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Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


Phylodox posted:

You guys are massively overthinking this. Every single one of these shows simply chooses whatever plot point gives itself easy melodrama in the moment, with exactly zero thought to future plot lines, prior actions, or consistent characters. Theyíve almost always been this way.

Even in the moment it made no sense though. Giving up his powers was functionally identical to just choosing not to use them, except that it prevented him from changing his mind. It's not a problem for the writers because they can just give him his powers back any time they want, but from the character's perspective it's a crazy dumb decision that should have had all his friends worried about him. In fact, it was the lack of melodrama surrounding it that really made it odd.

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


Didn't he give up his powers because his girlfriend broke up with him or something?

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta


Grimey Drawer

Rhyno posted:

Didn't he give up his powers because his girlfriend broke up with him or something?

No, in fact iirc she specifically said it was okay

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008

DON'T DOUBLE DOWN ON YOUR STUPID SHIT JUST CAUSE YOU THINK IT'S FUNNY. YOU MAKE STUPID FUCKING DECISIONS ALL THE TIME THEN DOUBLE DOWN LIKE A PETULANT CHILD. GOD I FUCKING HATE YOU SO MUCH SOMETIMES.

He wanted to be a normal boy except he didnít want to leave STAR Labs either. So heís just the pouty boy behind the console now. Plus they have to jump through hoops to give him powers without giving him powers. Itís very dumb.

nunsexmonkrock
Apr 13, 2008




ded posted:

so when kadabra appeared did anyone else think 'what the hell is spike doing in this show?' before he turned around

Nope. Mainly because I think James Masters is attractive and don't think that guy is. But that's just my opinion.

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


nunsexmonkrock posted:

Nope. Mainly because I think James Masters is attractive and don't think that guy is. But that's just my opinion.
It was just till he turned around. Once you saw his face it was obvious.

nunsexmonkrock
Apr 13, 2008




I still don't see it and I have seen the back of many mens' heads (use to work for a porn company.)

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005







muscles like this! posted:

Yeah, the episode where he actually gets rid of his powers had very strong "leaving the show" energy but then next season started and he was still hanging around.

For that matter, so did Nash absorbing the essences of "every Wells in the multiverse" and then channeling them/it into the Speed Force Battery.

Spacebump
Dec 23, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations


Somebody really needs to let team Flash know the multiverse is still out there.

A Fancy Hat
Nov 18, 2016

Always remember that the former President was dumber than the dumbest person you've ever met by a wide margin



Spacebump posted:

Somebody really needs to let team Flash know the multiverse is still out there.

I assume that's gonna be a big reveal at some point. The status quo of all the shows right now seems to be "There's a multiverse but nobody knows it.", which makes sense given what they saw at the end of Crisis.

I heard that John Wesley Shipp is going to be Stargirl's Flash, so it seems like we're going for the classic Earth 1 JLA, Earth 2 JSA setup now

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!



A Fancy Hat posted:

...

I heard that John Wesley Shipp is going to be Stargirl's Flash, so it seems like we're going for the classic Earth 1 JLA, Earth 2 JSA setup now
That's awesome.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005







A Fancy Hat posted:

I heard that John Wesley Shipp is going to be Stargirl's Flash, so it seems like we're going for the classic Earth 1 JLA, Earth 2 JSA setup now

GigaPeon
Apr 29, 2003

Go, man, go!

McSpanky posted:

For that matter, so did Nash absorbing the essences of "every Wells in the multiverse" and then channeling them/it into the Speed Force Battery.

Yeah everyone was super emotional in that scene, but he was the worst Wells that seemed to interact the least with the team, so I figured that was Cavanagh's sendoff.


Dang googling his spelling, the dude is 57. Nuts.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



Looks like more future shenanigans are in the works as late this season Jordan Fisher will be guest starring as Bart Allen. With a twist to the character where he's going to be Barry and Iris' son instead of grandson.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

how few people do you
need before you can
change the world?


Is it a twist when they did the same thing with XS?

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008

DON'T DOUBLE DOWN ON YOUR STUPID SHIT JUST CAUSE YOU THINK IT'S FUNNY. YOU MAKE STUPID FUCKING DECISIONS ALL THE TIME THEN DOUBLE DOWN LIKE A PETULANT CHILD. GOD I FUCKING HATE YOU SO MUCH SOMETIMES.

