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The new Cold War switching from US vs Russia to US vs China moves our timeline closer to the Fallout timeline so I'm okay with this.
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May 20, 2019 05:17
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TrilliontonNixon posted:The new Cold War switching from US vs Russia to US vs China moves our timeline closer to the Fallout timeline so I'm okay with this.
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May 20, 2019 05:19
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1128646085033984001 I often talk to people mystified why Xi's not a firebrand about the trade war and U.S. relations and i point out that China understands that they can outlast multiple presidential admins. And their central planning allows them to shift production in a way that's essentially impossible for the U.S. to do
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May 20, 2019 09:25
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Their economy is still largely dependent on exporting things abroad, of course they're going to be for open trade. Edit: That's really not difficult vvv Kassad has issued a correction as of 12:57 on May 20, 2019 |
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May 20, 2019 10:13
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Also, a great way to look like the sane one next to the Trump administration.
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May 20, 2019 12:52
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Lambert posted:Also, a great way to look like the sane one next to the Trump administration. trump: america is number one, gently caress everyone else hell yeah empire owns xi: actually everyone is equal, we should all be friends *stage explodes into roses and everyone starts screaming in amazement*
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May 20, 2019 13:01
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etalian posted:The best propaganda song you'll ever hear: Pro click, great song.
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May 21, 2019 00:22
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if you are of any Chinese heritage, you are superior to any other poster in this thread, IMO
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May 21, 2019 11:23
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The Great Autismo! posted:if you are of any Chinese heritage, you are superior to any other poster in this thread, IMO I can't argue with this.  Marxist-Jezzinist posted:The war that just broke out, for no reason I love all the takes about the trade war that implies both sides are equally culpable, and not that Trump has been boisterously belligerent every step of the way.
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May 21, 2019 11:30
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Big fan of those about forceful tech transfer from Western companies that just happen to operate in China for no particular reason.
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May 21, 2019 11:43
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idk about anyone else but I'm particularly angered by the recent Huawei development. It's such a naked display of imperialism.
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May 21, 2019 11:53
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I, too, get whipped into a frothing rage by the trials and tribulations of poor, put-upon transnational megacorporation
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May 21, 2019 12:02
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it's one of the biggest worker-owned companies in the world lol
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May 21, 2019 12:36
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R. Guyovich posted:it's one of the biggest worker-owned companies in the world lol When you say "owned", you mean in the sense of they own "virtual shares" in a union committee that owns 90% of the company; shares which they're unable to sell, nor exercise any control over management with.
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May 21, 2019 13:09
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Trammel posted:When you say "owned", you mean in the sense of they own "virtual shares" in a union committee that owns 90% of the company; shares which they're unable to sell, nor exercise any control over management with. the committee is elected by the workers. that paper you're obliquely citing loving sucked and chris balding is a joke. e: oh it's you again. gently caress off
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May 21, 2019 13:15
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Known Lecher posted:I, too, get whipped into a frothing rage by the trials and tribulations of poor, put-upon transnational megacorporation I already said I find it funny when US or European companies whine about tech transfers after making a shitload of money operating in China for the last 3 decades, yes. "They were supposed to let us outsource without trying to cut into our bottom line!  "
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May 21, 2019 13:23
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Trammel posted:shares which they're unable to sell don't you think it would be more worrying if you could sell shares of a worker-owned company that you earned by being a worker in that company
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May 21, 2019 14:58
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My understanding of "workers shares" is that they're basically just class B shares that the company buys back when you quit or get fired. It's basically a market-based severance package, since you can't really utilize those shares to vote on c-levels or company actions.
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May 21, 2019 16:08
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R. Guyovich posted:it's one of the biggest worker-owned companies in the world lol So I take it they must have some fantastic working conditions
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May 21, 2019 16:15
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Grapplejack posted:My understanding of "workers shares" is that they're basically just class B shares that the company buys back when you quit or get fired. It's basically a market-based severance package, since you can't really utilize those shares to vote on c-levels or company actions. right, but the governance structure is one where the leadership is elected by workers or union members. that combined with the shares means "worker-owned" or, if you're a pedant, "worker administered" is plenty accurate.
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May 21, 2019 16:34
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lol that someone spent actual time making this
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May 21, 2019 16:45
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A worker representative democracy 
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May 21, 2019 16:45
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This situation just proves that you don't want to be dependent on US corporations, as that makes you entirely dependent on the whims of the US administration. Probably smart to lock out American companies from achieving quasi-monopoly status in your country.
