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Jose
Jul 24, 2007



A Typical Goon posted:

what’s your guys favourite Chinese characteristic of socialism mines probably all the capitalism

mine is all the billionaires and lack of a social safety net

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012

~im gay~



Lipstick Apathy

quote:

A report by the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission (http://www.uscc.gov/pressreleases/2011/11_10_26pr.pdf) found that “The state-owned and controlled portion of the Chinese economy is large. Based on reasonable assumptions, it appears that the visible state sector – SOEs and entities directly controlled by SOEs, accounted for more than 40% of China’s non-agricultural GDP. If the contributions of indirectly controlled entities, urban collectives and public TVEs are considered, the share of GDP owned and controlled by the state is approximately 50%.” The major banks are state-owned and their lending and deposit policies are directed by the government (much to the chagrin of China’s central bank and other pro-capitalist elements). There is no free flow of foreign capital into and out of China. Capital controls are imposed and enforced and the currency’s value is manipulated to set economic targets (much to the annoyance of the US Congress and Western hedge funds).

At the same time, the Communist party/state machine infiltrates all levels of industry and activity in China. According to a report by Joseph Fang and others (http://www.nber.org/papers/w17687), there are party organisations within every corporation that employs more than three communist party members. Each party organisation elects a party secretary. It is the party secretary who is the lynchpin of the alternative management system of each enterprise. This extends party control beyond the SOEs, partly privatised corporations and village or local government-owned enterprises into the private sector or “new economic organisations” as these are called. In 1999, only 3% of these had party cells. Now the figure is nearly 13%. As the paper puts it: “The Chinese Communist Party (CCP), by controlling the career advancement of all senior personnel in all regulatory agencies, all state-owned enterprises (SOEs), and virtually all major financial institutions state-owned enterprises (SOEs) and senior Party positions in all but the smallest non-SOE enterprises, retains sole possession of Lenin’s Commanding Heights.”

The reality is that almost all Chinese companies employing more than 100 people have an internal party cell-based control system. This is no relic of the Maoist era. It is the current structure set up specifically to maintain party control of the economy. As the Fang report says: “The CCP Organization Department manag(es) all senior promotions throughout all major banks, regulators, government ministries and agencies, SOEs, and even many officially designated non-SOE enterprises. The Party promotes people through banks,regulatory agencies, enterprises, governments, and Party organs, handling much of the national economy in one huge human resources management chart. An ambitious young cadre might begin in a government ministry, join middle management in an SOE bank, accept a senior Party position in a listed enterprise, accept promotion into a top regulatory position, accept appointment as a mayor or provincial governor, become CEO of a different SOE bank, and perhaps ultimately rise into upper echelons of the central government or CCP — all by the grace of the CCP OD.”

https://thenextrecession.wordpress....-chinas-future/

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Fallen Hamprince posted:

homework explainer going fully insane and moving to china to live out his police state fantasy is honestly a way better conclusion to that particular forums storyline than i was expecting

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.


Does this mean the SA forums aren't blocked in China

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



you need a vpn to access SA

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Jeb! Repetition posted:

Does this mean the SA forums aren't blocked in China

communist firewalls aren’t good enough to filter out potent goon shitposting

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008



going to bat for China as a MTW or whatever makes roughly a billion times more sense to me than going to bat for explicitly reactionary Russia as a tankie does tbh

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

by FactsAreUseless


Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

oppression of tibetans and uyghurs that’s ten times worse than what israel does to palestinians but also a million times less known or condemned

last i checked, tibetans and uyghurs have access to running water and more than one meal a day unlike gaza

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Yossarian-22 posted:

last i checked, tibetans and uyghurs have access to running water and more than one meal a day unlike gaza

there are literally more tibetans and uyghurs living without running or potable water than there are palestinians in palestine


but lol it’s not like in your pursuit of the oppression olympics you’ll ever find out from the chinese government or indeed care

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011


Jeb! Repetition posted:

There's been a big Free Tibet movement for a while, but I've never heard of what they're doing to the Uyghurs so you're right about that.

good all racist police statin'

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


i'm here and it's good. the usual suspects making their weirdo posts about me i see

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



i hope you've got a good quality mask for the pollution

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010




Lipstick Apathy

Hey what the gently caress the PRC doesn't have universal healthcare? What's next, the Soviet Union didn't either?

