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Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


stranger danger posted:

you'll notice that this is a separate podcast lol. not that it really changes anything because ending slavery is immensely good even if he went nuts on some french dudes so hating robespierre is dumb.

also i'm not a communist, but liberalism being the status quo and a reactionary force is plainly obvious and you should try not to get """""triggered"""" by your assumptions of what people think

the gently caress are you even talking about dude

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Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

Typo posted:

even Hitler thought Christianity destroyed rome

I'm serious btw

He had some interesting ideas about classical civilizations, yes. Still was more grounded in reality than Himmler, somehow.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

Dreddout posted:

It's also further proof of Chapo's thesis "Behind every great man, there's a brutal cucking"

What episode is that from?

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Even if Gibbon is discredited his book is a good read and a good insight in 18th century historiography and it inspired a real cool book I recently read, Decline and Fall of the Ottoman Empire

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Plutonis posted:

Even if Gibbon is discredited his book is a good read and a good insight in 18th century historiography and it inspired a real cool book I recently read, Decline and Fall of the Ottoman Empire
the decline theory re: ottoman history is horribly outdated as well

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Triangle Shirt Factotum posted:

What episode is that from?

The Napoleon episode

Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

stranger danger posted:

robespierre ended slavery in the french empire in 1794 and IIRC still remains something of a hero in haiti to this day. then slavery came back when napoleon took over aka it's a shame max wasn't more pragmatic in holding onto power.

He repeatedly highlights this changing relationship between the metropole and her Haitian subjects and how that changed over the course of the French and Haitian revolutions. Mike highlights this in his chapter after France if you rage-quit right there. Furthermore I would take issue with describing emancipation as descending down from the white ruler. C. L. R. James says it best in The Black Jacobins that what was truely revolutionary in Haiti was that it was Self-Emancipation.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


us brits make a big deal out of ending slavery when we did but it was only after industrialisation meant slavery was now pointless and actually the government just bought all the slaves off the slaveowners then made them do 4 years of unpaid work until they could be properly free and didn't compensate them anything because they were property.

the most british solution to slavery imaginable imo

ok it coulda been more british if we'd also hosed all the kids

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

nopantsjack posted:


ok it coulda been more british if we'd also hosed all the kids

you think they didn't?

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
I want to tell the story of the ancient JEB! Quintus Servilius Caepio the Elder and his cucked son Quintus Servilius Caepio the Younger



In the Battle of Arausio in 105 BC, Caepio led one of the two forces against the Germanic tribes (the Teutones, the Cimbri, and Tigurini/Marcomanni/Cherusci) along with the consul Gnaeus Mallius Maximus. Caepio was from old money elite.

At the Battle of Arausio, Caepio refused to co-operate with his superior officer, the consul Gnaeus Mallius Maximus, who was a novus homo "new man", not a member of the Roman elite. Caepio refused even to camp with Maximus and his troops; when it appeared that Maximus was going to reach a treaty and take the glory for the resolution, Caepio ordered his men to engage the Germans, and the battle that ensued saw the complete destruction of the Roman army (between 80,000 to 120,000 men).

Plutarch, in his “Life of Marius”, mentions that the soil of the fields the battle had been fought upon were made so fertile by human remains that they were able to produce “magna copia” (a great quantity) of yield for many years.

Upon his return to Rome, Caepio was tried for "the loss of his army" by a tribune of the plebs, Gaius Norbanus. Despite being defended by the orator and consul Lucius Licinius Crassus, Caepio was convicted and was given the harshest sentence allowable: he was stripped of his citizenship, forbidden fire and water within eight hundred miles of Rome, nominally fined 15,000 talents (about 825,000 lb) of gold, and forbidden to see or speak to his friends or family until he had left for exile.

His ineptitude led to the Marian Reforms.

His cucked son on the other hand was probably responsible for the Social War (he opposed giving citizenship to allied Italian cities) and then murdered by those same allies during the war.

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Caepio served as quaestor in 103 BC. During that year, his father, Q. Servilius Caepio the Elder, was tried before the people by the tribune Gaius Norbanus for his catastrophic loss at the Battle of Arausio. The younger Caepio tried to use violence to oppose Norbanus and his ally, Lucius Appuleius Saturninus, but his father was nonetheless exiled. Caepio's violent tactics were used as a pretext many years later in 95 BC when he was tried by an unknown prosecutor. However, thanks to the defense of the consul Lucius Licinius Crassus, Caepio was acquitted.

