TV, have advertising, regular incoming funding etc.

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Strawberry Panda
Nov 4, 2007

Breakfast Defecting, Slow Dick Touching, Root Beer Barreling SwagVP


The problem is WWE is run more like a circus than a sport.

Wazzu
Feb 28, 2008

Are you sure I'm winning the Rumble? That does'nt seem right.....

Jack Anderson posted:

I don't get why you guys don't like those derails, it was very insightful reading.

There were some good posts amongst the poo poo.

I especially liked the guy who brought up fighting game physics. If you had a fighting game where the women did 2/3 as much damage and had 2/3 as much health, everyone would decry it. But they're treated as equals and works in that context.

Bryan and Vinny talking about Lucha Underground brought up the good point that it was never treated respectfully. It was never a back and forth contest where the women used their technique and speed, while the men used power moves, but still mainly lucha style stuff that isn't always brutal. It was the men beating the poo poo out of the women with strikes, and not treating them as threats, just people they could easily beat viciously.

FullMetalJackoff posted:

I'd be quite content if WWE never booked an intergender match ever again, but allow intergender matchups in the video game so I can have Roman job to a 120 pound woman and an Owen Driver '97.

If I thought they could do it well I'd be fine with it, but in this reality, no way in hell.

Oh, and one reason it worked in Chikara- aside from the comic book stuff and whatever, the roster had so many skinny short nerds that Sara Del Rey managed to look bigger than a lot of the male wrestlers, and not at all out of place wrestling them.

Wazzu fucked around with this message at Oct 13, 2017 around 10:29

rovert
Jun 10, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 15 days!


Just saw MYC alternate Nicole Matthews on Twitter call out a sexual harasser on the indies. There's been a bunch of stuff I've read and heard here and there this week that makes me think we are close to getting a Pro Wrestling reaction to all the Harvey Weinstein stuff in the news. But obviously, it is extremely tough to be the "first" person to go public as there are so few places to work.

Wazzu
Feb 28, 2008

Are you sure I'm winning the Rumble? That does'nt seem right.....

In much less important news, WWE network is loving up for me. It will show video on the main page, but when I try to get individual videos (like NXT, a PPV replay, 205 etc.) it just won't load, gets stuck on a loading screen. Any advice, or is it time to try and interact with their terrible technical support?

rovert posted:

Just saw MYC alternate Nicole Matthews on Twitter call out a sexual harasser on the indies. There's been a bunch of stuff I've read and heard here and there this week that makes me think we are close to getting a Pro Wrestling reaction to all the Harvey Weinstein stuff in the news. But obviously, it is extremely tough to be the "first" person to go public as there are so few places to work.

I'm guessing that will be an unending list, sadly. I'd be thoroughly unsurprised at any wrestlers from before 2000 or any promoters were constantly up to sexual harassment at varying levels.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Wazzu posted:

Bryan and Vinny talking about Lucha Underground brought up the good point that it was never treated respectfully. It was never a back and forth contest where the women used their technique and speed, while the men used power moves, but still mainly lucha style stuff that isn't always brutal. It was the men beating the poo poo out of the women with strikes, and not treating them as threats, just people they could easily beat viciously.

Something Bryan would often go to great pains to say was that he wasn't even opposed to the idea of intergender matches when they were used effectively, but that he just couldn't enjoy matches where dudes just whaled on women for 10 minutes then pinned them.

I did disagree with his opinion on that Pentagon vs the three Japanese wrestlers, which I thought was a really cool and fun match to watch but he absolutely hated, primarily because of the arm-breaking spots Pentagon did at the end of each match. I could see that complaint if it wasn't something that Pentagon tried to do as a matter of course to almost every wrestler he has a match with.

Wazzu posted:

In much less important news, WWE network is loving up for me. It will show video on the main page, but when I try to get individual videos (like NXT, a PPV replay, 205 etc.) it just won't load, gets stuck on a loading screen. Any advice, or is it time to try and interact with their terrible technical support?

I had a big issue with the latest NXT yesterday, the video wouldn't load for something like 40 minutes, even if I logged out and shut down my browser. Maybe they're having server issues?

Wazzu
Feb 28, 2008

Are you sure I'm winning the Rumble? That does'nt seem right.....

Jerusalem posted:

Something Bryan would often go to great pains to say was that he wasn't even opposed to the idea of intergender matches when they were used effectively, but that he just couldn't enjoy matches where dudes just whaled on women for 10 minutes then pinned them.

I did disagree with his opinion on that Pentagon vs the three Japanese wrestlers, which I thought was a really cool and fun match to watch but he absolutely hated, primarily because of the arm-breaking spots Pentagon did at the end of each match. I could see that complaint if it wasn't something that Pentagon tried to do as a matter of course to almost every wrestler he has a match with.

