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Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

The Kins posted:

It was kind of a dress rehearsal for the PS1, a lot of the good games on the 3DO got ports there.

The one notable omission of 3DO -> PS1 ports is The Horde, which ended up on Saturn instead (and rules). Pretty much everything worth playing on it ended up on other platforms within a year or two of its death.

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Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Parappa the Rapper and Um Jammer Lammy are two must-plays and the quintessence of the PS1 era's attitude/aesthetic IMO. There is no game that's more "1997" than Parappa.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Shlomo Palestein posted:

I feel like I've been gaslit on Wipeout. Every single game has the shittiest possible controls and seems to rely solely on map memorization. Is there a trick to making the floatycars actually...turn or is that part of the charm?

You should only be turning with the handbrakes.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

SwissCM posted:

I always preferred Rollcage (particularly it's sequel) over Wipeout but the PS1 versions aren't really worth bothering with, the PC ports still work well.

Wipeout 3 is one of the best looking PS1 games and a showcase for the system, IMO. It's also one of the few all-480i games for the system.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Neddy Seagoon posted:

That's not really a bad thing though. Besides, Sony was excellent with emulating their PS1 games across three platforms with just the one version so it's got a far better chance of being good than the Sega or NEOGEO mini's.

It's baffling to me how hard it has been for publishers to emulate the Genesis in compilations/miniaturized hardware accurately, when there have been multiple, highly accurate emulators available on PCs for years.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Code Jockey posted:

Amen.

I will go to my grave defending FF8. It's a good game, drat it.

Also, Metal Gear Solid may not "require" analog sticks, but I can't imagine playing it without them.

Worth pointing out that the PS1 didn't have rumble until the Dual Shock, which MGS utilized heavily. You're missing out on a big part of the game without it.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

EugeneJ posted:

Remember though that if it has similar innards to the NES/SNES Mini, the games will be on flash storage that would have wayyyyyy more space than the Nintendo Minis did , so adding ROMs and such from other systems would be easier

If every ISO is 600-ish MBs, that means Playstation Classic would need at least a 16GB of flash memory to hold 20 games

SNES Classic only has 512 MB of flash memory, for comparison

Most PS1 games hover around the 300-400Mb mark, and sometimes less than that. Vagrant Story is less than 100MB, for example. On the other hand, the multi-disc RPGs they loaded up with FMV stretch into the 1GB-2GB range.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

BIG IMAGE POST INCOMING

Sup Retro Goons, long time lurker here. I have been very fond of retro gaming for a long time now, collecting stuff when I can find good deals as well as having the virtue of never letting go of anything. I've kept up with this thread over the years learning a lot from you all about retro setups and finding the best equipment/solutions to playing vintage games on legitimate hardware. Only recently have I been able to start putting money regularly toward building a setup, and I think I've finally gotten it to a place where I feel like it's worth sharing. Last weekend I scored a Sony Trinitron KV-27FS13 with HD Retrovision Genesis 1/2 and SNES cables and now have everything hooked with a minimum of S-Video. I'm not hardcore enough yet to jump into RGB/Scart, but I am pretty satisfied with what I've got now.



We have a pretty small 2 bedroom apartment, so I'm sharing the 2nd bedroom with my spouse's art and small office space. This has meant keeping my software in plastic tubs, but it beats having them hiding in boxes in the basement.

(don't worry about the radiator; it's dead and never runs.)



I've been picking up NES carts on the cheap for maybe 2 decades now, but I prefer to use emulation for a number of reasons. I'm mostly collecting towards a complete selection of favorites and interesting niche titles, and I've pretty much hit the brakes on getting more carts despite some notable absences.



I used to have a very excellent collection of CIB Genesis carts (Phantasy Star 2, Ghouls and Ghosts, Shinobi 3, Gunstar Heroes (!), Gaires (!), Lightening Force (!) ) but gave them all away with an Gen 2 as a gift to a friend. I am pretty sure they pawned all of it shortly afterward and I deeply regret it now. I use a Mega Everdrive x5 instead, now, but I'm still on the lookout for complete Genesis carts.



I've held my SNES carts closer to my chest though, and I'm pretty close to having everything I want. If I buy anything more in the future it will probably be for translated Repros, of SFC carts.



I'm really excited at how much new life the Component Genesis cable has breathed into my Sega CD. I'm going through Lunar 2 again for the first time in ages and it's been a real delight. Plus, it's awfully nice that the Sega CD plays backups right out of the box....



