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Prav
Oct 29, 2011



what parts of south america isn't owned by us capital as it is

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sniff I am already eating from the trash can all the time sniff



Graphic posted:

But that's giving money to South America instead of back to our own defense industry. American imperialism exists solely for that purpose. Pacifying most of the world with money is possible but that's like curing disease to a private health industry.

That's not "pacifying" the world, it's buying up all of their capital.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014





Yinlock posted:

still not sure why only china has stumbled on the novel strategy of "everyone is corrupt and loves selling everything, so why don't we just buy entire countries"

western corporations already own entire countries though

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012


The reason the western business owners get all pissed off about China spending money on stuff is they're all too busy pouring all their money into stock buybacks to actually invest anywhere and it upsets them

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018


Larry Parrish posted:

The reason the western business owners get all pissed off about China spending money on stuff is they're all too busy pouring all their money into stock buybacks to actually invest anywhere and it upsets them

China is actually in a unique position that allows them to snap up assets like this on very advantageous terms, because it's the only great power with a sovereign wealth fund like this. As much hold as they have over their governments, Western financial institutions don't have the same kind of muscle to, say, foreclose on an entire foreign port.

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

Another great news for China. The unnamed country can only salivate. It is so jealous. Historically it is China's turn.




yeah what they said

Typo
Aug 19, 2009







this is dumb as gently caress analysis, first of all, socialism cannot be imperialistic by definition. Socialism is liberation, imperialism is exploitation. China is socialist and liberation cannot be exploitation. Those "articles" are betray the bourgeois worldview of the authors who think only in terms of "ownership" by one capitalist exploiter or another in a zero sum game.

In reality the Communist Party of China advances the global goal of socialist internationalism, thus the port will be held in common and "owned" by both the working classes of China and Kenya. China's infusion of aid into Kenya is merely to help repair the country after centuries of colonialist surprise sex and capitalist exploitation by neoliberal austerity programs of the IMF. Even if China were to build educational camps in Kenya (which they aren't), it would not equal even one-tenth of the damage neoliberal austerity IMF programs would inflict on Kenyan working class. The benefit to both countries will to improve trade, promote global peace, promote international proletariat solidarity, and advance the productive forces of both China and Kenya.

Typo fucked around with this message at Dec 22, 2018 around 20:30

Typo
Aug 19, 2009






Prav posted:

what parts of south america isn't owned by us capital as it is

Comrade maduros heroically holding onto Venezeula and forging a "pink" alliance despite US backed coups against him.

On the long run, the only hope for liberation of Latin America from IMF austerity programs imposed by capitalists is the unification and solidarity between the Chinese and Venezuelan working classes. Chinese Socialism is the only force strong enough to fight off American capitalism.

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

Another great news for China. The unnamed country can only salivate. It is so jealous. Historically it is China's turn.




yawn

Modest Mao
Feb 11, 2011

Another great news for China. The unnamed country can only salivate. It is so jealous. Historically it is China's turn.




I'm excited for China to start lending money to UK after no deal. Will be cool to see the british isles part of a global empire again, even if this time as a colony

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016
Probation
Can't post for 33 hours!


Typo posted:

Comrade maduros heroically holding onto Venezeula and forging a "pink" alliance despite US backed coups against him.

On the long run, the only hope for liberation of Latin America from IMF austerity programs imposed by capitalists

Careful there fellow traveler, IMF-backed austerity programs are key to Comrade Ortega's fight against American imperialism.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007


I hope this thread never closes

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018


I, personally, cannot wait for China to Napoleon III some country in Africa that makes the error of defaulting on its debt.

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

That's not "pacifying" the world, it's buying up all of their capital.

What can you do within the current world order if you have no capital?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



Modest Mao posted:

I'm excited for China to start lending money to UK after no deal. Will be cool to see the british isles part of a global empire again, even if this time as a colony

lol the people who will be in charge have agreed an insanely brutal destruction of the NHS and workers rights free trade agreement through the Cato Institute ready to go in the event of no deal

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007


colonialism is v bad, unless of course china is doing in, in which of course I can't wait to see it!

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.


how could those dastardly Chinese do this to Africa

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004


We're going to end up fighting a proxy war with China by funding rebels against Chinese imperialism and it will rule.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sniff I am already eating from the trash can all the time sniff



Graphic posted:

What can you do within the current world order if you have no capital?

You work for the foreign bourgeois that owns your capital.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You work for the foreign bourgeois that owns your capital.

i'm unemployed. owned capitalists

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sniff I am already eating from the trash can all the time sniff



Jose posted:

i'm unemployed. owned capitalists

Take joy in President Xi's China-Britain Friendship Revitalization Program, comrade.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010


Norton the First posted:

I, personally, cannot wait for China to Napoleon III some country in Africa that makes the error of defaulting on its debt.

Reverse unequal treaties in exchange for food shipments.

Liverpool leased to Ali Baba for 100 years.

Marxist-Jezzinist
Dec 30, 2010

There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women, and there are families.


Mantis42 posted:

Reverse unequal treaties in exchange for food shipments.

Liverpool leased to Ali Baba for 100 years.

Alibaba taking a serious hit on that deal

tino
Jun 4, 2018

blad blad blad

Nah China will exchange default projects for operation ownership of ports for civilian/military dual use and never call them military bases.

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

You work for the foreign bourgeois that owns your capital.

Yeah, making someone your bitch pacifies them pretty well. Just trying to understand your objection to what I said.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sniff I am already eating from the trash can all the time sniff



Graphic posted:

Yeah, making someone your bitch pacifies them pretty well. Just trying to understand your objection to what I said.

Having national resources and capital owned by a foreign bourgeois creates more resentment and stokes nationalist populism, than if you were working through the comprador national bourgeois to keep prices low.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

POTTY TIME


Lipstick Apathy

The Great Autismo! posted:

I hope this thread never closes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvx2GgKyIy0

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

POTTY TIME


Lipstick Apathy

The line "I want to give you money" in that song was clearly about the wave of foreign investment that was just beginning to help build the new China

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



https://twitter.com/HenryKrinkIe/st...7783648256?s=19

freckle
Apr 6, 2016




Jose posted:

lol the people who will be in charge have agreed an insanely brutal destruction of the NHS and workers rights free trade agreement through the Cato Institute ready to go in the event of no deal

think of all the guns you will be able to buy as an american tho

tino
Jun 4, 2018

blad blad blad

Well hikers build proper alcohol stove with beer cans.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016
Probation
Can't post for 33 hours!


https://twitter.com/relevantorgans/...386645299589120

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



Merry Christmas

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1...2774950914?s=19

tino
Jun 4, 2018

blad blad blad


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump...src=twsrc%5Etfw

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Shoot First



where’s the lie?

GreyjoyBastard
Mar 28, 2010

Says Chu


Lightning Knight posted:

where’s the lie?

free Typo

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Shoot First



I didn't make the thread rules for that thread.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007





https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/...4583314433?s=19

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sniff I am already eating from the trash can all the time sniff




Probably making an educated bet that the United States isn't going to be selling weapons to Pakistan forever.

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Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said

Lightning Knight posted:

where’s the lie?

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