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pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

XboxPants posted:

This is part of the problem. If stealing the artifact to return it to the tribe was something they signed off on, and it was okay when Dibny & Barry did it, then why stop her at all? It's like it's only bad when she does it. The justification being, of course, it's bad when she does it because her ways are savage, and their ways are civilized.

If they're going to recognize her goals as noble, they gotta recognize her as noble, too, or else it comes off as "it's only ok when us civilized types do it". They could have just worked with her, tried to help her do things without killing people. Flash has worked with tons of murderers before, including himself.

The main criminal I remember flash cutting deals with was snart and the deal was he could rob but not kill. Black buffalo was introduced as a murderer not as some Savage native; I think reading into it the way you did is kinda flawed.

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pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
There's a pretty wide range of entertaining television between "accurate trial coverage" and what they did. I honestly would have traded green grunting man for a better trial and a second interaction with body swap Devoux. Like, Cecille didn't even press the explanation of Damian... Even if Devoux knew about the relationship, Damian could still have been jealous and killed him, with or without wife's knowledge.

pile of brown fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jan 17, 2018

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Amunet's actress is just THE.WORST.

Also like what even was the wardens plan? This former cop who regularly gets visits from his wife, a DA, and an active detective in charge of the meta hunting squad is going to just disappear from jail and nobody will notice? Or notice all the other metas disappearing? Maybe one or two a year but the entire meta population of the jail just vanishes and nobody would be worried or investigate?

pile of brown fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Feb 7, 2018

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
I mean if your options are "ignore the sand monster terrorizing the city" and "use the only weapon you've developed that works against him and is incidentally lethal," what are you gonna pick?

Plus, without doing any research the only villain I can remember from this season who isn't a murderer is Hazard... And that's not a new thing... They usually at least establish the bad guys as pretty bad before sciencing them to death

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

Azhais posted:

Cause it's objectively superior :colbert:

Metal is objectively superior :colbert:

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
I liked the Iris story this episode and one moment I haven't seen mentioned yet but really appreciated was the slow zoom in on Barry thrust into Iris' role and just freezing and panicking. There have been a couple scenes where she's shown to make hard decisions quickly in times of crisis.

They better kill melting point in the next episode because holy poo poo is his power OP. Why not use him to start stripping powers from the metas in Iron Heights and giving them to cops/govt agents? He'll still have a huge target on his back even after DeVoe has an aneurysm and dies while Team Flash is playing 4 dimensional chess in a force field prison or whatever dumb gimmick he uses to slowly kill them for an entire episode in the finale.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
She didn't even react when future flash daughter called her killer frost to her face in the coffee shop

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
I think it was the director

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
How are they even supposed to use the metal glob to destroy a network of satellites? If they're going to blow them up while they're conveniently together on the ground pre launch a regular old grenade would work as well or better than the magic bomb, but they have no reason to even think the satellites are currently on Earth, and theres no reason for them to still be anyways. Even if they're incomplete DeVoe should be tinkering with them in a place you'd need teleport powers to get to... Like a loving moonbase or something.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
You could tell a lot of this season's fx budget was in this ep, in a good way. I think they were trying to build to unleashing the thinker like this but they didn't nail the slow ominous burn nearly as well as s1, and the thinkers plan is too loving dumb to be compelling.

If we don't get Ralph back I'll be mad as hell. I think Marlize is gonna make a medical gadget and fix Harry before the final battle and then sacrifice herself to kill Clifford.

Did Caitlyn's mom die when she showed up? I don't remember. I was wondering if the flashback was hinting towards a previous wave of experimental metas seperate from particle accelerator, they've all had like 20 extra years to master their powers and blend in so could be credible individual threats or even like a cabal or something.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
I did some googling and saw that the villain is most likely Cicada but I have no idea who that character is from my cursory comics knowledge. From what I read about him he doesn't sound like a very good foil for the Flash but who knows.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

Xealot posted:

It doesn't particularly make sense to expect him to be huge. In this show and in the movies, they've been treating Flash more like a DC analog to Spider-Man. There's no shortage of hyper-muscled manly-men characters in these stories, and I'm glad this character feels different.

Literally, "ripped, muscular dude" is one of the central selling points of Arrow. Just watch that if you care so much about actor's bodies.

Those aren't the actors' bodies I care about and XS and Iris are both doing GREAT

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
They kind of gave it up after everyone found out Barry was the flash and then they all either didn't care or forgot

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
The character would have worked if they just had him channel Dr House and be an rear end in a top hat instead of the stupid French thing

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
See also: writing

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
This house is bitchin

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Cisco will refuse to allow it, Barry goes behind everyones back and steals the cure and tries to use it on cicada and it won't work because he's not actually a meta, his niece is, and then the cure will never be mentioned again for any reason.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

hatelull posted:

The breadcrumbs are there for sure. Hopefully this doesn't drag out for much longer. I get frustrated in situations where tension is created because the audience is aware of things the characters are not (in this case, Nora's creepy future pen pal).

