Team Fortress 2 - A large update the size of a small update

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ArfJason: Sep 5, 2011

Ive faith. Gaben refused to say a single thing about stuff like hl3 until they were sure of what they were making

# ? May 14, 2021 11:26

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 11:14

Ariong: Jun 25, 2012

There's a big difference between "we have plans for an update" and "we're actively working on an update." They've had plans for an update for three years, but god knows if they've made any progress whatsoever during that time.

# ? May 14, 2021 16:12

8 Ball: Nov 27, 2010; My hands are all messed up so you better post, brother.

School assembly TF2 news is uh a little unexpected but I'll take it

# ? May 14, 2021 16:24

Frida Call Me: Sep 28, 2001; Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time

valve employees have zero incentive to work on TF2. they get paid a cut of what their work earns, so the smart money is in CS:GO and DOTA2.

# ? May 16, 2021 10:07

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Frida Call Me posted:

valve employees have zero incentive to work on TF2. they get paid a cut of what their work earns, so the smart money is in CS:GO and DOTA2.

This is such a stupid business decision, way to ensure you never produce anything new

# ? May 16, 2021 11:25

Jewel: May 2, 2009

mfcrocker posted:

This is such a stupid business decision, way to ensure you never produce anything new

i mean, their business at this point is designed to make the most money. new ips and fixing bugs or adding new features, as fun as they are, generally don't make anywhere near as much money as lootboxes and running a store. when faced with "make a shitload of money" or "make some gamers happy" i can definitely see how you end up picking the former in this kind of a world

# ? May 16, 2021 14:46

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Jewel posted:

i mean, their business at this point is designed to make the most money. new ips and fixing bugs or adding new features, as fun as they are, generally don't make anywhere near as much money as lootboxes and running a store. when faced with "make a shitload of money" or "make some gamers happy" i can definitely see how you end up picking the former in this kind of a world

No game rules forever, my son

# ? May 16, 2021 16:50

Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008; by Athanatos
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I mean they've been "planning" the heavy update for years lol

# ? May 16, 2021 19:41

Frida Call Me: Sep 28, 2001; Boy, you gotta carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time

meet your match was 5 years ago lmao

# ? May 16, 2021 20:46

Hihohe: Oct 4, 2008; Fuck you and the sun you live under

How it feels to chew an autobalance
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# ? May 17, 2021 17:52

Girbot: Jan 13, 2009

I should clip the next time I have kritz popped on me and push my future teammates back to spawn with that message on the screen.

# ? May 17, 2021 18:44

Oxygenpoisoning: Feb 21, 2006

So with FaceIt having some success with TF2, an old school clan wars league started up, 12v12 no banned weapons. They just had their finals for the first season.

https://youtu.be/14mM5jfU6xo

# ? May 30, 2021 13:26

Gwyneth Palpate: Jun 7, 2010; Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

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Oxygenpoisoning posted:

So with FaceIt having some success with TF2, an old school clan wars league started up, 12v12 no banned weapons. They just had their finals for the first season.

https://youtu.be/14mM5jfU6xo

Wow, what a roll.

# ? May 30, 2021 14:35

hello internet: Sep 13, 2004

How the gently caress do you play vanilla 12v12 these days? Finding a game in matchmaking that doesn�t have 4 spinbotters on each team is nearly impossible and community servers are 50v50 instant respawn or some other horribly unbalanced bullshit

# ? Jun 9, 2021 16:24

Oxygenpoisoning: Feb 21, 2006

hello internet posted:

How the gently caress do you play vanilla 12v12 these days? Finding a game in matchmaking that doesn�t have 4 spinbotters on each team is nearly impossible and community servers are 50v50 instant respawn or some other horribly unbalanced bullshit

There are some nearly vanilla community servers and faceit. Uncletopia, creators.tf, and casual.tf are pretty good but have not random spread, damage, or crits. The other option is FaceIt, which is no random damage, spread, or crits as well, but it�s one map at a time then you get bumped out of the system. It�s more serious so screwing around isn�t really an option compared to other servers.