I think that might tie into the really weird thing of Pentagon Jr. being a truly vile character.......that the audience loved. Him constantly brutally assaulting people for little reason was bad enough, but seeing the audience cheer wildly as he breaks the arms of screaming women.....I can get that being bad.

I always liked how the audience would cheer for violence, and then get quiet when something truly bad happened. "Wait, that was a storyline death? Like, that guy got killed? How the hell am I supposed to react to that?!?"

Jerusalem posted:

I had a big issue with the latest NXT yesterday, the video wouldn't load for something like 40 minutes, even if I logged out and shut down my browser. Maybe they're having server issues?

Hmm. I'll try again tomorrow, hopefully will be better by then.

Spikegal
Jul 30, 2005

BRILLIANT!


VJeff posted:

... I know Batista owned the poo poo outta her and then no sold the slap while Randy laughed his rear end off off camera.

Video source please

Minidust
Nov 4, 2009

Hello chiicagooo!

Oh, wait, is that a GameStop employee in the back? Hey, you, give me a refund. No, I don't care if it was my fault, just - look, am I the one with the microphone or not? REFUND, biyotch!

Wazzu posted:

His first run (2006) had him jobbing an astounding amount. Week by week -

Lost to RVD
This one was the absolute worst, based on how the finish played out. RVD places a chair on top of Rey and mounts the top rope for the Five Star Frog Splash. Rey manages to throw the chair off right before the splash connects... then just gets pinned anyway.

Like, okay, that's RVD's finisher and should be protected. But what a confusing narrative that produces for your face champion. Like, what emotion is the audience supposed to feel there? Relief that the hero didn't get extra-hurt by a chair assisted finisher?



Re: intergender matches--
Wrestling has the added obstacle of real-life ugliness making everything awkward, or at least retroactively awkward. Like there's no "scandal" in comics outside of what is explicitly written, wheras an intergender wrestledude who beats his wife makes you not want to see any of that onscreen.

Quasipox
Sep 6, 2008



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AHAB posted:

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RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Eli Wiggum posted:

i prefer an endless stream of shitposts from unfunny shitposters

that's most of your thing dude

RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

King of the Pirates?


Pentagon vs the Scorpion Trio was really good but it took 3 of the best women's wrestlers to actually take him out. Sara Del Rey also had some good matches in CHIKARA against smaller or marginally larger sized wrestlers, but I don't really see most women that are five foot nothing being able to take on the 6 foot plus guys in WWE

Seeing Asuka soccer kick fools in 205 Live would be cool though, Asuka and Drew Gulak could probably put on a clinic

cavallingus
Apr 23, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo


RacistGuidingLight posted:

that's most of your thing dude

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

can you read this. should i put this on my avterar





DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Quickly, post more pictures of dogs and mayhap a "Durr hurr hurr", the game is afoot

RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless



I like posting, where's the irony?

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

My posts are BETTER than yours and you KNOW IT.


:ironi- wait. drat YOU, CAVAURO

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

can you read this. should i put this on my avterar

i dont know what's going on but i love that little chipmunk emoji or whatever it is. I hope we keep on saying it

RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


it's a reference to a thing I haven't heard of

WrasslorMonkey
Mar 5, 2012

...And how appropriate, that the gif you grovel for is your very own. A victim of your own greed, wallowing in the muck of avarice...


RacistGuidingLight posted:

it's a reference to a thing I haven't heard of

That is like 90% of this forum for me.

RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

King of the Pirates?


RacistGuidingLight posted:

it's a reference to a thing I haven't heard of
only 90s kids...

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


It's a picture of Arthur C. Korn the founder of the band of the same name.

RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Seven "unfunny shitposts" in, and I can definitely say this is better than the gender fight discussion.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



I'm going to Lowtax to have you all banned.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008
Good luck with your depression!


MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

My posts are BETTER than yours and you KNOW IT.

Aphrodite posted:

I'm going to Lowtax to have you all banned.

You can't get Rowdy Ringsports banned! YOU'LL REGERET THIS!!!!!

cavallingus
Apr 23, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo


RacistGuidingLight posted:

Seven "unfunny shitposts" in, and I can definitely say this is better than the gender fight discussion.
Sorry for hurting your feelings. Truce?

RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Eli Wiggum posted:

Sorry for hurting your feelings. Truce?

Your shits real weak, but I don't wanna talk to you no more so sure! Let's be friends.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 10, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick


Nap Ghost

Wazzu posted:

His first run (2006) had him jobbing an astounding amount. Week by week -
Beat Orton
No contest vs. Kurt Angle
Lost to Henry
Lost to Great Khali
No contest vs. Kane
Beat JBL
Lost to Kurt Angle
Lost to Finlay
Lost to RVD
No contest vs Sabu
Beats Gregory Helms
Beats Mark Henry (By DQ)
Beats Regal
Wins 6 man tag match
Beats Booker T
Loses title to Booker T

Second reign (2010) -
Wins title in a Fatal four way involving Punk, Big Show, and Jack Swagger, the champion (lol)
Wins tag match with Big show against Cody Rhodes and Jack Swagger by DQ
Beats Swagger
Loses to Kane immediately after, as he cashes in Money in the bank

Third Reign (2011, WWE Championship)-
Beats Miz to win vacant championship after CM Punk leaves
That same night, HHH books Rey to defend against Cena, a baffling move between 3 faces. Cena wins lol, Rey was champ for less than 2 hours.
Seriously that night was such an awful part of WWE managing to horribly gently caress up the Summer of punk storyline after doing it so right until the end of Money in the Bank.

