[Asia/Oceania] Forget About Chips - China Is Coming for Ships

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brotha from anatha: Mar 24, 2021; by Fluffdaddy

gradenko_2000 posted:

Territorial water disputes in the South China Sea have been a thing for decades, and I hopefully don't have to recapitulate all of it. But in short, China (among other countries) is claiming islands that the Philippines claims is rightfully theirs, and it culminated in an UNCLOS ruling in the PH's favor in 2016.

It was THE foreign policy issue of the 2016 elections, with Duterte promising that he'd ride a jetski out to the islands and plant a Philippine flag there himself.

Obviously that didn't happen, and rather the Duterte administration has been rather inert and inept and accommodating when it comes to trying to challenge these claims in the SCS. That's the main root of peoples's belief that Duterte is a puppet of Beijing.

Duterte's Build-Build-Build infrastructure program was also tied back to China in that the loans came from Beijing, and that there were Chinese construction firms involved in the projects. Since, of course, every Chinese firm is necessarily a "state-owned" firm, then people were speculating that this was being used as a backdoor by the Chinese government to place people inside the Philippines, to say nothing of the spectre of a "Chinese debt trap", as we've seen that narrative play out in Africa.

Another angle is that, starting in 2018, online gambling operations out of China started putting up call center operations in Manila. This disrupted the real estate market, and generally created this atmosphere of racialized fear with roving groups of twentysomething Chinese men going around parts of town while on their break, speaking a language lots of people couldn't understand and generally triggering a lot of middle-class "concerns" over property values. This goes hand-in-hand with a perceived spike in tourism from China when coupled with the stereotype of Chinese tourists being ill-mannered folk who poop and piss on sidewalks.

At some point, there was a scandal involving allegations that some of the employees of these call centers were actually PLA spies, and/or that some of the "retirees" buying up condominium properties in Manila were actually barely into their 30s and so had to be operating under false pretense.

Yet another angle is the establishment of DITO Telecommunications - a third player in a market currently dominated by a duopoly. The "problem" was that DITO is partnered/backed by Chinese business interests, which then raised the spectre of "what if Beijing is going to intercept your messages and read your emails".

More recently, COVID - besides the standard "China did this on purpose to damage the world" narrative, there's also been speculation that Duterte essentially traded-away islands in the South China Sea in exchange for doses of Sinovac, which is a lose-lose situation because not only did we lose our islands, we also got the lovely vaccine! This has been exacerbated by the administration repeatedly puffing-up the capabilities of Sinovac far beyond what's reasonable to say (and indeed, far more than what even the Chinese Health Ministry was willing to admit).

Last week, I did post that story about how there's something like a hundred-plus "maritime militia" ships occupying another part of our waters, followed by a "missile boat" chasing away a local journalist trying to report on the area.

Lastly, that specific image I posted was part of a thread about how one of our large media corporations, ABS-CBN (think something like MSNBC), recently agreed to air segments from "Chinatown TV", which is a Chinese-produced Mandarin-language news channel. Duterte badgered Congress into denying a renewal of ABS-CBN's broadcasting license early last year, which has lead to them downsizing greatly since they can no longer actually air on the radio or TV and now have to rely on their internet-based outlets. The thinking is that either Duterte had planned this all along in order to allow this show to enter Philippine media, or that he inadvertently caused this by damaging ABS-CBN's finances to the point where they were desperate enough to enter into this deal.

Either way, the thinking is "oh poo poo the Chinese now have a direct line to broadcast propaganda right into our airwaves, invasion is imminent!", even if it literally wouldn't work that way because A. it's in loving Mandarin, who would even understand it? and B. the whole point of denying the broadcasting license is so that ABS-CBN can't be on the airwaves anymore, which means you can only watch this if you're livestreaming ABS-CBN via Facebook or youtube.

Anyway, it's just this constant compounding of one issue after another that ratchets up the Sinophobic paranoia and it feels like it's reaching a fever pitch.

im starting to think that defining naval borders based on spikes of land jutting out of the seafloor was kind of a bad idea

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 11:37

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Deified Data posted:

lol gently caress this nazi, but also I had not heard of Zhang Weili and she seems pretty badass

there are contradictions in every thing and in each stage of a development of a thing, such as when zhang's knee connects to rose's face and each additional blow will add additional quantity until there's a qualitative shift leading to a KO. that's called the unity of opposites as i explain on the joe rogan show

# ? Apr 15, 2021 23:41

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Well lets hope somebody edit a Rocky IV video after the fight. Although there is no Chinese song as awesome as the Soviet anthem.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 00:14

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

It's all about enthusiasm and presentation. That's why Brother Hao is so great.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 00:17

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

who�s favored in the fight

# ? Apr 16, 2021 00:29

Deified Data: Nov 3, 2015; Fun Shoe

indigi posted:

who�s favored in the fight

Zhang is the strawweight world champion with double the wins and half the losses of Namajunas. Communism will win

# ? Apr 16, 2021 00:48

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Deified Data posted:

Zhang is the strawweight world champion with double the wins and half the losses of Namajunas. Communism will win

inshallhah

# ? Apr 16, 2021 00:50

Southpaugh: May 26, 2007; Smokey Bacon

It should be competitive but I think Zhang will win. Rose is very good, if clearly addled.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 02:06

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

if she doesn't win I will no longer believe in Hebei province's commitment to socialism

# ? Apr 16, 2021 02:08

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1382805081708433413

# ? Apr 16, 2021 02:31

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Didn't Putin build a bridge over that piece of strait just a couple years ago?

