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Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Hi everyone! It is me the annoying black gif posting mod from far away! I want to help people and give back to the community. Specifically, my sub, The Great Race Space. I would like the posters of the BFC to try and help me.



So without further ado...

The Goal
Some sort of rainy day fund by TGRS, for TGRS posters in good standing. A socialist, altruistic endeavor to help vulnerable people during bad times in their lives.

The Why
I have been pretty depressed lately. Not, necessarily going back to the hospital or anything (though I'd be lying if I said I hadn't thought about it) but I wanted to try and leave this world better than when I came into it. I have been on the forums over about a decade. I lurked for a long time before I even had my account, and I also want to leave the forums better as well. It's true that I put too much on myself and care about people to a fault, but I want to help. Maybe it's because I grew up struggling and I couldn't help myself or my family.. I don't know.

The last thread (which was supposed to be by TGRS, for TGRS) turned into.. well let's just say not good. I am aware there is a FYAD mock thread, and that's fine. I am not trying to force anyone to participate.

What Needs To Be Answered:

What kind of "program" is his? it is a charity?
It is not a charity. It should me more like a mutual society, a benefit society, or a bigger Take A Penny, type of deal. I'm not looking for thousands (or even 1k) of dollars. Just a couple hundred that can sit and be ready when someone really needs it. We helped one of our users (Fluffdaddy, who is cool and good.) get their car fixed and move out of a hotel. Which loving delights me, and if thats our only success, I'll take it. At least we made a difference to someone.

Who should "hold on" the money?
I was nominated but certain folks outside our sub were very uncomfortable with that. A group of members seems like a good idea, as long as they are TGRS posters in good standing.

Keeping this TGRS-centric
By the nature of our sub, our posters are statistically at risk to be struck by poverty or income instability, which is why I want to keep this TGRS-centric. There are also outside forces who want to see this fail, I get it. It's the internet and people are dicks. But I need to try and solutions to make sure that this stays for and by TGRS. If you have any ideas, comments or potential solutions please let me know! I think that the biggest threat to this project are concern trolls and racists/sexists/homo/transphobes coming out of the woodwork again in an attempt to rip it all apart. If you have any suggestions about that, I'd appreciate it. For now, I think the best that can be done is just to confront anyone you see engaging in this behavior.

Ok, but who is Koalas March and why should she be trusted?
Hi, that's me! I am a black woman from Detroit, and I live with my mother (who is mentally ill) and my grandmother (who is recovering from breast cancer). I am a screenwriter and filmmaker and I worked for a marketing company making commercials on literal zero dollar budgets. Right now I'm working on my own projects. I usually hang out in D&D. I started the Misogynoir thread, from there after some talking with Lowtax, I was made a mod. I talk a lot about racial injustice, inequality and white supremacy. As you can imagine, I have stepped on a lot of toes.
I have a really bad anxiety disorder, manic depression and a chronic pain disorder, trigeminal neuralgia. My medicine costs over $400 a which I could never afford in my wildest dreams, but luckily I have insurance because of the ACA. I was bullied a lot as a kid and as a result, I had severe panic attacks (to the point of vomiting) every morning before school. I have come a long way with the help of therapy (again, thanks Obama!) and my medicine but I still have a lot of anxiety and depression. I have an EBT card so that I can eat. Luckily my grandmother lets me live with her, in exchange for caring for my mom and taking care of the house. My non-work related expenses are my phone, cigarettes and my cats. I am luckily enough to have a great group of friends who take me out to eat, to the movies, trade Magic cards with etc. What I am trying to say, is that I know the struggle. If you really want to know more about about me, I encourage you to read my post histories in the Misogynoir and Old Negrotown threads. (New thread is here!)

My personal experiences are my single biggest motivation to help others. I don't want anyone to feel or experience the depression, anxiety, hurt and shame that comes with needing financial help. Some turn to money lenders, which are predatory and poorly regulated. People shouldn't have to go into more debt because they want to loving live their lives.


What I need to know:
Is setting something up like this even feasible?
What would be the best way to go about making this fund a reality? Mutual/Benefit society?
Tax implications?
Who should look after the money?
Is this even possible or should I just have a thread where people can post their paypals and others can pick and choose what they donate to?
How do we keep outside agitaters to a minimum? (For example some people tried to report me to paypal for fraud, they tried to shame FD for asking for help)

And I'm sure there are things I am forgetting, but I am looking for nothing for feedback, so please ask me anything. Tell me your comments and concerns and I'll do my best to answer them. If you have ideas, pitch them to me! If you think I should give the gently caress up, gently caress it, tell me.

:siren: Also, this is supposed to be a semi positive thread, for people who genuinely want to help. Please do not be rude as gently caress or snipe at each other! This is all about helping disadvantaged people out.

Koalas March fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Oct 19, 2017

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Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Yond Cassius posted:

First and most obvious question: "What is TGRS?"

I'm going to guess something like The Goon Rescue Society or something, but come on, spit it out. Who are TGRS posters and what does 'good standing' entail?

e: Oh, I see, "The Great Space Race"?

Haha, yeah I forgot that a lot of people don't travel around the forums a whole bunch.

