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akadajet posted:i wonder how apple feels about the unity drama right now since they went with them as their vr game engine partner. probably a combination of "this is between game devs and unity, we're just a distributor" and "when you say 'charge the distributor' you'd better not mean us" with a little dash of "vr game engine partnerships can be spun up and down pretty fast if it comes to that"
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there's also "vr games are a tiny niche that we could throw away without even blinking as we are buried by piles of money from our 30% cut of merge mansion premium gem packs"
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what "unity drama" we talking here
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Beeftweeter posted:what "unity drama" we talking here They said they're going to start charging devs a fee every time someone installs a game. Devs are furious.
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unity is going to start charging a "per installation" fee for any games made with the engine. they've also been really wishy washy about who pays (developer or distributor?) and how they're tracking installs
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Sep 16, 2023 20:22
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wtf? how would they even determine that? what if someone uninstalled and reinstalled it? that's real stupid
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maybe they should just move to a microtransactions model where they charge on asset/texture/model loads while in game in fractions of a cent ...on the blockchain!
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not that i'm trying to make this work or w/e, but if you wanted to make something work, maybe offer higher resolution stuff or framerate for a [higher] price? like 1080 is free but if you want 4k60 or w/e its a few bucks. idfk
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even aside from what they’re actually doing, it’s a big problem that they’re forcing this on everyone who has ever used unity with no opt-out or renegotiation. if you released a unity game five years ago and its long tail is almost entirely burned out, and suddenly it gets rediscovered and gets a burst of new users, you now owe unity money when asked how they would track installs and reinstalls, considering that on many platforms that may not even be possible, their answer was “we’ll buy user activity from data brokers and use that to estimate, then send you a bill for it, just trust us” there are also reports that they’re offering to waive the fees if you replace competing ad libraries with their in-house one, which, lmao
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Sagebrush posted:i have a titanium spork that i keep in my bag so i don't have to get plastic utensils when i buy lunch. my set has a knife, fork, spoon, and chopsticks. the extra weight is worth it.
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Beeftweeter posted:wtf? how would they even determine that? what if someone uninstalled and reinstalled it? they said that would count for 2 installs, and therefore 2 charges. then they said it would only count as one install but would count as 2 if it was installed on a new device. then they said games installed as part of a subscription service like xbox game pass, or apple arcade would have install fees charged to the distributor. so microsoft or apple. good luck with that.
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Sep 16, 2023 21:33
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well if they don't backtrack i have a feeling a lot less people are going to be using unity
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Beeftweeter posted:well if they don't backtrack i have a feeling a lot less people are going to be using unity they have employees quitting over it
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problem for apple is if they have a lot of 3rd party projects on unity that now won’t ship for the vision pro launch. most existing vr software is on unity.
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oh sounds like they should use unreal engine ...hang on, i've got something coming into my earpiece here
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unreal engine is just a flat percent of revenue and not some random poo poo that nobody did the math on:
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lol "unity takes more than 100% of your revenue"? great system there also that was also a reference to epic suing apple 
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haveblue posted:even aside from what they’re actually doing, it’s a big problem that they’re forcing this on everyone who has ever used unity with no opt-out or renegotiation. if you released a unity game five years ago and its long tail is almost entirely burned out, and suddenly it gets rediscovered and gets a burst of new users, you now owe unity money also to be fair (to someone who doesn't deserve the benefit, but still), no you wouldn't. not unless you signed a new contract with them allowing for it for using their engine, anyway, and why the gently caress would anyone do that? they can't just change the terms and say "pay us for this thing you never agreed to", that would get laughed out of court pretty much anywhere
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Beeftweeter posted:also to be fair (to someone who doesn't deserve the benefit, but still), no you wouldn't. not unless you signed a new contract with them allowing for it for using their engine, they can't just change the terms and say "pay us for this thing you never agreed to", that would get laughed out of court pretty much anywhere well. they are literally saying that thing at the moment and are acting as though they want to be laughed out of court
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Beeftweeter posted:lol "unity takes more than 100% of your revenue"? great system there Battle of the Tims
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Beeftweeter posted:also to be fair (to someone who doesn't deserve the benefit, but still), no you wouldn't. not unless you signed a new contract with them allowing for it for using their engine, anyway, and why the gently caress would anyone do that? you'd think that, but unity has had a lot of TOS changes over the years and some of the wording may have granted them the right to change your pay structure at will, including new recurring fees it is unclear enough and there is enough money and big players involved that it's more likely to end up in court than not if unity doesn't back all the way down