More Saturn stuff and some Dreamcast goodies. Lots of unmarked, disc-only stuff here, because I've kept my Saturn in play since 1997 and I bought a lot of things from dying rental stores back in the 90s. Some notable disc only stuff here is Virtua Fighter 2, Gungriffon, Robotica, Nights Into Dreams, and Soul Reaver/Power Stone/SF3 Double Impact on Dreamcast. The "blank" Saturn box is Astal. I'm not sure if this is the same for all copies or if mine's a misprint.




Really satisfied with my PS1 collection. I've got discs of pretty much everything I want barring Suikoden I/II. They all still work great. I'm tempted to start importing but I'm not sure what I would want to acquire.



IMO the centerpiece of my disc collection are these Saturn imports, which I have been slowly adding to for about 13 years. I got a bunch of very nice things here at reasonable prices way back, and I'm a little heartbroken I've missed the "affordable Saturn imports" window. I would really love to snatch up some more shmups but they are all prohibitively expensive. I can't read Japanese, but I'm happy using Pseudo Saturn with English patches. Saturn Bomberman just arrived today!



Everything I've got hooked up has *some* kind of softmod or exploit running, so I've never tried doing any hardware modifications. I have these guys here waiting in the wings for eventual modchip or SD Loader projects.


Lastly, since you all love CRT porn, some photos I've taken this week:



:nsfw: :nsfw:


So yeah, that's my collection. I went a little hogwild this last month putting stuff together, but I think my next move will be a PC Engine Core w/ a Super SD System 3. Naturally I have a huge tub of Wii, GCN, and PS2 discs hiding out in a closet, since they're kind of pointless after putting in an HDD. I hope you enjoy the pics, and I look forward to being more active in this thread!

Zoph fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Sep 22, 2018

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Jet Set Radio Future is IMO the main thing worth picking up the machine for that you can't find elsewhere. I know Ninja Gaiden Black and PDO are on XB1 and they are both massive upgrades in every way over playing them on the OG Xbox.

If I had one again I would probably jump on Dead or Alive 3 and 2 Ultimate, because iirc those aren't available anywhere else and I had a lot of fun with each.

Zoph fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Sep 24, 2018

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Null of Undefined posted:

Honestly the only thing I can’t come to terms with is spending all this time and effort to try and replicate an arcade experience, and then just playing on widescreen.

It's for tate mode, clearly :downs:

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Some nice gets today, if we're counting Wii as Retro now:

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005



So retro goons, what can I do with this multitap besides Bomberman and Guardian Heroes?

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Here in Omaha a chain that had been around for over 20 years went under in spectacular fashion. Early in the year, they had two locations in Iowa. They told the employees they were remodeling, so they instructed them to pack up all of the merchandise and ship it back to Omaha, then pink-slipped everybody by text message when it was done.


They closed the two locations in Lincoln without much fanfare a few months later, and then just last Monday fired everyone by text in Omaha after hours and immediately shut down everything. Tons of people have store credit with them and were instructed to raise hell with the BBB by *all of the local news outlets* to get it back. Basically just a massive poo poo show all around.

About 15 years ago the chain was excellent, but the quality across the board dropped *hard* right around the time of the recession, and it had become a pathetic shadow of itself in the last 5-6 years especially. There is also some speculation that local state crackdown on pawn shops reporting stolen goods also played a part in the rapid collapse, because they were notorious for scooping up stolen stuff.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

wa27 posted:

Was that Gamers? I always liked the Lincoln store, though it has been about 7 years since I was there. Once I bought a huge box of broken Genesis controllers for cheap from their eBay shop and fixed them up.

There is a store called Game Cycle in the GI/Hastings/Kearney area that opened a few years ago. It's decent, but I'm surprised it's still open. It's always dead when I'm there.

It was Gamers, yeah. From what I remember the Lincoln stores were much better managed than the Omaha locations. Now a small chain called Gameroom is eating their lunch (I helped them a little getting started a bit over a decade ago, great guys), and Omaha is pretty much dead except for one excellent store called Ben's Game Zone in Ralston.

Good to know that west Nebraska has something interesting now. I grew up in Kearney and it was a wasteland.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Chainclaw posted:

I laser cut a few things today. The small one is like 3 inches wide. I definitely like how these came out, especially the small one. I'll probably do a bunch more with other game boy games, and maybe try doing a complete Zelda dungeon or Pokemon town.


Welp, looks like I'm firing up Link's Awakening today. These look great.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Random Stranger posted:

Solid state electronics have pretty long life spans. We're talking human life spans without any special care. The big concern is electrolytic capacitors where bad ones were all over the place and even good ones decay. The other major potential problem is corrosion of the contacts and traces, particularly the edge connectors and the switches. That said, your cartridge based consoles will likely last as long as you do with certain exceptions.

