Typo posted:

this is dumb as gently caress analysis, first of all, socialism cannot be imperialistic by definition. Socialism is liberation, imperialism is exploitation. China is socialist and liberation cannot be exploitation. Those "articles" are betray the bourgeois worldview of the authors who think only in terms of "ownership" by one capitalist exploiter or another in a zero sum game.

In reality the Communist Party of China advances the global goal of socialist internationalism, thus the port will be held in common and "owned" by both the working classes of China and Kenya. China's infusion of aid into Kenya is merely to help repair the country after centuries of colonialist rape and capitalist exploitation by neoliberal austerity programs of the IMF. Even if China were to build educational camps in Kenya (which they aren't), it would not equal even one-tenth of the damage neoliberal austerity IMF programs would inflict on Kenyan working class. The benefit to both countries will to improve trade, promote global peace, promote international proletariat solidarity, and advance the productive forces of both China and Kenya.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I mean, I'm unironically curious to see if the lessons China has learned from the British and American Empires lead to a better and/or more efficient global empire.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I mean, I'm unironically curious to see if the lessons China has learned from the British and American Empires lead to a better and/or more efficient global empire.

Eox posted:

if you take any lesson other than "dont" from the british or american empires, you did not learn anything from the british or american empires

Lambert posted:

Will the Chinese call Xi Jinping the "Leader of the Free World" as well, while everyone else rolls their eyes at that?

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But this August, police arrested more than 50 student activists, many of them members of college Marxist groups, for helping organize workers at Jasic Technology, a welding equipment factory in the southeastern Chinese city of Shenzhen. At least two Peking University graduates remain missing. Footage of the police operation was posted to YouTube by Voice of America, a U.S. government-funded news service.

Xelkelvos posted:

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-communist-partys-latest-unlikely-target-young-marxists

Typo posted:

Xi Jiping is the de facto leader of the free democratic world order, the American-led capitalist order is a dictatorship, effectively dictating exploitation to every other country by the bourgeois based in Washington DC and New York. The Chinese vision of international order would be more democratic by giving every nation a greater say in how the world order is governed along with respect for sovereignty, freedom, and rights of exploited countries on the world stage.

quote:

Footage of the police operation was posted to YouTube by Voice of America, a U.S. government-funded news service.

Modest Mao posted:

Tell me more

Typo posted:

imagine if when America wants to invade another country, there needs to be a vote on it which would include oppressed countries of Africa and Asia! Then we never would have had the Iraq War. That is the benefit of a democratic world order over the current dictatorship.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

this but unironically

Typo posted:

theirs hearts are in the right place, their interpretation of Marxist-Leninism isn't

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The Renmin University student from the countryside says he learned this lesson over the summer, when he chose to work at a toy factory hundreds of miles from Beijing to beef up his Marxist credentials. Instead, it was a lesson on the realities of working at a Chinese factory.

"I had to sign a contract giving up my social benefits or else they wouldn't hire me," he remembers. "We worked 16 hours a day with hardly any breaks. When workers were injured, nobody helped them."

When he tried to stand up for his coworkers in a workplace dispute, a manager punched him and then refused to pay his salary, he says. When the young man would not leave until he was paid, the factory owner called Renmin University officials and complained about their student, prompting the university to send a teacher to come and retrieve him.

Now he's on a school blacklist, too. He says university officials assigned his roommate to spy on him.

The university has also cracked down on the Marxist youth group, barring its members from helping migrant workers on campus.

Xelkelvos posted:

gradenko_2000 posted:

In this case Typo is entirely correct in that the government allows protests and agitation along economic lines, as long as the agenda does not turn ideological

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

this but unironically

gradenko_2000 posted:

In this case Typo is entirely correct in that the government allows protests and agitation along economic lines, as long as the agenda does not turn ideological

Fallen Hamprince posted:

union agitation is fine, as long as it stays apolitical and doesn't interfere with china's economic prosperity by striking or other labour actions

Lightning Knight posted:

I’m not sure what level of irony this thread is operating on tbh.

Lightning Knight posted:

I’m not sure what level of irony this thread is operating on tbh.

Typo posted:

Right, it's great that he's standing up for the workers, the problem is when organizing without permission and outside the structure of the party and the All-China Federation of trade unions (中華全國總工會) it goes against the very point of advancing the cause of the working class said student is purportedly standing up for. Young students like him should join the party and work to help the working class through existing party structures.

The Great Autismo! posted:

the best thing about this thread is that you can choose the irony level

it’s kinda close to r/sino or r/aznidentity but you can never tell who is shitposting and who is serious. I am pretty sure everyone is serious posting which is what makes it so unbelievably special and easily the best china thread. It’s far and away the most authentic China thread on the forums. Just enjoy it. It so good

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I'm 100% unironic about Toyama Koichi's 2008 platform for president of the United States

The Great Autismo! posted:

the best thing about this thread is that you can choose the irony level

it’s kinda close to r/sino or r/aznidentity but you can never tell who is shitposting and who is serious. I am pretty sure everyone is serious posting which is what makes it so unbelievably special and easily the best china thread. It’s far and away the most authentic China thread on the forums. Just enjoy it. It so good