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Lolie posted:Crystal meth is no longer regarded as a "gutter drug" here and although it hasn't happened yet, I suspect that eventually we're going to see some kind of "started on ADHD drugs" narrative (prescription amphetamines have been abused since Adam was a pup), with some measure of blame laid at the feet of both pharmaceutical companies and doctors who overdiagnose ADHD. A buddy of mine claimed to have started on ADHD medicine, but when he moved states, lost his insurance, and couldn’t get his normal adderall script, he started smoking meth every once in awhile to “balance” himself out. I’m sure it was just his bullshit way to excuse the fact that he become a full blown addict, but at this point it doesn’t matter because after basically melting down into a deep state of paranoia, he played Russian Roulette with a 38 special and blew half of his head off (almost a year ago to the day now that I think about it).
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Mirthless posted:i'm a lot happier of a person after trying MDMA, shrooms and LSD. I use them very seldom but I wouldn't trade those experiences for the world. I think MDMA should probably mostly only see use as a therapeutic drug because there is some addiction potential and brain damage is a long term consequence of use (from chronic/over use) but it's bizarre that LSD and Shrooms are schedule 1 when they shouldn't be scheduled at all. Psychedelics can be very humbling and some people really need that. Ego death changed the way I viewed the world on a fundamental level. I think everybody should get to experience that, at least once. They are going to reschedule MDMA and psilocybin for PTSD and treatment resistant depression. The human trials are already in the pipeline.
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What does "cancer pain" feel like?
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Oxy and percocet are essentially the same thing dummy the only difference is dosage and delivery I know, but I was kind of continuing on the 'opioids don't seem to do anything for me' 'you probably just got percocet, not 'the strongest painkiller of all'' with a 'yeah, even percocet and oxy are majorly different in strength (and oxy is far from 'THE STRONGEST')', but I guess I didn't convey it very well because I'm dumb, and it was pretty redundant. Sorry.
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Jim Barris posted:What happened is that doctor was blowing smoke and I'm guessing gave you some variant of Percocet. Opana is the strongest pain pill I can think of and theres no way to take it where one could describe it as "non-euphoric". Funnily enough considering the thread topic fentanyl fits the description rather well as it is very much not particularly euphroic. But they don't make fent pills. Not everyone gets euphoria from opiates/opioids. I've had IV morphine and IV fentanyl in a medical setting and they were both distinctly unpleasant to the extent that I'd rather avoid having them in the future. Oral codeine and oral oxycodone both take away pain for me without making me feel awful. IM meperidine doesn't even work to relieve pain and makes me feel awful into the bargain. I sometimes think the way different people experience the same drug is overlooked when trying to understand addiction in general. We know that about 10% of people using drugs recreationally will become addicted (and that's a figure which has been consistent over a very long period), but we treat that as information which is somehow unimportant.
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Lolie posted:Not everyone gets euphoria from opiates/opioids. I've had IV morphine and IV fentanyl in a medical setting and they were both distinctly unpleasant to the extent that I'd rather avoid having them in the future. Oral codeine and oral oxycodone both take away pain for me without making me feel awful. IM meperidine doesn't even work to relieve pain and makes me feel awful into the bargain. IV morphine is similar for me, I find it profoundly unpleasant. It feels awful when it's injected and it makes my stomach churn. It also lasts about 3 hours before it wears off which I understand is faster than expected. I don't really understand recreational use of opiates, codeine feels decent but my antidepressant (wellbutrin) dulls the effect substantially. Dilaudid was great on a push-button drip though. I know opiates aren't for me based on my experiences in a hospital setting. It does not take long before the side effects outstrip the recreational benefits completely. The itching is really the worst part of it all. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 14, 2017 |
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Mirthless posted:IV morphine is similar for me, I find it profoundly unpleasant. It feels awful when it's injected and it makes my stomach churn. It also lasts about 3 hours before it wears off which I understand is faster than expected. I don't really understand recreational use of opiates, codeine feels decent but my antidepressant (wellbutrin) dulls the effect substantially. Dilaudid was great on a push-button drip though. What other drugs are you on?
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im high on LIFE
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Well be it oxycodone, methadone, benzos or the occasional mdma or amphetamines I doubt I'd be a functioning member of the society, nor would I be paying taxes like hell. Doctors were never of any help re: anxiety and depression. The medicines like SNRI and other poo poo I went through nearly destroyed the career I had built for myself over the years. I'm a northern Euroopan and I can say with confidence the doctors be it government healthcare or private sector, mostly have no clue as to what they're doing. Can't say I blame them for all of it since they make decisions based on a 20 minute meeting with a total stranger. But yeah the opiate euphoria, not all opiates give a noticeable high. Like methadone, you might get a small fuzzy feeling, feel tired (or die If you're dumb) but mostly it's really a pain relief or your on a program to taper down on other styff. Oxy etc gives the euphoria, also your tolerance builds up ridiculously fast. I'd hate to be an alcoholic, though. That one is just so messy.
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:What other drugs are you on? Did you just miss the part where I said "in a hospital setting"? Or were you willfully ignoring it?
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Have Blue posted:im high on LIFE i thought you couldn't patent LIFE as a name for your pharmaceuticals but hey
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Mirthless posted:IV morphine is similar for me, I find it profoundly unpleasant. It feels awful when it's injected and it makes my stomach churn. I've never gotten nauseated or itchy from an opiate/opioid, but morphine gives me a killer headache which lasts well beyond its analgesic effect on the acute pain for which it's been given. From reading TCC, a lot of people do get the unpleasant side effects using opiates recreationally but because they also get the nice effects they've come to associate them with an enjoyable payoff. If you've never had that nice payoff, it's easy to see why you'd be disinclined to try using them recreationally. I get the appeal in the abstract sense. I don't disbelieve people when they say a specific class of drugs makes them feel good. It's just not true for everyone . If it was, then you wouldn't have people who love uppers but can't stand downers, or vice versa. The lack of predictable, universal response also makes pain management in a medical setting challenging.