In good standing: a regular poster who has shared some personal details of their lives, who has also supported other posters and is pretty well known. (ie, Wren, Blackguy32, Fluffdaddy, there witch, etc) Basically as long as you post a lot and aren't a troll.

Koalas March fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Oct 19, 2017

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Krispy Wafer posted:

So kind of like Oprah's Angel Network? But Lowtax's Goon Stew.

Is the idea to raise a rainy day fund and then find worthy causes or find a worthy cause and then raise money?

Just to have a few hundred bucks sitting around that we can give to a TGRS poster when they're in need of it.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Yond Cassius posted:

Overall this does seem like something that would be relatively easy if you had a few hundred thousand dollars (found a credit union, offer zero-interest emergency loans and other minor financial services), annoying but not terrible with a few tens of thousands of dollars (set up a nonprofit or something like a donor-advised fund), barely worthwhile with a few thousand dollars (a very simple trust, maybe), and "way, way more trouble than it's worth" with a few hundred.

My best suggestion would be a locked sticky "main thread" that people can subscribe to. Each "campaign"/help-request gets its own thread, with a little mod introduction and the poster's request for help, and the OP there gets copied into the sticky with a link). After the campaign is over, the version in the sticky can be changed into a report on how it went, and a feel-good after-action report if everything works out as planned. That way, the main tracking thread doesn't get cluttered up with pledges and stuff, but people can still see what happened in each case if they want details.

It might be worth seeing if you can turn on the old E/N-style "no edits" rule for those threads.

Yeah I think something like this is probably our best option. Thank you!

I'm still taking suggestions but that's probably the way to go from here.

Also big thanks to everyone who replied so far! I appreciate it.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Ride The Gravitron posted:

This is the best way. No one had to worry about holding or losing funds. The posters can shower directly to KM and she decides which pay pal and stuff to give out

I think that just letting everyone post their own things is the best way. This way, aside from making the thread, I won't have people accusing me of poo poo I didn't do (like in this thread, ha)

Originally I posted the patreon (which was never used and no money was exchanged) and also said people could post their own PayPal/GoFundMe/etc.

Like I posted about taking care of my family and my medical conditions and that we're poor. I explained that I am a contractor and need more equipment and am trying to build a desktop to edit my video projects because my laptop is an old Acer. I used myself as an example and posted my own PayPal because I'm loving poor, (as did another user, who we helped a lot and I love it) and am in a terrible place in my life (including family stuff, abusive ex drama and other stuff I didn't even talk about) and am being accused of trying to grift people despite urging everyone not to feel pressured and those folks donated out of their free will. I told everyone who donated how much I appreciated it and I told them where their money was spent. (Extra batteries, SD cards, etc)

And I guess that's the last I'm saying about this.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



wateroverfire posted:

Pretty much this. For the amount of money and activity you're probably going to handle there is no way to legally organize it that's going to be cost or time effective. If you pool everything in someone's account and disburse from there in an informal way, whoever controls the account risks tax problems, possible loss of benefits if they're audited and the agency involved decides the money coming through that account is income, and eventually, that person is going to take the heat when fraud occurs or there are disagreements over how to use the money or they take too much for themselves, or etc. It's better for everyoen involved, probably, if people ask individually when they need a hand.

Yeah this is what we'll be doing. Like I said, it's probably the best way. Posters can pick who to donate to, I don't have to be involved outside of making/policing the thread and hopefully won't have to deal with the stress of being accused of misconduct since I can be hands off.

It's pretty much decided, I'll leave this thread open a little longer for more feedback, but the decision has basically been made.

I'd like to give big thanks to everyone to posted earnestly here. You're good people.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



biracial bear for uncut posted:

No. KM has been 100% up front about what she was doing, and there were three separate people needing help (including KM) that I'm aware of who all got help individually prior to the "this might be easier to keep track of if we could centralize things somehow" idea that drove the original thread and this one.

This is all after some "Hey, did so-and-so get help with their problem? Has anyone heard from them?" posts looking for updates to make sure nobody got lost in the shuffle when some bad luck for some regular posters came up at the same time.

No sinister scamming or bullshit goon drama required.

I think that part of the problem is people aren't familiar with TGRS or me. But that's why I posted my post histories in Negrotown/Misogynoir. I get personal in there all the time, same with the chronic pain thread, I have been open about myself (and overshared, because I am a loving chronic oversharer, so my apologies) and talking about myself and my life for quite some time. People don't trust those they don't know, it makes sense and I get it, which is why I try to share details about myself and everything but it is what it is.

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Koalas March
May 21, 2007



biracial bear for uncut posted:

That actually doesn't look that bad for a charity to pitch in to for people that have a hate-on for any goons asking other goons for money.

EDIT: Other than it being extremely limited in scope and maybe not able to react fast enough for some situations.

That could be a good idea but if it's an emergency it could ultimately be fruitless. Feel free to post it in the new thread

Also since the new thread is launched, I guess I will close this one. Please feel free to post there, all I ask is that you be respectful.

Again, I'd like to thank everyone to posted earnestly and helpfully. Thank you guys, I appreciate the help. ❤✌

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