This is called dramatic irony, and, when done well flash season 1 it is actually a Good Thing.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
The warehouse laboratory shootout was so stupid. Let's play laser tag for 5 minutes with these guns that fired exploding lasers in the beginning of this episode. Why did they keep running up more stairs?

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

Phenotype posted:

Aw, I thought this was a fun little surprise. I didn't expect to see a reasonable well-done shootout sequence set to Rob Zombie in The Flash.

The Rob zombie song was great, especially since I sang it at karaoke earlier that night, but we must have watched different shows if you saw a well done shootout.

I would have much preferred a shorter and more intense and relevant showdown with the lieutenant we'd met already and like 4-5 guys than an endless parade of redshirts, and then culminating in them pinning down the lieutenant; Goldface intervenes, dispatches his lieutenant for failing him and then showdown happens. This endless parade of dudes we don't care about falling down stairs was a pointless waste of time.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

Xelkelvos posted:

Did you miss the part where he just superman jumped away from the team during the last episode?

It's been established that he's also gotten super strong, but not necessarily super durable
The dagger flies and he holds onto it, it's been that way the whole season. This time the dagger was stuck inside him (again).

I still think he's a zombie or some poo poo though. They should have done the memory episode way earlier in the season, it would have made it more plausible that he kept getting away if there was the extra wrinkle of what his nieces meta powers are.

Writing this I also just realized that they've introduced this concept of "meta tech" for this season and he has a magic dagger, why do they even think their meta cure would do anything? And even if it makes him not super strong or whatever he still has a magic flying dagger. I used to love this show but I think I love to hate it now.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Our constitution explicitly allows bear arms that's a pretty reasonable precedent for allowing a giant man-shark

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

Burning_Monk posted:

It's only a matter of time that the cure serum is used on a member of the Team Flash.

It will get used on Ralph but then it turns out he squished all his meta-juice into his thumb like that episode of Adventure Time

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
sir, this is The Flash

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Didn't the museum name-drop red death in the memory episode?

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Since they aren't supposed to use Batman how dope would a Ray Palmer Red Death be?

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Ray shinks down into Barry's brain skull cavity and Ratatouilles barry into carrying him into the speed force

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Did they ever actually objectively confirm that she was even their real daughter? She could have been lying about that just like she's been lying about why she's in the past and what she's even been up to for reals this whole time as far as anyone knows. Remember when Barry needed his Thawne's help and he guessed Nora's name wrong?

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Wouldn't he have had to send her back to before he's committed 20 years of crimes for that to work? Time travel speed force whatever.

Although I guess Nora didn't know about nora

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
He was asking what events she changed that happened before her arrival and other than the episode where she and Barry time traveled to get the macguffins idk what else she's changed.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Also Stan Lee died pretty recently.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Growing up I had a VHS with some Shazam episodes and it was called Shazam but he was captain marvel. I remember an episode where the worm villain had a psychic helmet that (I think) made it rain, and one where they all got turned into lizards and couldn't say Shazam without lisping

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

SardonicTyrant posted:

Still can't believe this season's Wells was just French Sherlock Holmes. Like, no plot twists, he's exactly what he claims to be.

There was it was just early...

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
The savitar armor was to protect him because he was going so much faster or whatever

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Didn't barry speed clone himself and then do the same thing to run fast enough to make the speed demons notice zoom?

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Yeah but iirc in Crisis she's Ralph's wife and gets murdered and it's a big deal

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
Thanks for explaining, I don't really read DC.

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004

Blaise330 posted:

Cisco has a new girlfriend, you're lucky her death was halfway on-screen. I think they kinda want Vibe powers off the table completely for Crisis, they went from like 3-4 viber chars to 0.

They all just breach wherever they want anyway though and have a machine that "artificially" vibes for them too

ApeHawk posted:

During childbirth, they each keep forcing the other out to experience the pain.

Caitlin yells at Frost, "YOU DID THIS TO ME!"
I really don't want that and how much I don't want it worries me that it will happen. Probably w snakeye man for maximum awful ship pornography

pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
They literally never address.or explain where they come from on an individual basis. Breacher straight up asked Cisco if he could get his powers back with the machine and then just breached off at the end of the episode.

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pile of brown
Dec 31, 2004
The way they're shooting mirror Iris would be really weird if she's supposed to believe she is good, everything she does is tinged with malevolence, eye contact with the Iris trapped in the mirror, tense dramatic musical stings... It's just like how you knew something was seriously wrong with Wheelchair Wells even before we saw him do anything on screen.

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