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hobbesmaster posted:well. they are literally saying that thing at the moment and are acting as though they want to be laughed out of court perhaps, but them sending you a bill would have exactly as much legitimacy as one of those spam invoice emails
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haveblue posted:you'd think that, but unity has had a lot of TOS changes over the years and some of the wording may have granted them the right to change your pay structure at will, including new recurring fees i don't feel like looking up precedents or anything but i'm comfortable saying that's probably not legal
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just because you write something into a contract doesn't make it legal/enforceable. they aren't magic spells. it's always really funny that people forget this. same goes with laws, see also gold fringe on flags etc
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Achmed Jones posted:just because you write something into a contract doesn't make it legal/enforceable. they aren't magic spells. it's always really funny that people forget this. same goes with laws, see also gold fringe on flags etc can't tell if you're serious here because of that last bit but the first part is absolutely true, doubly so if you don't follow the rules around modification
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...i know, beef. if writing something down automatically made it enforceable, that would mean that contracts were like magic spells. and they are not. the people who think that there is no oversight to contracts are of a species with people who think that finding some nonsense about admiralty jurisdiction will magically make them not have to pay taxes
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unity can go eat a bag of dog poops
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Beeftweeter posted:unity can go eat a bag of dog poops unity the software is good. shame about the management
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wonder what usbc accessories will now work out of the box with iphones like can i plug my usbc headphone amp in there, or the usbc "for android" flir camera, or the controller for my dji mini 2, etc
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Progressive JPEG posted:wonder what usbc accessories will now work out of the box with iphones the reporting so far from companies that have gotten preview devices to test on is there's no licensing or proprietary checks on the port, everything they've plugged into it has just worked. the one thing i have seen is backbone saying their usb-c controllers will need a firmware update before they work properly on a 15 which is probably more to do with apple's controller handling than the port itself. i did enjoy some more podcast whining about the usb-c earpods supporting lossless audio while the airpods don't, like my dude wired headphones have supported lossless audio since the loving 90s this is easy poo poo. njsykora fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Sep 17, 2023 |
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i'm assuming it's the same as ipad. pretty much anything i've plugged into it worked, including a headphone amp/dac and several mirrorless cams e: worth noting a lot of that poo poo worked with the old ipad usb 3 lightning camera connection kit on iphone too Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Sep 17, 2023 |
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yeah but there was some supposedly reliable leaker pushing that apple were going to keep the MFi licensing program going and only certified products would work, which kinda defeats the whole point of switching to a universal standard.
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i mean, see the edit. just because something isn't MFi doesn't mean it won't work, it's just not guaranteed to
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njsykora posted:yeah but there was some supposedly reliable leaker pushing that apple were going to keep the MFi licensing program going and only certified products would work, which kinda defeats the whole point of switching to a universal standard. apple rumors are often horse poo poo
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Last Chance posted:apple rumors are often horse poo poo yeah but they also get a lot right somehow
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Beeftweeter posted:i mean, see the edit. just because something isn't MFi doesn't mean it won't work, it's just not guaranteed to yeah but i don't think the program is continuing at all, more because apple can't rent seek on making usb-c stuff like they could on lightning and limiting what you could use would probably be a pr nightmare.
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it’d be super dumb if their existing usb-c chargers couldn’t charge the new phones quickly
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njsykora posted:yeah but i don't think the program is continuing at all, more because apple can't rent seek on making usb-c stuff like they could on lightning and limiting what you could use would probably be a pr nightmare. i guess i could see them keeping it going by certifying that certain things would absolutely work and if they don't you can get service at an apple store, or something, idk. they'd need to sweeten the deal somehow there or else only just the most credulous rubes would buy that stuff but otoh maybe they've calculated that's not worth the cost. either way i think that's good, gatekeeping peripherals is horseshit
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they might still need some kind of program for stuff the phone’s case has to mate with, like battery enclosures or those split game controllers. then leave it as the wild west for anything that just has a usbc cable sticking out e: why does autocorrect want to capitalize Wild West
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njsykora posted:i kinda want the one they showed during the event that holds the phone sideways like an alarm clock https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HPKW2ZM/A/twelve-south-fort%E9-for-magsafe-charger literally why i got it. tim sent it to me free. thanks, tim the base is nice and heavy the plastic bit is kinda chintzy but it looks nice and standby comes out monday
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