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Volcott posted:Well at least they're not doing it in Nanking! uhhhh
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Mar 9, 2018 19:19
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Jose posted:does china have free universal healthcare or a welfare state yet no, but the state owns a lot of businesses and bernie sanders told me That's Socialism
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Mar 31, 2018 08:55
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Taiwan not red = 1 like&subscribe
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Apr 6, 2018 07:01
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marxism right, theism wrong simple as that folks
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Aug 10, 2018 18:36
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Top City Homo posted:excellent journalist these are talking points from like 1967
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Sep 19, 2018 08:10
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Karl Barks posted:China's leadership's obsession with Marx is kind of Western centric, imo, they can do better Marxism is a universal truth, actually
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Oct 4, 2018 19:05
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:actually turning this into a chinese history thread while continuing to mock the financial times would be good 150 years ago some christians caused a rebellion in China that caused more death and displacement than the european theater of WWII but it didn't make it into western history books and has been erased from eastern ones oops
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Oct 7, 2018 02:55
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I was thinking of moving back to Taiwan but this midterm really makes me want to reconsider
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Nov 25, 2018 00:48
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you guys are kinda misunderstanding what communist party member means in china
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Nov 27, 2018 20:05
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does china's communist party have a modern left wing at all I know there's some stalinist hardliners still clinging to life peppered here and there but I don't think they have any fresh, contemporary communist thinkers
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Nov 27, 2018 21:46
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I don't mean liberal reformer elements... China does need more personal freedom but it doesn't necessarily need western style liberal democracy with it. I just mean are there people looking to make education and healthcare free and well funded, worried about the growth of a billionaire class and looking to curb it, worried about worker empowerment in the workplace etc... any modern marxist/left thinkers who are worried about contemporary problems from that framework
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Nov 28, 2018 04:09
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that article is like a wet fart PSL.web article where some politician somewhere mentions socialism in a positive way and they decree that a new revolution has started, rinse and repeat every month or so
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Dec 4, 2018 18:40
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 this kind of stuff
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Dec 4, 2018 18:44
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cargo cult posted:if it makes u feel any better i took two 400 lvl chinese history classes in collefe, got As in them and now i dont remember anything and now i dont even attempt to understand china. i also racistly struggle with Chinese names sometimes its not racist to have trouble speaking a foreign language, relax
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Dec 18, 2018 07:47
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yeah what they said
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Dec 22, 2018 21:26
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yawn
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Dec 22, 2018 21:57
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I'm excited for China to start lending money to UK after no deal. Will be cool to see the british isles part of a global empire again, even if this time as a colony
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Dec 22, 2018 21:58
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Typo posted:Xi Jiping is the de facto leader of the free democratic world order, the American-led capitalist order is a dictatorship, effectively dictating exploitation to every other country by the bourgeois based in Washington DC and New York. The Chinese vision of international order would be more democratic by giving every nation a greater say in how the world order is governed along with respect for sovereignty, freedom, and rights of exploited countries on the world stage. Tell me more
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Dec 31, 2018 02:56
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Deng pretty much doomed China to being an authoritarian capitalist state until the next bloody civil war can overthrow it. There was a brief period in the 80s where China was getting pretty good but he squashed it. He also arbitrarily made his hometown, a large city but in the middle of nowhere, a first tier city with special economic status on par with Beijing and Shanghai lol
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Jan 2, 2019 22:14
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Typo posted:LOL had the counter-revolutionaries/anti-party groups succeeded in the 1980s 1990s China would have being like 1990s Russia 90s russia happened because western economists were emboldened by the "polish miracle" and decided to heartlessly experiment with the livelihood of a hundred million people. There were plenty of political thinkers in China asking for more worker control, freedom, and democracy (not meaning western liberal republic style government but rule by the people). They were not looking for social experiments or foreign experts. Deng had every potential to set a path for a more democratic and free China but instead decided that the future was in the party's hands, not the nation or the people. What do you think about Kronstadt?
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Jan 2, 2019 22:27
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Gorbachev was right that socialism needed reform, and I think he was right to address the obvious problems and flaws the USSR had created. He incredible misshandling of his reforms lead to his coup and I don't think you can say that 1980s china was in an identical position... if anything after the gang of four was removed China was for a moment open to a lot of possibilities and they also chose a regretful path.
