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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Domai is the correct choice you loving talent scum

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Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
the expansion are all #fakefactions

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
I'd agree if it wasn't for domai, the best boy who did nothing wrong, bitch

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Jose posted:

its time for violent revolution and the execution of all billionaires imo

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Typo posted:

the expansion are all #fakefactions

The socialist faction in the expansion was basically just all the Human Hive's bonuses with none of their drawbacks. All the Alien Crossfire factions were broken.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The socialist faction in the expansion was basically just all the Human Hive's bonuses with none of their drawbacks. All the Alien Crossfire factions were broken.

they were also uninteresting and most of them were just blend copies/little variants of the original factions

and lol yeah whoever thought the free drones bonus of -20% cost to everything from the outset was a good idea

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
Domai is basically Yang except he actually gets money, which is even more busted than the extra -10% build cost he already has over Yang.

Nothing beats the pure and undiluted bullshit that is the Consciousness, tho.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Cerebral Bore posted:

Domai is basically Yang except he actually gets money, which is even more busted than the extra -10% build cost he already has over Yang.

Nothing beats the pure and undiluted bullshit that is the Consciousness, tho.

consciousness was basically if you combined Gaians and the University and then took out most of their weaknesses

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



the gently caress are you nerds talkin about? Domai? Is that a sex thing?

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
alpha centauri in general suffers from the Civ 2 model of infinity city sprawl being optimal strategy, or more expansion is pretty much always good

Civ 5 at least had the option of going tall idk about Civ 6 but upon release it was back to ICS strategy

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Typo posted:

alpha centauri in general suffers from the Civ 2 model of infinity city sprawl being optimal strategy, or more expansion is pretty much always good

Civ 5 at least had the option of going tall idk about Civ 6 but upon release it was back to ICS strategy

Infinite Legend had a decent counterbalance to overexpansion.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Jose posted:

its time for violent revolution and the execution of all billionaires imo

no i think more tweets will solve everything

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Typo posted:

consciousness was basically if you combined Gaians and the University and then took out most of their weaknesses

Yeah, it was bad enough taking away the University's big weakness, but then they had to go full bullshit and ensure that they'd be rolling in cash to really get that tech lead going. Let the fuckers get to where they can run Democratic/Free Market/Knowledge and there's literally no stopping it.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Infinite Legend had a decent counterbalance to overexpansion.

I assume you mean endless legend?

It's time to accept Morgawr into your heart

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Yinlock posted:

god forbid i accuse the guy who lets racists run wild in d&d of being racist

yeah it's a fuckin breeding ground in there unlike here where trump av dickheads post with impunity. report posts you don't like or gently caress off forever with this poo poo

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

lol Guyovich, write a book about your socialist experiences living in China and title it something like "The Geely and the Willow Tree"
i'd read it

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Dream of the Red Tsar

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

fast forward ten years later
xi dies of lung disease, china falls apart because he axed the succession mechanism
Succession conflicts do eventually break countries, but it tends to take a while. I think Xi will have an innocuous succession, but the next guy won't, and you'll get the usual backstabbing/civil war bullshit.

Same deal with Russia + Putin I think.

rudatron has issued a correction as of 02:37 on Oct 28, 2017

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Endles Legend is absolute garbage, and the civ 5 + civ 6 counter measures to ics are the most frustrating and boring parts of it. You can basically live off 4 cities in civ 5, and suffer nothing for it, meaning the fight over conflict and territory that is supposed to characterize 4xs is replaced with boring wonder spam

Tiny Bug Child
Sep 11, 2004

Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The socialist faction in the expansion was basically just all the Human Hive's bonuses with none of their drawbacks. All the Alien Crossfire factions were broken.

idk about that. the aliens were broken but they were kind of meant to be. free drones are actually pretty mediocre, they just trade some research for industry. planet cult is terrible. the hackers are useless. pirates are def broken though cause they get to start in the ocean and settle everything before anyone else. and the cyborgs would be broken except they can't pop boom

Typo posted:

alpha centauri in general suffers from the Civ 2 model of infinity city sprawl being optimal strategy, or more expansion is pretty much always good

Civ 5 at least had the option of going tall idk about Civ 6 but upon release it was back to ICS strategy

yeah that's how it should be. somewhere along the line people started talking about "tall vs wide" like they should be two equally valid approaches to playing a 4x except that's stupid, more territory makes you more powerful

i didn't like civ5 cause it punished you so harshly for expanding and conquering when that's like 2 of the 4 X's. every game is build 4 cities and stop