Bad capacitors can also be replaced with minimal effort, too. Even CD drives in later machines can be replaced with a little know-how. The bigger concern for me is disc rot or cartridges getting plain destroyed.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is there a way to replace capacitors?

And yeah, the guy at the Expo told me that a lot of Xboxes were dying because they were "getting up there" in age.

It's crazy to me that the time span between the Xbox's release and today is more than the time span between the Xbox's release and Dig Dug. They really are "retro" consoles.

The OG Xbox has a clock capacitor on it that will self-destruct after so many years because it was always faulty. https://www.resetera.com/threads/psa-to-original-xbox-owners-did-you-remove-the-faulty-clock-capacitor-yet-if-not-do-it-asap.41190/

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Rirse posted:

On that note, what are the rpgs on the Genesis besides Phantasy Star? Like I never heard of Warrior of the Eternal Sun, but all I know besides that is Warsong which is the first Langriser strategy rpg entry.

Shining Force/Wisdom and Landstalker are the big ones IMO. Lunar is also fantastic if we're counting CD titles. Never played Sword of Vermillion but I've heard good things.

Overall there are decent RPGs on the Genesis but it's not what the console excels at, unlike the SNES. It's an inverse situation with action games, though. The SNES's action and platformer standouts are all-time classics, like Contra III and Castlevania IV, but for every action masterpiece on the SNES there are 4 more on the Genesis.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Alucardd posted:

There is a guy on the romhacking forums that has been reverting the numbers on all of the working designs games and released patches for them: http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=23436.0

This is fantastic, especially for the Lunar 1 and 2 Sega CD releases. Might have to do this asap.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

After 20 years of holding out due to marginal usefulness, I finally acquired a Nintendo 64 memory card today. What is the best application for this 256kb beast?

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

I am actually a bit surprised at how good the N64 controller feels when holding it like a traditional gamepad, for games where you're not using the analog stick.

Problem with the design is that you're either using the dpad or the stick, but never are both available to you -- likely because they never considered a future where you might want each. Even with the Gamecube they were still not quite there.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Toshinden is such a bad game that its inclusion alone is souring me on the idea of picking one of these up. No idea why they didn't go with Bushido Blade or Soul Blade if they wanted a classic weapon combat game.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

The Xbox One also retains a similar motherboard design philosophy to the 360, augmenting the GPU and system RAM with a hefty ultra-fast EDRAM/ESRAM cache.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Rirse posted:

PS1 Classic must be selling that much. I went to Meijer for unrelated reasons and they had about eight of them in the display case.

I am tempted to pick one up as an eventual hacking project, but I also already have about a half dozen ways to play PS1 games.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

END ME SCOOB posted:

I'll back you on this. Shantae is not a series of well-made games.

The Pirate's Curse is fantastic. The other entries are average IMO, but none of them have struck me as particularly bad or anything.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Safari Disco Lion posted:

So Retro-Bit is releasing some officially licensed (!) new Sega Genesis and Sega Saturn controllers, with versions for both the original consoles and USB. Apparently with Sega's help they have all the old specifications, use the exact same parts and plastics, etc. etc. The people who got a few early are saying they're basically perfect.

http://retro-bit.com/sega-collaboration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLvb4kolwQ

I know they announced they would make Bluetooth versions for both and I would do just about anything for a Bluetooth Saturn controller, but I can't tell from this listing if these are them? Are they coming later?

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Xenomrph posted:

Can the early-model PS3 play Japanese PS1/PS2 Games? I know nothing about region locking on Sony consoles.

All PS3s can play PS1 games, and they are all region-locked iirc. Only with PS3 software did Sony go region-free.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Zarikov posted:


If this doesn't work, I might just suck it up and buy a fat PS2 and a network adapter+HD at this point... Oh well!

Given the reliability of those poor PS2 drives this is a vastly smarter approach and well worth it IMO. It can be done for about $50-60 if you're thrifty and opens up a lot more options than using DVD+Rs. I did this last fall and immediately dumped my whole PS2 library onto it for longevity reasons, plus the enormous personal need to play the Dragon Quest V remake.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Stan Taylor posted:

The coolest thing about the SNES mini imo is getting two brand new, Nintendo made SNES controllers. So much better than using some Bluetooth trash.

8bitdo's stuff is pretty loving nice, fwiw. Love my SN30 and I'm really tempted to grab the 6 button M30. Both work with the Switch too.