# ? Apr 16, 2021 02:41

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua/photos/a.457652464404016/1899191323583449

quote:

The Russian Federation continues to violate the International Maritime Law.

According to the Ukrainian Naval Forces Command, today in the Sea of Azov, FSB patrol boats made an attempt to interfere with the legitimate activities of the Ukrainian Naval Forces swift boat group, which is on a combat duty. Notwithstanding the provocations and purposeful actions of the Russians to limit the navigation of foreign ships, the Ukrainian Navy tactical group continued to carry out its tasks.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 02:45

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Remember I talked about this a few days ago?

US set to brand Taiwan as currency manipulator even as ties warm lol

# ? Apr 16, 2021 02:50

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Lostconfused posted:

https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua/photos/a.457652464404016/1899191323583449

Swift Boat Veterans for Ukraine

I'm Volodymyr Zelensky, and I'm reporting for duty!

# ? Apr 16, 2021 02:56

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

I couldn't find a good english translation for it. I guess you can just call them patrol boats or something.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 03:00

THS: Sep 15, 2017

stephenthinkpad posted:

Remember I talked about this a few days ago?

US set to brand Taiwan as currency manipulator even as ties warm lol

lmao

# ? Apr 16, 2021 04:29

strange feelings re Daisy: Aug 2, 2000

stephenthinkpad posted:

Remember I talked about this a few days ago?

US set to brand Taiwan as currency manipulator even as ties warm lol

Lmao. The US is probably going to sanction German entities for Nordstream too. Winning hearts and minds!

# ? Apr 16, 2021 04:48

BaldDwarfOnPCP: Jun 26, 2019; by Pragmatica

strange feelings re Daisy posted:

Lmao. The US is probably going to sanction German entities for Nordstream too. Winning hearts and minds!

coalition of the absent

# ? Apr 16, 2021 04:53

Flavahbeast: Jul 21, 2001

strange feelings re Daisy posted:

Lmao. The US is probably going to sanction German entities for Nordstream too. Winning hearts and minds!

That's the weird thing about the Russian buildup at Ukraine's border - Nord Stream 2 will be completed in a few months, I think the one thing that could cause Germany to scuttle the pipeline at this point would be a new Russian invasion of Ukraine

# ? Apr 16, 2021 05:04

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Flavahbeast posted:

That's the weird thing about the Russian buildup at Ukraine's border - Nord Stream 2 will be completed in a few months, I think the one thing that could cause Germany to scuttle the pipeline at this point would be a new Russian invasion of Ukraine

The first reports suggested that Ukraine mobilized first btw. As of yet, it doesn�t seem to have amounted to much

# ? Apr 16, 2021 05:58

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

The only escalation on part of Russia so far is this blockade. Which seems weird, but they also did this before in 2018.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 06:02

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

Starting to think I understand why Upton Sinclair made the protagonist in the Jungle lithuanian.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 06:40

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009; Fun Shoe

VideoTapir posted:

Jungle lithuanian.

jfc pevan stan

# ? Apr 16, 2021 06:43

Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Gonna start calling Estonians that.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 06:58

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

looks like local news backed down:

After backlash, ANC stops airing Chinese language newscast

quote:

MANILA, Philippines � Following heavy backlash on social media, ABS-CBN News Channel (ANC) has ended its partnership with Chinatown News TV (CNTV) and will no longer air the Mandarin-language newscast.

CNTV no longer aired Thursday evening on ANC and instead broadcast its episode on its own Facebook page.

Prior to this, ABS-CBN Integrated News and Current Affairs chief Ging Reyes defended the airing of CNTV on ANC, saying the show was produced by Filipinos with the goal of serving the Filipino-Chinese community.

She also assured that ABS-CBN retained editorial control over their content, despite a disclaimer appearing at the beginning of the show stating that the views of the anchors and producers of the newscast do not necessarily reflect the policies and position of the network.

CNTV, previously named Chinese News TV, stated on its website that it aims to promote Filipino-Chinese culture, keep the public informed on current events in the Philippines and abroad, and spread China�s ambitious �One Belt, One Road� infrastructure project that aims to link East Asia to Europe.

Mentions of it spreading the One Belt, One Road initiative have been removed from their website after Rappler first reported on the partnership between CNTV and ANC.

The newscast is produced by Horizon of the Sun Communications Inc., the same production company behind the Filipino-Chinese lifestyle show Chinatown TV.

Chinatown TV co-produced the much frowned upon music video for �Iisang Dagat,� a song penned by Chinese Ambassador to Manila Huang Xilian which is supposedly a tribute for COVID-19 frontliners, but was widely perceived to be propaganda for Beijing�s continued presence in the West Philippine Sea.