Tiny Bug Child
Sep 11, 2004

Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Infinite Legend had a decent counterbalance to overexpansion.

it was decent but endless space 2 really nailed it imo. the initial expansion limit is generous enough that you don't feel it unless you're deliberately sprawling or conquering, and there are late-game ways to eliminate expansion disapproval so you can eventually grow infinitely

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

rudatron posted:

Endles Legend is absolute garbage, and the civ 5 + civ 6 counter measures to ics are the most frustrating and boring parts of it. You can basically live off 4 cities in civ 5, and suffer nothing for it, meaning the fight over conflict and territory that is supposed to characterize 4xs is replaced with boring wonder spam

Hell yeah to this post. Widesplaining 4X revisionists fuk off

bury me with civ iv and ffh2

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Civ struggles so much trying to create a gameplay-based, "organic" solution to ICS, when they should instead directly forbid building cities less than 2 (or even 3) spaces apart. It's like the Americans trying to build a space pen with Soviet Russia just used a pencil yes I know it's not true

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
The solution is has always been to remove inherent resource bonus of cities (so that a tile the city is on gives nothing), that way you can remove the city location restrictions stuff entirely

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

rudatron posted:

Endles Legend is absolute garbage,

drat what a wrong take

The only thing I wish it would change is the endless winter late game

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The only bad thing about Endless Legend are the elves, who they didn't even bother to make sense within the logic of the setting. Are they native fauna, experimentations of the endless, shipwrecked aliens? Who gives a poo poo, their faction is lame.

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

Top City Homo posted:

who is this and how is that possible?




Unfortunately this will no longer be the case in about five weeks at most.


fake edit - i'd apologize for interrupting 4x chat but i think that's about what bert has to wear these days

C. Everett Koop has issued a correction as of 04:09 on Oct 28, 2017

Grimoire
Jul 9, 2003

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The only bad thing about Endless Legend are the elves, who they didn't even bother to make sense within the logic of the setting. Are they native fauna, experimentations of the endless, shipwrecked aliens? Who gives a poo poo, their faction is lame.

Endless winter? Vaulters love that poo poo. Also, courage, knowledge, and sideways crossbow gun things.

edit: just look at this poo poo

Grimoire has issued a correction as of 04:10 on Oct 28, 2017

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The only bad thing about Endless Legend are the elves, who they didn't even bother to make sense within the logic of the setting. Are they native fauna, experimentations of the endless, shipwrecked aliens? Who gives a poo poo, their faction is lame.

I can't even remember their gimmick

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

i hope you have a good time in china op. it seems like something a lot of people are doing these days, i dont know why people are acting like its some weird thing

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

smac built of civ 4 would be the perfect 4x

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Dreddout posted:

I can't even remember their gimmick

They get production bonuses. As a race they're supposed to have some kind of nature bond, and can transform into wild animals when overcome with a primal lust - but that doesn't factor into how they play as a faction at all except to justify why they have the big tanky Ent units. They're pretty much just a faction for new players, with production bonuses, one of the best ranged units, and a balanced unit roster that's all together very forgiving of new player mistakes.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
How bad is the alpha centauri remake (or the colonization remake at that)?

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Bip Roberts posted:

How bad is the alpha centauri remake (or the colonization remake at that)?

it's p mediocr and missing all of the charm of the original alpha centauri

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Calling it a remake is pretty insulting tbqh.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Tiny Bug Child posted:

idk about that. the aliens were broken but they were kind of meant to be. free drones are actually pretty mediocre, they just trade some research for industry. planet cult is terrible. the hackers are useless. pirates are def broken though cause they get to start in the ocean and settle everything before anyone else. and the cyborgs would be broken except they can't pop boom

Cyborgs can time their popbooms with Golden Ages are also going to get the Cloning Vats long before anybody else even gets close, so I don't see how that's an objection.

Also industry is literally the strongest bonus. Free Drones running Democratic/Planned/Wealth get 40% lower mineral costs as well as actual money. It's broken af.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/923964959972839426

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Bip Roberts posted:

How bad is the alpha centauri remake (or the colonization remake at that)?

the colonization one is pretty decent, BE is boring trash

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

thats actually really funny

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Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

Baloogan posted:

thats actually really funny

i mean he’s not wrong

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