Speaking of the Switch, a lot of this Raspberry Pi talk makes so little sense to me when just running RetroArch on a semi-decent laptop will get you just about anything retro you could possibly want, with some portability *and* HDMI out to a TV. My laptop is basically a Switch that emulates everything up to around PS2/DC effortlessly, with bonus access to my Steam account. If you're not going to use original hardware all of these other emulation box solutions just feel like novelties to me.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Random Stranger posted:

You shouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt, but this may have been a practical issue. 24 frames per second shooting of a CRT results in some visual artifacts and the visuals on the screen might have been composited in after some problems.

Still, it's more likely that they just got an LCD.

I'm leaning towards they just didn't make the effort, because filmmakers have had solutions to successfully filming CRTs for at least 30 years.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

fishmech posted:

Ok but for real, are you sure you actually need an upscaler? Try hooking the old consoles up directly again and messing about with the TV's settings, and especially newer old consoles will be OK. Even if your TV's like many today without visible composite/s-video/component connections, it will probably have a socket where a cheap adapter that originally came with it can plug in to use those, and if yours has gone missing they're typically not expensive at all online.
One thing to be aware of is that a lot of newer TV's will just plain reject a 240p/480i signal, too. If there's no analogue inputs *at all* this could be a real possibility for his TV and he would need something to transcode the analogue signal to digital anyway.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

rdbbb posted:

I've had what you would call "great" upscaling experiences with PS2, but I never felt *happy with it* unless it was on a CRT or emulated. It's something about that whole gen, really.

I think the fact that most of the games that gen were 480i might be the culprit. No matter what you do you're gonna have to deinterlace them to upscale and that's going to introduce artifacts. 480i really shines on a good CRT though, IMO, and sometimes makes for an even more pleasant image than what you might see in those HD remasters of PS2 games.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

A 37 inch TV probably needs a crew of 4 people to move, man. Don't hurt yourself. When I found a 27" inch Trinitron it drat near killed my friend and I getting it up to the second floor of my apartment building.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Ofecks posted:


SF3 (well specifically 3rd Strike) was a Big loving Deal in the hardcore/arcade communities I was a part of at the time. Those guys thought it was the bees' knees. I bought it when Capcom was clearing their DC stock for $10 per game, but it was a bit too much for me and didn't have an interested player 2, so I didn't really get into it.

Two more games I forgot to mention in my list: GGX and Rush 2049.

Third Strike is amazing but there's also a lot to love about Second Impact, also on DC. Some even argue it's the better of the two, and I would probably give it priority on the Dreamcast as the DC version of Third Strike is probably the weakest home port.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Basically if you want to use the M30 with an actual console or Mega SG, get the 2.4ghz model, but if you want to use it with your Switch/Smartphone/PC get the Bluetooth one.

I've got another 8bitdo Bluetooth controller and the input latency really isn't a problem at all, and from what I understand the M30 is about the same.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

McCracAttack posted:

Wii's can play some video files from an SD card. PS3s can play video files off of thumb drives and be connected via composite/s-video/component as well.

Edit: Pretty sure an Xbox 360 can do this stuff too.

Like fishmech said the Xbox 360 over analog cables is probably the smart way to do this, and I would add that's because it has the best file codec compatibility. I would use my PS3 to play stuff off a thumbdrive here and there but it was always a crapshoot if I could get them to work.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

ProjektorBoy posted:

I'm not sure Game Sack can really be Game Sack without Dave and Joe. Those guys played incredibly well off each other and egged each other's goofy sense of humor onward.

Joe's definitely the bigger nerd of the two, and maybe he can carry it himself for a while by collaborating with other retro gaming youtubers.

I'm also kind of done with Game Sack after the anti-trans stuff too but if I'm being honest, Joe already carried the show. Dave's opinions and insight on the stuff they discuss always felt extremely shallow; Joe actually seems to know what he's talking about.

Curious to see what comes of this but I kind of feel like Game Sack's time has passed and Joe could move on to bigger things.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

I can't believe they have the audacity to lock a dozen ROMs behind a $250 hunk of plastic. Especially since it's a pretty solid selection.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

FF4 PSP is gorgeous but they re-tuned the difficulty to be easy as hell. The DS/Steam version is the definitive version for that reason IMO. I didn't like the simple 3D graphics much when it first came out but I've warmed up to them a bunch since.

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Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

Annath posted:

What is this?

Draws the pixels as perfect squares instead of the slightly rectangular pixels of a native SNES output for an exact 4:3 image, which looks really sharp and clean on the n3DS screen.

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