But will there be any Bart license plate keychains for him? I can only find Bort.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Barry and Iris better hurry up with the banging for real.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!



Rhyno posted:

Is it a twist when they did the same thing with XS?

XS was pre-crisis, this is totally different.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012



The twist is that Diggle did it. He never really forgave Barry for turning his daughter into his son.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters



oh jay posted:

The twist is that Diggle did it. He never really forgave Barry for turning his daughter into his son.

But thanks to Crisis Dig got both!

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012



howe_sam posted:

But thanks to Crisis Dig got both!

That just proves that Oliver is the best friend, much better than time criminal Barry Allen.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters



Former DA Cecile Horton is the best character on this dumb show.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


howe_sam posted:

Former DA Cecile Horton is the best character on this dumb show.

Yeah.

Next episode: The Still Force in the 90s

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



I hope the never, ever ever do another plot about the speed force dying or Barry losing connection to it.

also "She Hulk was already taken!".

Tiggum
Oct 23, 2007


Everyone's being extremely dismissive of Killer Frost in this episode. She very clearly didn't want to be recombined with Caitlin and everyone was completely oblivious, and then she tells Caitlin that she's scared all the time and often doesn't even know why, and Caitlin just goes "you'll be OK, everyone gets scared sometimes!"

hatelull
Oct 29, 2004



Why is the Government after Frost now? She's been party of Team Flash for long enough that I forgot what sort of bad poo poo she got up to.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!



You would think that a call to Arugs would fix poo poo like that.

Invalid Validation
Jan 13, 2008

DON'T DOUBLE DOWN ON YOUR STUPID SHIT JUST CAUSE YOU THINK IT'S FUNNY. YOU MAKE STUPID FUCKING DECISIONS ALL THE TIME THEN DOUBLE DOWN LIKE A PETULANT CHILD. GOD I FUCKING HATE YOU SO MUCH SOMETIMES.

Instead of speed force being the excuse now itís just: Crisis, we ainít gotta explain poo poo.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012



There was an Earth 2 Killer Frost right? I can't even remember if the current one has anything to do with that one.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


I feel like The Flash could put in a call to the Governor's office and ask for a pardon for Killer Frost like how Oliver Queen, as the Green Arrow aka the Arrow aka the Hood, got cleared of his crimes

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

What's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?



8one6 posted:

You would think that a call to Arugs would fix poo poo like that.

Argus in the Arrowverse has been shown to be utterly incapable of doing its job.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

low vis




twistedmentat posted:

Argus in the Arrowverse has been shown to be utterly incapable of doing its job.

Except in that one timeline in Legends where Zari 1.0 was from where they went turbo-fash for some reason.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



hatelull posted:

Why is the Government after Frost now? She's been party of Team Flash for long enough that I forgot what sort of bad poo poo she got up to.

IIRC there was that period where Frost was running around as Amunet's enforcer.

Rectal Death Deft
Jan 10, 2020


I'll agree with a lot of what's been posted about this season.

The coronavirus stuff definitely had an impact. Opening with Wells basically mid-sentence before he dies for an absurdly long time in a screaming agonized ball of light was a little bit different tonally. Definitely the end of the last season where you were still supposed to remember Eva and be really concerned about her reign of terror and see that the only way to fight her

They could have given his sacrifice more than an afternoon's worth of relevance though.

"Wells just died horrifically to make this machine work Barry"
"Cool, we managed to stop a single heist. Well I'm all hosed up now and gave my wife brain damage. There the machine is broken."

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters



Call the Time Idiots you jerks.

Also, that's a good look for Joe.

hatelull
Oct 29, 2004



How many lightning flashes were there at the end of that "Goodbye Wells(es)" episode? Have they now revealed all of those weird rear end power gods yet?

Vietnamwees
May 8, 2008


There were 4 colors, and I think the final color is going to be blue.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005







There's going to be a Slow Force, isn't there?

"Now walk, Garry, walk."

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004


I think the four forces are strong, move fast, don't nove fast and because it's this show, love

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hatelull
Oct 29, 2004



pile of brown posted:

I think the four forces are strong, move fast, don't nove fast and because it's this show, love

Maybe I'm mis-remembering the way too loving long Synder thing I sat through but I swear there was a joke about that Barry and the power of love. It'd be ridiculously awesome if that really was established continuity between the show and that silly bloated film.

So really no Wells this season, and the only probable crossover we'd get is with those other time guys?

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