Chinatown News previously aired on state-run IBC13 and Iglesia ni Cristo-owned NET25 before it began airing on ANC last Monday.

ABS-CBN drew the ire of President Rodrigo Duterte over its alleged bias in its coverage of the 2016 elections and its failure to air his campaign ad.

Regulators shut down ABS-CBN�s main channel last year for lacking a franchise. A Duterte-allied House of Representatives sealed the fate of the media giant after it rejected its application for a fresh license.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 06:58

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Flavahbeast posted:

That's the weird thing about the Russian buildup at Ukraine's border - Nord Stream 2 will be completed in a few months, I think the one thing that could cause Germany to scuttle the pipeline at this point would be a new Russian invasion of Ukraine

This is not a Russian invasion though, this is Zelenski talking up about a potential invasion.

Both the Navalny Germany trip and the new Ukraine conflict can be explained by the Nordstream2.

# ? Apr 16, 2021 10:57

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1382982385088729088

# ? Apr 16, 2021 11:37

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

https://twitter.com/jkass99/status/1383162621663219713

You'd think China would be Extremely Aware of how terrible of an idea this is considering their own history of loving with the USSR in Afghanistan lol

# ? Apr 17, 2021 04:08

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

The actual text of the article said it probably wouldn�t happen and at best China would send peacekeepers to neighboring countries (I would assume Tajikistan specifically ).

They got ya.

# ? Apr 17, 2021 04:15

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/EsquirePH/status/1382988150457446402?s=19

So between the Chinatown TV deal getting cancelled and now reports that the so-called maritime militia has left Whitsun Reef entirely all of the poo poo that people were panicking over since last week has just evaporated

Although of course this doesn't stop people from speculating that it's all part of a longer term plan:

quote:

I think this is not the real cause why China left the reef. US is doing military exercises with Taiwan which is now defending their sovereignity. This is why the US fleet happens to be near the West Philippine Sea.

The Chinese vessels suddenly left the reef after news came out that Duterte allowed new mining deals after a 9-year ban. Coincidence? I don’t think so. There are even news that the president negotiated with the Chinese “privately” regarding the concerns about the Chinese vessels at the reef.

quote:

this might be a maneuver by the CCP so as not to hurt the Duterte admin's candidates during the coming elections

# ? Apr 17, 2021 04:21

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Setting aside the Bellingcat level sat image analysis, it would seem to me that the USN sidling up to another country's ship would be a provocation by THEM, and not the other way around

# ? Apr 17, 2021 06:50

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

USS Barry Obummer

# ? Apr 17, 2021 09:26

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

China is not going to do anything to the reefs when Duterte (and his daughter) are running the show. They are pretty friendly to PRC. But if the opposition is back, the gloves are off. Why are you think China is not building island on the Scarborough Shoal.

# ? Apr 17, 2021 11:31

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

I'll be honest, I think it's pretty hilarious that this colonial power with access to ten million square KM of exclusive ocean access is getting mad at China for trying to use the ocean. I think China has under a million square km of eez even though their coastline is huge.

# ? Apr 17, 2021 14:03

Gorman Thomas: Jul 24, 2007

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

I'll be honest, I think it's pretty hilarious that this colonial power with access to ten million square KM of exclusive ocean access is getting mad at China for trying to use the ocean. I think China has under a million square km of eez even though their coastline is huge.

To the USN's credit, they know that controlling trade routes is their true mission. Since Perry opened Japan in the 19th century, the USN's pacific fleet has been capital's enforcer in the region.

# ? Apr 17, 2021 16:49

F Stop Fitzgerald: Dec 12, 2010

China has had their eye on Afghanistan for future BRI projects for a while, and talks have gotten more productive since Trump's deal. mark my words "China is invading Afghanistan now!!" is going to be the next new toy for the imperialist left this decade

# ? Apr 17, 2021 16:56

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

China has had their eye on Afghanistan for future BRI projects for a while, and talks have gotten more productive since Trump's deal. mark my words "China is invading Afghanistan now!!" is going to be the next new toy for the imperialist left this decade

This is why we should support the (soon to be ) Turkish backed Alternative Taliban.

# ? Apr 17, 2021 17:01

Zedhe Khoja: Nov 10, 2017; sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

One of the coolest revelations from the MSF hospital massacre was that was the only large hospital in that entire region of Afghanistan. Like, we've been "nation building" for an entire generation. The gently caress were we building?
If China actually builds some loving infrastructure the entire country will probably be Maoists within the week.

# ? Apr 17, 2021 17:04

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Crowsbeak posted:

This is why we should support the (soon to be ) Turkish backed Alternative Taliban.

i thought this is what ISIS in Afghanistan was

# ? Apr 17, 2021 17:05

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# ? Apr 28, 2024 11:37

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

I don't really see that "China is sending dudes to Afghanistan" as a coming death knell for Chinese imperialism so much as the media trying to throw everything it can to make the case that the US shouldn't leave

# ? Apr 17, 2021 17:09

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