But yes, Rey Mysterio, one of the most popular wrestlers in WWE history, had 3 absolutely poo poo reigns.


I think you can have it on the same card- as long as context is maintained. But it's a difficult context to establish if say Chuck Taylor is your champion, and he does matches that are both brutal matches with chairshots, tacks, etc. and the grenade.


And the massive difficulty trying to go from being a minor indy to a big promotion! There's so many American promotions that do varying levels of well, but cannot begin to get show on TV, have advertising, regular incoming funding etc.

speaking of this, the biggest viewership drop the LU saw in its 3rd season was from Rey's title match in the Cueto Cup finals episode which he got screwed out of the title which caused LU to lose like 40-50% of the viewership next week.

the rest of those drops though are all on episodes where I noted elsewhere (Pentagon breaking Brenda's arm, Mundo beating Sexy, Crane beating the poo poo out of Taya)

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012

plz remember that it was ~ME~ who told you that everything you like is actually really not good, because I knew all along.


VJeff posted:

You can't get Rowdy Ringsports banned! YOU'LL REGERET THIS!!!!!

Yes, regret it with the eternal shame of not having done it sooner

RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

King of the Pirates?


J-Ru please bump the bad wrestling shirts thread, we have a new contender


http://shop.wwe.com/alicia-fox-craz...irt/QA1001.html

cavallingus
Apr 23, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo


Vince just discovered furries

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.


God help us all.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness


Kevin Owens was on the E&C podcast:

quote:

1) Kevin Owens thought being the Universal champion would be the pinnacle of his WWE run but said it didn't turn out the way he wanted to be and didn't make feel like a top guy

2) He said his feud with Jericho helped him to get to that top guy level but again he felt like things got little bit flat for him on Smackdown for until Shane Mcmahon feud happened

3) Kevin admits he didn't enjoy the series of matches with AJ styles. He said " I wasn't putting out my best stuff in that feud "

4) Kevin Owens said his body is really sour after his match at Hell in a Cell and his angle with Vince Mcmahon and feud with Shane Mcmahon made him look like a top guy. he thought that feud took him to new level

5) He credits Dusty Rhodes a lot especially for his promos not sounding generic. He said his short time with him is invaluable. He said dean Ambrose had the best dusty impression

6) Kevin owens credits his wife for supporting him and believed in him that he can be a top guy in WWE. There were lots of people who said to Kevin that the way you look, you aren't going to make it to WWE but Kevin's wife was always behind him when things were really bad for him

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002



Imagine if he finds his way to pornhub and discovers how popular incest porn has become.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Your voice may have changed but your breath is still the same.

My goodness, Hot Stuff!


Stale Saltines posted:

Imagine if he finds his way to pornhub and discovers how popular incest porn has become.

Incest is the angle that Vince keeps coming back to but never fully pulling the trigger on. The Bushwacker's went lingerie shopping for their mother, That leave it to Beaver rip off where the headbanger wanted to gently caress his mum, the Burchill's having heavy incest overtones just before the switch to PG, the pitched story where Vince was supposed to claim to have raped and impregnated Stephanie.

One day Vince, one day you'll get to do your incest angle all the way to the "finish".

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008


Kevin Owens is rad and in glad he's successful.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

My posts are BETTER than yours and you KNOW IT.

It's criminal what they did to Owens during that Universal run. I'm not surprised to hear he wasn't into the AJ feud, the booking, especially the finishes, really stunk.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness


I thought Owens title was one of the better recent ones, the segments with Jericho were always entertaining and the PPV matches were pretty good as well, especially Hell in a Cell (Seth) and the Rumble (Roman) come to mind. He was never able to beat anyone without outside help but he's a heel in WWE so

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STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.


I think Owen's views are a reflection of modern WWE booking. You're not a top guy when you win "the belt" in WWE. The roster and indies are littered with former champions ever since the brand splits created multiple champions and effectively devalued them. In today's WWE you're "made" by feuding with a part timer like a McMahon, HHH, Rock, or Brock. Although it seems like Brock's lost his luster now.

It goes back to WWE's difficulties making stars and relying on the stars of yesteryear. Its the only way they can count on getting big pops and marquee matches so it becomes the only way to truly elevate someone like Bryan or Punk or Owens.

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