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sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

it is pretty funny that Americans can’t stop eating General Tso’s, when he was basically a mass murderer.

Just wait, we'll be calling it "General Freedom's" soon enough.

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sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

Bulgakov posted:

lol at the western fetish for ~reforms~ and how much it blinds them

One of the basic tenets of liberalism is that a government can't just take an action and know what will happen, everything is unpredictable, so a liberal government has to remain agnostic to causes and focus on effects instead. "Reform" is like a slot machine that keeps putting out different effects, so if you just keep pulling the lever, you'll surely get something you like eventually.

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

The US is apparently deathly afraid of Huawei having the first 5G on the market, because the Chinese government would use them to spy on us.

Surely the American 5G producers benefiting directly from these actions won't have any obligation to spy for the US government.

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

genericnick posted:

What even is the point of 5G? Am I the only one who can live without streaming 4k porn on my 6'' devices?

More data means more surveillance opportunity, something every government in the world wants.

A more granular network of smaller antennas means better location tracking of mobile devices even without GPS. Capacity for a higher number of devices in one network is touted for more "internet of things" devices with all sorts of sensors. And of course constant connectivity to gamified social media means more metrics on what people are thinking.

All of these happen to be business opportunities, too. But not for Huawei, apparently.

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

The CIA
It's definitely not because independent working class organisation is a threat to the party dictatorship!

Maybe we should try shutting down the CIA and see if that helps things?

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

get that OUT of my face posted:

what's the one country in central Europe supporting it?

Looks like Serbia.

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

Grapplejack posted:

Australia and the United States are the two countries you want to have at your back in a human rights dispute

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

This one's clearer

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1150257518230298624

But he made a bunch of tweets

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1150252253363736577

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

He's their DCM in Pakistan, not in Washington, D.C.

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

well, that certainly makes everything better

I never meant to imply that, it's just understandable that he leans more heavily on anti-American sentiment there.

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

Goast posted:

just bring back the qing

Weird to see a Manchukuo supporter in this day and age.

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

LimburgLimbo posted:

It’s a string of assertions that’s based entirely under the assumption that Xi and all the Chinese leadership are dyed in the wool true and strict believers in Socialism and are playing 5D chess to that end and is completely meaningless if that’s not true.

It sounds like they do a whole lot of study and discourse on socialism for people who don't actually believe in it. Is that just 5D chess, too?

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

LimburgLimbo posted:

As in China as a country or specifically the leadership?

The leadership.

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sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

Zohar posted:

it's interesting how the main arguments against the protesters atm are that they were damaging property, they were disrespectful to national symbols, they were preventing people getting to their jobs, and they were being mean to cops. really makes you think.

I think the main argument should be that these protests are occurring in sync with an American trade war against China, which will of course include engaging in destabilizing vectors outside of just trade. There is likely more motivating the protests than Hong Kongers' legitimate criticisms of Beijing, or else they might have reached this level in response to earlier events. With that in mind, China can't really expect to end the protests by listening to the protesters' demands and giving concessions, although I do think there's a possibility to quell them somewhat.

Anyway, highlighting occurrences of violence and destruction is not necessarily an argument against the protesters, but potential evidence of the existence of agents provocateurs. These events were rather peaceful at the start after all, at least until it was clear the "color revolution" playbook didn't quite apply to the conditions of HK.

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