Rhukatah
Feb 26, 2013




See, it's not regulatory capture if you put red stars on it.

Yinlock
Oct 21, 2008




Fallen Hamprince posted:

homework explainer going fully insane and moving to china to live out his police state fantasy is honestly a way better conclusion to that particular forums storyline than i was expecting

how is he going to reconcile that with his racism though

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016
Probation
Can't post for 3924 days!


super confident that those SOE party members are looking out for the interests of the workers and definitely not busy shoving bricks of saran-wrapped cash into every available crawl-space in their multi-million dollar mansions

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


Yinlock posted:

how is he going to reconcile that with his racism though

what's this new addition to the fantasy version of me a half dozen of you conjure up by a game of forums telephone

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014

Eat your heart out PixieDreamGirl



Soiled Meat

C. Everett Koop posted:

but how is that going to work with all the sharia law britain has

Arise, ye prisoners of starvation!
Arise, ye wretched of the earth!
For justice thunders condemnation:
A better world's in birth!
No more tradition's chains shall bind us;
Arise, ye slaves, no more in thrall!
The earth shall rise on new foundations:
We have been nought, we shall be all!
'Tis the final conflict;
Let each stand in his place.
The International working class
Shall be the human race!
'Tis the final conflict;
Let each stand in his place.
The International working class
Shall be the human race!

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014

Eat your heart out PixieDreamGirl



Soiled Meat

Fallen Hamprince posted:

lol guyovich actually thinks comrade davos is going to usher in full communism, thats so loving cute lmao

free trade is loaded with revolutionary potential


https://www.marxists.org/archive/ma...888/free-trade/

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016
Probation
Can't post for 3924 days!


one of those goons who moves to japan because he likes anime, but for stalinism

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sniff I am already eating from the trash can all the time sniff



this thread is a lightning rod for all the worst posters

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

IT'S OK FOR ME TO POST SLURS BECAUSE I LISTEN TO LEFT WING PODCASTS

I wish I had forum stalkers

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004

truckin and fuckin beyond the grave



Pener Kropoopkin posted:

this thread is a lightning rod for all the worst posters

ya, except for me right

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sniff I am already eating from the trash can all the time sniff



Epic High Five posted:

ya, except for me right

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

by FactsAreUseless


Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

there are literally more tibetans and uyghurs living without running or potable water than there are palestinians in palestine


but lol it’s not like in your pursuit of the oppression olympics you’ll ever find out from the chinese government or indeed care

maybe because there are way way more of the latter

there are more starving americans than starving palestinians </galaxybrain>

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

this thread is a lightning rod for all the worst posters

it is complete now that you're here too

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.


Yinlock posted:

how is he going to reconcile that with his racism though

That's a genuinely uncool accusation to make.

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.


Epic High Five posted:

ya, except for me right

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

by FactsAreUseless


cargo cult posted:

going to bat for China as a MTW or whatever makes roughly a billion times more sense to me than going to bat for explicitly reactionary Russia as a tankie does tbh

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...6064434466.html

Trump is the ultimate MTW, plotting the destruction of the American empire!

























TRUMP

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016
Probation
Can't post for 3924 days!


A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

I wish I had forum stalkers

Kolchak the Night Crew Stalker

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

IT'S OK FOR ME TO POST SLURS BECAUSE I LISTEN TO LEFT WING PODCASTS

https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/st...619522153795584

Xi can do it

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



i woudln't want to live somewhere i had to wear a mask with filters in order to go outside tbh

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sniff I am already eating from the trash can all the time sniff



Jose posted:

i woudln't want to live somewhere i had to wear a mask with filters in order to go outside tbh

and yet you live in England

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



Aren't you in Arkansas

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

and yet you live in England

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.


Jose posted:

Aren't you in Arkansas

Arkansas got pretty clean air so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make

Jose
Jul 24, 2007



Dreddout posted:

Arkansas got pretty clean air so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make

So does England

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004

truckin and fuckin beyond the grave



Dreddout posted:

Arkansas got pretty clean air so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make

it's infested with Huckabees tho

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014

Eat your heart out PixieDreamGirl



Soiled Meat

Epic High Five posted:

it's infested with Huckabees tho

Huckabee and his rotund enjoyable human being sons

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pushpins
Sep 10, 2006


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Epic High Five posted:

it's infested with Huckabees tho

i woudln't want to live somewhere where Huckabees large adult son wears my dogs face

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