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Jan 2, 2019 22:42
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Fallen Hamprince posted:I'll note that Marx formulated this theory in the 19th century before environmentalism became a big thing; IMO it's more likely that industrial society collapses due to lack of resources or catastrophic environmental change than any intrinsic long-term trend in capitalist political economy. Marx was actually interested in all the systems of accumulation and wrote about how Capitalism placing so many humans into cities disrupts the nutrient cycle i.e. we take nutrition from the soil, feed the people in the city, and it washes down the river and out to sea, leaving the system. Of course modern petrochemicals and bioscience means we can add it back in but it's pretty incredible Marx of all people was the first to think of this problem. It's also really interesting that on this kinda marxist forum most people don't get past the Crisis, Falling Profit, Blah Blah thing of Marx. Him and Engles really fuckin' owned at analyzing social systems to a level no one has even gotten close to and most of it will be an important consideration in what the hell to do after capitalism Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 23:18 on Jan 2, 2019 |
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Jan 2, 2019 23:16
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Typo posted:A really fascinating point of comparative politics is to contrast The August coup of 1991 vs Tienanmen Square of 1989, and why one regime collapsed while the other didn't and the consequences of each. lol how are these anything alike other than Famous Foreign Event
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Jan 2, 2019 23:21
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Typo posted:both are the direct consequences of trying to reform the Socialist states which were built up in the immediate post-war era This is kinda a stretch when the tanks were pointing in completely opposite directions in these two events
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Jan 2, 2019 23:36
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It's like extremely bad analysis to say that normal people coming to the halls of power for various reasons and being run over by military hardware is the same as Yeltsin standing on a tank and then a coup attempt shooting into the parliament Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 23:56 on Jan 2, 2019 |
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Jan 2, 2019 23:42
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Tiananmen square is also a "first as farce, then as tragedy" situation when Deng himself orchestrated a protest in the square 15 years prior to the more famous event, following the death of Zhou Enlai. People were questioning the direction of the government and asking for reforms. The precedent of protesting in the square and using the "Democracy Wall" to air grievances were, in 1989, well established, in fact Deng was placed on house arrest explicitly for supporting their use. When Hu Yaobang died and several student movements met in the square, a completely organic protest of exactly the same type Deng had previously orchestrated against his enemies was squashed with martial force. Few (none?) were calling for the end of the Chinese Communist Party's rule or a even change in leadership, just a change in the direction of the development of Chinese society. Deng Xiaoping sucks and it's too bad a billion people are brainwashed into thinking he does not, in fact, suck
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Jan 3, 2019 00:06
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Fuligin posted:his point (i think) is that the very attempt to reform precipitated a crisis of the old order. having now successfully contained or erased popular demand for reform, and witnessed the SU's spectacular collapse and russia's diminished state, i'm sure that most of the ccp think tiananmen square was crushed appropriately. xi's strange contortions between gung-ho savior of international trade (and the capitalist order it perpetuates) and maoist nostalgia and red values is a response to perceived constraints.he faces the problem of what to do with a capitalist sector that is important to enrich the country/increase national self-sufficiency but which simultaneously perpetuates inequality and erodes party authority and discipline. One party rule, with its opacity, factionalism, and sheer sprawl, is deeply vulnerable to corruption and crony capitalism Are you talking about the very Communist thing he did raising the tax rate on the wealthy from 25% to 45% overnight. Or the funny thing that china has an essentially flat tax for anyone living in a city so everyone got hosed really hard.
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Jan 3, 2019 00:10
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Typo posted:Of course, poster Modest Mao first unironically perpetuate propaganda brought by the anti-party gang of four (the leader of which admitted she never understood Maoism while beguiling Mao and responsible for his 30% bad) against Deng over 1976 and then unironically perpetuate propaganda against the party this is really gross behavior
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Jan 3, 2019 00:42
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Typo posted:I don't think we are even talking about the same coup, the coup you are thinking of is the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis which occurred after the USSR fell, that's distinct from the 1991 August coup which precipitated the fall of the USSR You're right my brain merged parts of those events in a very confusing way
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Jan 3, 2019 01:24
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:is this postmodernism? It's literally marginal utility economic theory laid bare
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Jan 3, 2019 04:57
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sincx posted:Lmao, the China thread in the Unnamed Forum is once again just sexpats defending their Asian fetishes. Modest Mao is very angry that the local guys aren't willing to facilitate his sexpating. I literally don't have sex (incel)
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Jan 6, 2019 09:37
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tino posted:Taiwan doesn't have high tech stuff to steal. huh
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Jan 8, 2019 01:41
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oh you mean it's already been stolen or what edit: that post is very ignorant and it upsets me literally just today 6 people were arrested after being paid 1 million each to leak tech info to China https://www.ft.com/content/e8cf1de0-1274-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 01:46 on Jan 8, 2019 |
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Jan 8, 2019 01:42
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The Great Autismo! posted:I thought serpentza was married to a chinese woman and that modest Mao lived in Taiwan with his Taiwanese girlfriend I work in media (photographer/cinematographer) so I gotta travel a lot, I've been based in Taiwan and L.A. The party I missed that sincx is obsessed with was an industry thing, media people just hanging out and I'd be there to make business connections & have fun. I'm probably the least sex-patty guy. It's extremely easy to gently caress over foreign people who are in China temporarily for a job. I've invested basically my entire adult life in my career in Asia. In LA speaking mandarin is a novelty. It actually really blows to be so vulnerable but I guess it's funny cause I'm white and historically it is the Chinese people's turn to be racists. Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 06:41 on Jan 9, 2019 |
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Jan 9, 2019 06:34
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They are probably nervous about being a bad host with a foreigner or a million other minor things but you're just afraid of race mixing. Projecting that into every social situation is pretty cool!
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Jan 9, 2019 08:30
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I kinda think there's another thread for the foreign male experience in China. It's a little interesting that people can go to jail for weeks for posts they make in small private chat groups but this thread is better suited for more less trivial subjects that whiteness abroad. Also your obsession with interracial couples is bordering /r/hapa Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 20:04 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Jan 10, 2019 20:01
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sincx posted:I think the biases, racist tendencies, and hidden motives of the "foreign white male," who are almost the exclusive source of English-language news about and discourse regarding China, is a very relevant topic for this thread. uhhhh I don't think anyone gives a poo poo about this. This article has some interesting stuff, definitely. But her opening example of sexpat is foreign men in China trying to rape a Canadian journalist. I think you really need some self reflection about why you find this topic so fascinating. Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 20:34 on Jan 10, 2019 |
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Jan 10, 2019 20:29
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The journalism article you posted is a lot more on topic. You're taking things from the white expat experience thread and bringing them into the China politics thread in a weird and obsessive way.
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Jan 10, 2019 20:39
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Yeah but you have ulterior motives, clearly. Maybe I'm just creeped out because you're following me around the forums in a not-gimmick-poster way.
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Jan 10, 2019 20:45
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Darkman Fanpage posted:oh cool this thread has become like the gbs one where all the weird goons that went to china and hated it talk about how much they hate china Actually China owns
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Jan 11, 2019 05:08
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