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May 21, 2019 16:49
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i say swears online posted:lol that someone spent actual time making this considering how quickly google kowtowed to the us government id say keeping them out was a wise move e: woah. mind meld
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May 21, 2019 16:49
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The US is apparently deathly afraid of Huawei having the first 5G on the market, because the Chinese government would use them to spy on us. Surely the American 5G producers benefiting directly from these actions won't have any obligation to spy for the US government.
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May 21, 2019 16:56
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pretty sure that google just proved that it is beholden to US government dictates
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May 21, 2019 18:07
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Did US mandate any similar ban on Iran? Can Iranians use google play store inside Iran? Is there any native made Iranian android phone? I just realized I have no idea what phone the Persians use.
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May 21, 2019 18:15
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After Trump put them on a blacklist, yeah. You're acting like them following US law is insane.
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May 21, 2019 18:18
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US law will adjust according to whatever the current administration's mood is.
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May 21, 2019 18:31
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The sanctions that have been applied have been done so through the IEEPA and the national emergencies act, both of which greatly expand the power of the executive w/r/t foreign economic affairs. I assume we agree that the executive in the US has too much power and things like this should be sent through Congress but its not Google can ignore Trump. We can't, anyway. None of us can. We're all trapped here. E: it's kind of funny tbh since both the NEA and the IEEPA were designed to curb the power of the executive but after a ruling by the courts the legislature needs a joint resolution to cancel an emergency declaration, which can be vetoed by the president so they need a 2/3 majority to actually do so, putting them basically back to square one. Grapplejack has issued a correction as of 18:57 on May 21, 2019 |
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May 21, 2019 18:47
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Grapplejack posted:After Trump put them on a blacklist, yeah. You're acting like them following US law is insane. its owned by an international holding company
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May 21, 2019 19:00
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TrilliontonNixon posted:The new Cold War switching from US vs Russia to US vs China moves our timeline closer to the Fallout timeline so I'm okay with this. Incidentally, looking for jobs in China and I see mostly jobs for western firms like Google, Microsoft, etc. Are there better places than glassdoor for jobs? I'd like to do a live abroad type thing but instead of teaching English, I'd rather use my skills (Machine learning, etc. PhD). Something beyond thousand talents.
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May 21, 2019 23:41
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LimburgLimbo posted:So I take it they must have some fantastic working conditions The joke used to be that when you joined Huawei, management would give you a fold-up bed to sleep on, because you'd been spending so much time at the office. Of course, it was completely untrue, you had to buy your own bed. Actually, Huawei was known for paying top RMB of any company recruiting grads, and if you were lucky enough to be in a successful product team, you could make 3-5, sometimes 10 times your annual salary in your yearly bonus. One guy I knew who was a "devops expert" got a 1 million RMB signing bonus barely 5 years after graduation. The usual routine I saw was 8-9am breakfast at canteen, work, 12-1, lunch at canteen, sleep, work, 5-6pm, dinner at canteen, work, then home. It was very popular with young single men, who wanted to get that home deposit saved up as fast as possible. Management were apparently leary of women of child-bearing age being on their team, and they tended to be weeded out during the interview process. Ex-huawei devs I know told me that if you wanted to be eligible for a promotion or a bonus, you had to sign a contract explicitly disavowing any claim on overtime while working at Huawei. The 996 culture has been ingrained there for years.
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May 22, 2019 00:06
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Kudaros posted:Incidentally, looking for jobs in China and I see mostly jobs for western firms like Google, Microsoft, etc. Are there better places than glassdoor for jobs? I'd like to do a live abroad type thing but instead of teaching English, I'd rather use my skills (Machine learning, etc. PhD). LinkedIn Recruiter costs real money so there is some barrier to entry to reduce the signal/noise ratio although for CN you’d probably have better results on Asian sites like jobstreet...
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May 22, 2019 00:50
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https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1131136433513566210?s=19
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May 22, 2019 11:02
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china has such an information advantage in this form of war
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May 22, 2019 11:12
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May 22, 2019 16:53
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sincx posted:Economic imperialism usually doesn't work as well as the shooting kind of imperialism. I'll have you know the American empire is chugging along just swimmingly
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May 22, 2019 16:55
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R. Guyovich posted:right, but the governance structure is one where the leadership is elected by workers or union members. that combined with the shares means "worker-owned" or, if you're a pedant, "worker administered" is plenty accurate. Correct, hence why many Huawei workers voluntarily choose stakhanovites work ethic and do not even ask for overtime pay. Since obviously the surplus value from labor they put in is fully appropriated by the workers themselves through their ownership in the company.
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May 22, 2019 16:58
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alas, typo, he flew too close to the sun
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May 22, 2019 17:00
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