In 92 BC, Caepio prosecuted Marcus Aemilius Scaurus, the eminent princeps senatus, for supposed provincial extortion and, it seems, for taking bribes from Mithridates VI of Pontus. Scaurus managed to issue a counter-accusation against Caepio, and the two accusations collapsed; but Scaurus was apparently driven by the experience of the affair to side with Caepio's brother-in-law, M. Livius Drusus, who was to be tribune in 91 BC.

Alongside the consul L. Mucius Philippus, Caepio became the chief opponent of the legislative programme of Livius Drusus, including the laws aimed at giving full citizenship to the Italians. Pliny said that the dispute between the two started many years earlier because of a golden ring. Caepio, it was rumored, was even involved in the assassination of Drusus, an event commonly seen by ancient sources as the start of the Social War. Later, during that conflict Caepio was made a Legate in the Roman Army. He was captured and executed by the Italian allies after being tricked into leaving a secure position.

Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013

The best part about Rome was that the oligarchs insisted on ruling directly as opposed through proxies and they invariably got themselves killed.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Brother Friendship posted:

The best part about Rome was that the oligarchs insisted on ruling directly as opposed through proxies and they invariably got themselves killed.

that was honestly one of the best features of the system op

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

(Bar/Brothel of Innulus and Papilio); 3932: Weep, you girls. My penis has given you up. Now it penetrates men’s behinds. Goodbye, wondrous femininity!

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Top City Homo posted:

I want to tell the story of the ancient JEB! Quintus Servilius Caepio the Elder and his cucked son Quintus Servilius Caepio the Younger



In the Battle of Arausio in 105 BC, Caepio led one of the two forces against the Germanic tribes (the Teutones, the Cimbri, and Tigurini/Marcomanni/Cherusci) along with the consul Gnaeus Mallius Maximus. Caepio was from old money elite.

At the Battle of Arausio, Caepio refused to co-operate with his superior officer, the consul Gnaeus Mallius Maximus, who was a novus homo "new man", not a member of the Roman elite. Caepio refused even to camp with Maximus and his troops; when it appeared that Maximus was going to reach a treaty and take the glory for the resolution, Caepio ordered his men to engage the Germans, and the battle that ensued saw the complete destruction of the Roman army (between 80,000 to 120,000 men).

Plutarch, in his “Life of Marius”, mentions that the soil of the fields the battle had been fought upon were made so fertile by human remains that they were able to produce “magna copia” (a great quantity) of yield for many years.

Upon his return to Rome, Caepio was tried for "the loss of his army" by a tribune of the plebs, Gaius Norbanus. Despite being defended by the orator and consul Lucius Licinius Crassus, Caepio was convicted and was given the harshest sentence allowable: he was stripped of his citizenship, forbidden fire and water within eight hundred miles of Rome, nominally fined 15,000 talents (about 825,000 lb) of gold, and forbidden to see or speak to his friends or family until he had left for exile.

His ineptitude led to the Marian Reforms.

His cucked son on the other hand was probably responsible for the Social War (he opposed giving citizenship to allied Italian cities) and then murdered by those same allies during the war.

Caepio ended up being OK, a few years before he had looted a Gallic temple of a huge sum of gold and silver, but all the gold "mysteriously disappeared" while being transported home.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

sullat posted:

Caepio ended up being OK, a few years before he had looted a Gallic temple of a huge sum of gold and silver, but all the gold "mysteriously disappeared" while being transported home.

there is fan fiction written by ancient roman historians who claimed he was caught by surviving family members of the slain soldiers and dismembered before being hanged but in reality he just retired to ancient turkey probably with a lot of the gold

Brother Friendship
Jul 12, 2013

Top City Homo posted:

there is fan fiction written by ancient roman historians who claimed he was caught by surviving family members of the slain soldiers and dismembered before being hanged but in reality he just retired to ancient turkey probably with a lot of the gold

i wanna meet ancient rome c-spam posters

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Brother Friendship posted:

The best part about Rome was that the oligarchs insisted on ruling directly as opposed through proxies and they invariably got themselves killed.

The client system was pretty strange

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Brother Friendship posted:

i wanna meet ancient rome c-spam posters

Read Suentonis

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got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
the fault dear brute lies not with the stars but within thine parents: slay them

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