100% vanilla is going to be hard to find.

# ? Jun 9, 2021 16:36

Gwyneth Palpate: Jun 7, 2010; Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

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hello internet posted:

How the gently caress do you play vanilla 12v12 these days? Finding a game in matchmaking that doesn�t have 4 spinbotters on each team is nearly impossible and community servers are 50v50 instant respawn or some other horribly unbalanced bullshit

I paper over the problem with TF2 Bot Detector. It's an application that works over rcon and keeps a list of known bots, as well as any you mark manually. When it detects one, it automatically initiates a kick vote if they're on your team, or it spams chat if it's on the other team. It has some simple rules for detecting some bots (like illegal characters in names or use of newlines in chat), and probably its most useful feature is detecting if their TF2 name is different than their steam name (which almost always indicates that the player is a bot.)

It also displays the kills/deaths of every player on the server, and has markings for racist or suspicious players. It's pretty rad and basically the only reason I can still play casual.

# ? Jun 9, 2021 16:42

Heran Bago: Aug 18, 2006

hello internet posted:

How the gently caress do you play vanilla 12v12 these days? Finding a game in matchmaking that doesn’t have 4 spinbotters on each team is nearly impossible and community servers are 50v50 instant respawn or some other horribly unbalanced bullshit

What you are describing is vanilla 12v12.

As the poster above me said, there are a lot of options outside the game. I play on faceit on weekends and it's great. You do get the occasional vocal try-hard, but I've seen people running demoknight and joke classes too. Yet to see friendlies or bots, but have had organic high-fives with the enemy.

# ? Jun 9, 2021 16:49

nielsm: Jun 1, 2009

quote:

An update to Team Fortress 2 has been released. The update will be applied automatically when you restart Team Fortress 2. The major changes include:

Added the Summer 2021 Cosmetic Case

Contains 18 new community-contributed items

Adds 6 new community-created Unusual effects

Numerous security and stability improvements

Added a cooldown before a player can create a vote when they join a match already in-progress

sv_vote_late_join_time controls the grace period after the match starts before the cooldown is applied: default 90 secs

sv_vote_late_join_cooldown controls the length of the cooldown: default 5 min

Kick votes will end early and automatically pass if the vote target leaves the match during the vote

Added a ConVar to control players changing their name during a match

tf_allow_player_name_change: default is 1

Matchmaking servers will set this to 0

Updated the player list in the vote-kick dialog to show the time each player has been connected to the server

Removed the disconnect reason from the message when players leave the server

Updated the Mann vs. Machine "inspect" command to only work for players in your party or in your Friends list

Moved materials for the community particle effects into the Effects/workshop sub-folder to distinguish them from Valve materials

Updated/Added some tournament medals

Updated the localization files

Updated cp_snakewater_final1

Fixed clipping throughout map

Fixed explosion splash being caught by objects throughout map

Made movement smoother throughout map

Reworked some problematic areas like the kitchen

Minor visual enhancements throughout the map

Updated cp_process

Fixed incorrect skin for the Red radio tower

Some of this actually makes sense (but why wasn't it added years ago).
Preventing name changes during games, showing how long a player has been connected in the votekick list, canceling votekicks if the target leaves.

# ? Jun 22, 2021 18:22

Gwyneth Palpate: Jun 7, 2010; Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

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I wonder if they fixed being able to put newlines in a chat message, and putting zero-width characters or homoglyphs in your name (so you can impersonate another user.)

# ? Jun 22, 2021 18:32

Zamujasa: Oct 27, 2010; Bread Liar

That seems like it would be handled by this:

quote:

Added a ConVar to control players changing their name during a match
tf_allow_player_name_change: default is 1
Matchmaking servers will set this to 0

Matchmaking servers won't let you change your player name when you connect.

