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STAC Goat posted:I think the standard for quite awhile now has been "No assassinating dudes if it's avoidable but when in a gunfight with private armies equal force is ok." I think Rene and Dig's guns shoot rubber bullets. I mean, I know rubber bullets can still seriously injure people, but it's at least a tiny excuse.
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nine-gear crow posted:I want everyone on this show who's not Thea or Laurel to go away... which is ironic because I think Willa Holland doesn't want to be on this show anymore either I'm thinking the reintroduction of the League might be their way of writing Thea off the show. A group of Malcolm loyalists (which is really all that's left of the League anyway) track down his daughter to make her the same offer Ra's made to Oliver, Thea takes the opportunity to use the league to find her purpose and to take Roy to Nanda Parbat where he doesn't have to live like a fugitive.
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ShakeZula posted:I'm thinking the reintroduction of the League might be their way of writing Thea off the show. A group of Malcolm loyalists (which is really all that's left of the League anyway) track down his daughter to make her the same offer Ra's made to Oliver, Thea takes the opportunity to use the league to find her purpose and to take Roy to Nanda Parbat where he doesn't have to live like a fugitive. Making them League also is an easy way to reintroduce them if they want back in.
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Mar 10, 2018 08:54
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So we're really going with Diaz eh? This feels like Shao Khan dying halfway through mortal kombat and the final boss is Kano. Except without this guy being as cool as Kano
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Mar 10, 2018 13:13
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But he's like a super good fighter. Did you see him beat that guy up?
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Mar 10, 2018 15:14
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And he's really rich and thinks ten steps ahead, which is how he's paying off 90% of the police force and was about to just let Cayden James blow up the city before he unveiled his dubious plan of running it. Yeah, this is a major afterthought.
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Mar 10, 2018 17:34
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I like that he set this all in motion by killing Cayden's son sometime back in the Damien Darkh season, all on the off chance that Cayden might eventually, maybe, somehow escape from ARGUS custody.
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Mar 10, 2018 18:37
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Like this week's Flash, it wasn't a bad episode per se, just that the underlying plot framework is held together by chewing gum and baling wire.
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nooneofconsequence posted:But he's like a super good fighter. Did you see him beat that guy up? Yeah he's so good it took him 10 whole seconds to get captured by Rene and Curtis, the two worst fighters on team arrow.
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Laterite posted:Like this week's Flash, it wasn't a bad episode per se, just that the underlying plot framework is held together by chewing gum and baling wire. Well yeah but that's basically everything past... I don't know, the first season probably?
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STAC Goat posted:Oliver doesn't have a "don't kill" rule as much as an "exhibit self control and don't kill as a first resort" rule. That was basically the resolution of the Darkh, Ra's, and Prometheus stuff. The rule seems to be "You can kill anyone except the one guy whose death would actually make any difference." Special exception for the last episode of the season when he's finally allowed to actually fight the boss for real.
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Phenotype posted:No, he totally beat up that guy just now, and told him that karate matches aren't the same as people actually trying to kill you, so you know he's a badass. What more do you need? Need to see him sighing as he draws a katana
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Tiggum posted:The rule seems to be "You can kill anyone except the one guy whose death would actually make any difference." Special exception for the last episode of the season when he's finally allowed to actually fight the boss for real. Yeah this point gets even more obvious when they just had a brutal fight scene where they killed like a dozen people. Only for Oliver to get frustrated and run away when faced with the guy responsible for everything.  "We don't cross that line"  "You just crossed it 20 times""We aren't judge, jury and executioner"*points at pile of dead bodies*"Diaz will face justice, in a court of law. Even if he is controlling the police and his own private military force.""Fine. Why didn't we kill Anatoli? He wants nothing but revenge and has been nothing but a problem and almost destroyed the city." "Oh, that's easy. Anatoli needs to remember our brotherhood at an opportune moment and get shot so we can have a nice death scene and wrap up the bratva storyline"
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VictorianQueerLit posted:
Speaking of which, did they explain how Anatoly fell from his position as the
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TwoPair posted:Speaking of which, did they explain how Anatoly fell from his position as the He blames Oliver for giving him an optimistic outlook, making him weak, and not sticking around to help.