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Mirthless posted:Did you just miss the part where I said "in a hospital setting"? Or were you willfully ignoring it? You just said you were on antidepressants and also LSD and a whole bunch of other stuff
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Mirthless posted:yeah, mandatory executions for having drugs, that's definitely a success story we should emulate It fixes the problem permanently. A bullet in the head for the dealers and mandatory rehab for the addicts and if it doesn't stick then they get culled too. Cheap and 100% effective and you don't have to change the rules of society and dress up statistics to pretend making a bunch of illegal poo poo legal is a good idea.
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spudsbuckley posted:It fixes the problem permanently. But other countries try this approach and Singapore, the country barely bigger than Oklahoma City with a population half as large as NYC is the only one that can pull it off successfully. Hmmm. I wonder why that might be? spudsbuckley posted:Cheap and 100% effective and you don't have to change the rules of society and dress up statistics to pretend making a bunch of illegal poo poo legal is a good idea. you would have to rewrite the constitution to do what Singapore does here. Mirthless fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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WatermelonGun posted:I like weed yeah ok calm down bro
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My wife was on fentanyl patches for extreme pain when she was pregnant with twins and had an interuterine tumor the size of a literal volleyball. Ive posted about this a lot I had to wear gloves while administering the patches. One time I picked up a patch, still in its packaging, opened it up, said "oh dang i forgot to put on gloves" put the patch down and put on gloves. I touched it with my fingertips for maybe 5 seconds max 30 minutes later i laid down, woozy, and slept 8 hours in the middle of the day. Im a 210 pound man who has pretty deec drug tolerance. poo poo be strong
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They give these out at my dentist's office. I like the root beer flavor most.
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The fent patches have warnings on them to not fall asleep on top of the patch or take a shower with one on. A single patch lasts 72 hours and if they get hot from being slept on or hot shower water they release too much fent and you die. Fun times!
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Wouldn't that be bad for the twins No, I don't think opioids have any direct effects on breast tissue
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sincx posted:So this is how the opioid crisis started. the pharma comapnies cut off your supply. the dea is invetigatng youre in dts
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man im trying to remember the name of the drug i got after surgery one time. every part of me felt incredibly heavy and it made me feel sick to try to move. it must have been effective in eliminating the pain because i couldnt feel a thing though. recreationally i wouldnt enjoy it
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Wouldn't that be bad for the twins Right? You'd think being born literally addicted to super-heroin would impact the babies. But the doctors were so nonchalant, "we'll just put them on fentanyl and slowly lower the dosage." That's what they did, and it worked totally fine, even with babies that weighed 2 and 3 pounds. 5 years later the twins show no delays nor defecr. I've read that, every ten years since the 1970's, neonatal technology has gone up a magnitude in terms of effectiveness, and I can believe it.
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Drunk Nerds posted:being born literally addicted to super-heroin
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gary oldmans diary posted:man im trying to remember the name of the drug i got after surgery one time. every part of me felt incredibly heavy and it made me feel sick to try to move. it must have been effective in eliminating the pain because i couldnt feel a thing though. recreationally i wouldnt enjoy it Not feeling anything is often the point, tragically.
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Mirthless posted:Did you just miss the part where I said "in a hospital setting"? Or were you willfully ignoring it? that's not an answer.
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Mirthless posted:available in doses up to 1600mcg "poo poo happens". You get what you get in that situation.
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gary oldmans diary posted:man im trying to remember the name of the drug i got after surgery one time. every part of me felt incredibly heavy and it made me feel sick to try to move. it must have been effective in eliminating the pain because i couldnt feel a thing though. recreationally i wouldnt enjoy it I know that feeling. Sounds like you were "high on life."
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sawbones, a medical history podcast recommended by some other goons, talks about the opiod crisis, and one of the things they pointed out was that america dealt with drug addiction was with other drugs. we treated alcoholism with morphine, morphine with cocaine, cocaine with heroin.. it was assumed that these new drugs were non addictive. some drug company gave out samples via the mail. i think largely the issue in america is we still see addiction as a moral failing vs a disease. i think drug clinics and government addiction facilities would be a good thing to combat addiction, but that doesnt seem popular right now. i also think that denying any substance research opportunity is dumb. (schedule 1 drugs). i think drugs should lean towards being legal, mainly because we can regulate them. humans have been doing drugs forever, we are going to continue doing them. making them illegal does more harm.
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Ein cooler Typ posted:drugs are for losers Weed is great dude facebook jihad posted:Those are devices used to treat dying cancer patients. They aren’t actually lollipops. Jesus Christ nice av SCROTO TURBOSPERG posted:Badass. It’s piss
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The 'Linda' episode of Intervention involved an addiction to fentanyl - and I want to say specifically the pops. It was one of the harshest things to watch. The intervention itself was a train wreck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_tRTmquOCo Her episode is the first one of season 8, if you want to go hunting for the full episode. I think that clip came from a recap they did later in the series. 
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Artsygrrl posted:The 'Linda' episode of Intervention involved an addiction to fentanyl - and I want to say specifically the pops. It was one of the harshest things to watch. I'm more aware then most of how sad this is but the way she just straight up runs off screaming really cracks me up.
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Can't imagine my reaction would of been any less extreme if I'd been put in that position when I had a really bad smack habit. Still though, lol
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Plus there were obviously big cameras in the room which is always a big no no.
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has anyone said Num-Nums yet
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Xaintrailles posted:I know that feeling. Sounds like you were "high on life."
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Cantaloupe posted:has anyone said Num-Nums yet I want some num-nums
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