# ? Jun 22, 2021 20:10

Gwyneth Palpate: Jun 7, 2010; Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

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Played a few rounds of casual. Bot free! Of course, we'll see if that holds up over time. It could just be that the bot havers need to adjust their scripts.

# ? Jun 22, 2021 20:38

ninjewtsu: Oct 9, 2012

Supposedly this update make the main bot management application crash, so the game is currently bot free

# ? Jun 22, 2021 23:13

Vaah: Dec 25, 2008

Bots are already back

# ? Jun 23, 2021 15:47

the holy poopacy: May 16, 2009; hey! check this out; Fun Shoe

Yeah, I hopped on for half an hour or so last night and had a bot pop up. It immediately got smacked down, so hopefully the changes to the vote system help.

# ? Jun 23, 2021 15:54

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You can fix TF2 Bot Detector with the instructions on this issue.

# ? Jun 23, 2021 15:59

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

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Kick votes will end early and automatically pass if the vote target leaves the match during the vote

i swear this is like the third time that this exact thing has been in the patch notes. maybe it actually works reliably this time.

tho even before this patch i'd seen a few players that would play out half the match reasonably normally before suddenly starting to micspam and aimbot and call kick votes. not sure if that was a bot maker trying something new or just kids getting pranked by the free version of cheats.

# ? Jun 23, 2021 16:08

the holy poopacy: May 16, 2009; hey! check this out; Fun Shoe

Jabor posted:

i swear this is like the third time that this exact thing has been in the patch notes. maybe it actually works reliably this time.

tho even before this patch i'd seen a few players that would play out half the match reasonably normally before suddenly starting to micspam and aimbot and call kick votes. not sure if that was a bot maker trying something new or just kids getting pranked by the free version of cheats.

I haven't really played in 6 months but back when I was playing I would mostly see this on the losing team, so I figured it was people turning on/turning up the cheats because they couldn't stand losing.

# ? Jun 23, 2021 16:11

Gwyneth Palpate: Jun 7, 2010; Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

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Jabor posted:

i swear this is like the third time that this exact thing has been in the patch notes. maybe it actually works reliably this time.

It appears to work -- a few bots in a match I was in got kicked rather than leaving.

Granted, I don't know what GOOD that does. Is there some sort of temp ban from TF2 for getting kicked too much?

# ? Jun 23, 2021 16:23

the holy poopacy: May 16, 2009; hey! check this out; Fun Shoe

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

It appears to work -- a few bots in a match I was in got kicked rather than leaving.

Granted, I don't know what GOOD that does. Is there some sort of temp ban from TF2 for getting kicked too much?

There is, yes

# ? Jun 23, 2021 16:38

Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008; by Athanatos
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Jabor posted:

i swear this is like the third time that this exact thing has been in the patch notes. maybe it actually works reliably this time.

tho even before this patch i'd seen a few players that would play out half the match reasonably normally before suddenly starting to micspam and aimbot and call kick votes. not sure if that was a bot maker trying something new or just kids getting pranked by the free version of cheats.

idk it could be people loving around. I know everytime I get a headshot I hit my old "GET GOOD GET LMAOBOX" bind. When i get on a roll it's just a countdown before I get kicked

# ? Jun 23, 2021 16:41

Gwyneth Palpate: Jun 7, 2010; Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

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Gwyneth Palpate posted:

It appears to work -- a few bots in a match I was in got kicked rather than leaving.

Trip report: the braaaaap bots can still leave while a vote is going on.

# ? Jun 23, 2021 19:00

Otacon: Aug 13, 2002

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

Trip report: the braaaaap bots can still leave while a vote is going on.

incredible

# ? Jun 23, 2021 19:05

ninjewtsu: Oct 9, 2012

Peanut President posted:

idk it could be people loving around. I know everytime I get a headshot I hit my old "GET GOOD GET LMAOBOX" bind. When i get on a roll it's just a countdown before I get kicked

drat those are some words that send me back

# ? Jun 23, 2021 19:51