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I'd argue that there's a basic ethical difference between killing someone in the middle of a fire fight and executing someone as is often the case in those "X should see proper justice" scenes. Not to mention that the writers tend to add complications to executing the bad guy such as "you can't kill Laurel because we need her to tell her where the city's money is." Obviously Arrow tends to draw that poo poo out to the very reaches of acceptable reasoning and sometimes beyond so they can get to the end of the season. But that's just TV.TwoPair posted:Speaking of which, did they explain how Anatoly fell from his position as the He's just kind of bitter and angry that Oliver abandoned him and then everything went to poo poo. Thematically it was supposed to work as him having warned Oliver that going it alone and becoming the Arrow would make him a monster but since Oliver found his team/family it was actually Anatoly who ended up being "alone" and becoming a "monster" when his "brother" left him.
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I always liked how the first season of Daredevil handled the "no lethal force" question. Matt mentions that he tries not to kill people, but if a dude ends up in traction or a coma he's not gonna cry himself to sleep about it. And then Daredevil season 2 went to hell and back to the standard "Im a hero and can't kill" namby pamby rote bullshit.
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Just like I hate Flash but watch because of the character interaction, I hate this show but watch for the fights and Digg stabbing a dude with an arrow and then shooting him in the face
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Narcissus1916 posted:I always liked how the first season of Daredevil handled the "no lethal force" question. Matt mentions that he tries not to kill people, but if a dude ends up in traction or a coma he's not gonna cry himself to sleep about it. Eh, its kind of the opposite. Matt DOES cry himself to sleep. He's riddled with Catholic guilt for his actions and that's the entire nature of his relationship with the priest. He's constantly seeking forgiveness and approval for his actions. But he still thinks they're necessary and something he's willing to drat his soul for to save others. Matt didn't backtrack on anything in S2. The big dramatic build of S1 is that the beatings and broken bones that he's been struggling to hold back his guilt about graduate into "God, do I have to kill these men and can I live with that?" Matt's walking down a road the entire time which the priest is trying to get him to see. Once he gets there he faces the struggle he was always going to and when Frank and Elektra show up in S2 with zero regard for human life and the guilt free sleep of psychopaths its Matt's worst fears coming back at him. If you want cold, callous murderers who never question their actions they don't usually come in "hero" form.
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The no kill thing would make more sense if the villains where less vile and hateful. Like if Ollie had just killed Diaz right there, that would have solved a lot of problems. And I really hope no one is actually trushing Black Siren. I mean, they're really dumb this season, but they can't be that dumb.
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Anyone know why the show is taking another break?
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twistedmentat posted:The no kill thing would make more sense if the villains where less vile and hateful. Like if Ollie had just killed Diaz right there, that would have solved a lot of problems. With Cayden James it made sense because he repeatedly said "If I don't report back to my associates they will detonate the huge bomb" The reason to not kill Diaz, the mastermind behind all crime in a city on the edge of destruction, is...... It can't be that they don't want to cross the line into becoming killers because I'm pretty sure that young looking henchman that was shocked Oliver just shot him straight in the heart had less of a reason to be executed on the spot than the guy behind every problem who will continue killing people if he gets away.
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Mar 14, 2018 03:30
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They do it every year so they can land in sweeps later.
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STAC Goat posted:Eh, its kind of the opposite. Matt DOES cry himself to sleep. He's riddled with Catholic guilt for his actions and that's the entire nature of his relationship with the priest. He's constantly seeking forgiveness and approval for his actions. But he still thinks they're necessary and something he's willing to drat his soul for to save others. Yeah, I can see that interpretation. For me I appreciated that the crux of the season wasn't another WAHHHHHH DO I KILL WAHHHH dilemma. Season 1 interrogated the ways that masculinity and violence intertwine, plus the commentary of gentrification, plus the fantastic character shading of Matt and Wilson's dads.
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twistedmentat posted:The no kill thing would make more sense if the villains where less vile and hateful. Like if Ollie had just killed Diaz right there, that would have solved a lot of problems. They're dumb using real world logic but in Arrowverse logic their trust is probably ultimately well-placed and Black Siren will become good and a regular on the team next year. Or possibly she'll go to jail then they'll contrive a way for her to get out and be on the team next year.
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The Lord Bude posted:Anyone know why the show is taking another break? Need time to debug their random plotline generator
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I already solved the Black Siren problem. She dies. While dead she encounters original Laurels soul, they fight, she goes to hell and our Laurel comes back. Bring in John to smooth poo poo out.
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Rhyno posted:I already solved the Black Siren problem. Legends just got a nice doodad that helps with stuff like dead sisters. I'd wage my future children on it.
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Me every time Black Siren called Quentin "my father": Ugh, gross. Me that one time she called him Lance, then corrected herself and said "my father" again: Finally! Stop doing tha--Ugh. Gross. e: The weirdest part of it is it's not bad acting or even an objectively bad plot direction. It's just gross. Zutaten fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Following Stephen Amell on twitter is great because he basically baits trolls on Olicity.
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As a way to write Thea out of the show, hunting down Lazarus pits with Roy and Nyssa is a pretty good one.
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howe_sam posted:As a way to write Thea out of the show, hunting down Lazarus pits with Roy and Nyssa is a pretty good one. Bring Roy to Legends. Camp Ref'ugee. The team is down one gay man.
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Nyssa taunting Felicity about her being married to Oliver was great. I guess the DA doesn't need Roy to testify anymore? Did I miss something or do they just not care that their star witness is missing.
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howe_sam posted:As a way to write Thea out of the show, hunting down Lazarus pits with Roy and Nyssa is a pretty good one. Someone get the Legends team on an Outlaws spinoff stat. Not the Arrow team though. For the love of gods, not the Arrow team.
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Chokes McGee posted:Someone get the Legends team on an Outlaws spinoff stat. I hate to break it to you, but Guggenheim is in charge of both shows.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Nyssa taunting Felicity about her being married to Oliver was great. You didn't miss anything. They even pointed out how it was so weird that they don't care in spite of their star witness going missing.
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In fairness he wasn't actually a star witness as they were beating him to try and get him to testify against Oliver. So its not like they actually lost anything. All they could do is pursue an investigation to find the person who they were criminally holding and beating to try and extort a testimonial that would kill their case and send them all to jail. It was kind of a dumb way to get Roy back involved to get Thea uninvolved. I like Roy and all but seems like they could have just done the Nyssa thing to write Thea out. Roy kind of didn't have any purpose. He really needs to meet Wally and find some new friends.
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I'm just glad that Roy got one more flip in before being written off the show. Although really the whole thing seemed kind of weird, like they were prepping a spin off that isn't happening.
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muscles like this! posted:I'm just glad that Roy got one more flip in before being written off the show. It's a way to write them off in a position that can reintroduce them when they need to, whether it be back with Arrow, some new show, or the Legends. Also, I still want a reunion between Nyssa and Sara because the longer they keep them separated, the more awkward it's gonna be.
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Yeah, I'm fine with the way they wrote them off and the idea that Nyssa and Thea are off having adventures and can show up alone or together later. Roy's inclusion and reintroducing just feels very superfulous. I get that they were trying to give Thea some happy reason to leave so Oliver and everyone was cool with it in a way they wouldn't have been if she had just gone off with Nyssa to dodge Assasins. But Roy was third wheeled so bad that they wrote in him moping about it and then inviting himself along. Which makes me laugh, but just makes me want him to meet Wally more.
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