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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Last I heard, Xi was really popular in China while the CPC as a whole was seen as sort of poo poo, mostly because of corruption

Seeing a lot of Western media collapsing the two together when discussing the public reaction to potential changes to term limits is making me suspicious, but I'm wondering if people know more. I haven't been keeping up with China much since the CPC Congress

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

marx: still kickin!



Blessed image

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/ajitbirsingh/status/992429971691003904

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

China is colonizing the US guys
https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1003004533084229633

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1003697620462788609

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Xi is heroically trying to stop kids from becoming gamers

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1035777385306587136

quote:

The downward spiral of gaming companies' stocks came a day after Chinese education authorities directed the country's publishing administration to regulate the total number of online games available on the market, curb the number of new titles and limit playing times for minors.

The directives are part of a broader plan to tackle myopia in a country where more than 36 percent of its fourth graders and 65 percent of its eighth graders wear glasses to school, according to official data published in July this year.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

idc about lee carter's posts, i care about green party posts

https://twitter.com/ajamubaraka/status/1067765243059810305

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

SEZ's were a compromise that have advanced China's industrial and technological base while letting imperialists profit, but they still may be the base for capitalist restoration. Over the past year I've grown more optimistic that China will actually succeed in using them to build socialism without it backfiring. The global industrial changes they partly caused did help in the assault against US unions which may seen as a blow to the Amerikkkan labor aristocrats or a subversion of the greatest source of working class power in imperialist core depending on your POV.

I'm ready to do a full on tankie explanation/apologetic of what's happening in Xinjiang, but right now I'll just leave a hot take of "China might not be in this situation if they didn't help out the Afghan mujaheddin."

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/OmeletteRed/status/1070757115088855040

Thread is wild.

I'm sold. I'm going all in and becoming a pro-PRC conspiracy theorist now.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1080501477733330944

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

BrainDance posted:

what about adding -esque to everything? then everyone knows you're super smart.

A unified Korea is such an unlikely possibility now I don't think anyone actually seriously even plans for it as a possibility. The sun might also explode killing us all but the odds are so small it's not worth bothering with.



Korea is going to be unified soon! I believe!

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

BrainDance posted:

lol yeah ok guys, sure.

Unified Korea 2020.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


Carl "Chad" Zha once again bullies his enemies into submission

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1137333253734449153

R. Guyovich posted:

stoller reliably has the politics of a 19th-century opium dealer

I remember a few years ago he tweeted out "Socialism isn't real" because it's just a state monopoly in an industry or something dumb.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


I don't care about protesters being violent, but anyone waving a British flag with pride deserves to be tear gassed

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

I don't buy that the We Love The Brits stuff is more than a very vocal minority. it reminds me of the very small part of the iranian opposition that wants the shah back. Basically weird hopeless reactionaries trying to hook onto a popular movement.

You're probably right. The Western media loving loves these people though
https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/1138202179477549056
https://twitter.com/Daily_Express/status/1138975128757395457

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

He sort of is the pope of Buddhism considering how anti-communist the Catholic Church has been.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


Is USAID going to back to their pre-woke phase of just paying fascists to run orgs called stuff like the "World Anti-Communist League?"

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


The more recent talk they gave is even more sus
https://twitter.com/DurRobert/status/1148090885470654464

quote:

Our experimental sample is drawn from among the undergraduate student body at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology (HKUST). Studying the protest participation of university students is of particular interest given students’ historical engagement in movements for political rights around the world (Glaeser et al., 2007), and in Hong Kong specifically. Students disproportionately involve in Hong Kong’s movement for political rights — for example, in the broader Hong Kong population, participation in the Umbrella Revolution was under 5%, while among students in our sample it is around 45%. We recruit subjects to participate in a survey on students’ preferences, waves of which have been collected since 2015 (see Cantoni et al., 2016, 2019 for more details). A recruitment email is sent to the entire HKUST undergraduate student body, and typically between 10% and 20% of undergraduates participate.
...
We aimed to encourage protest participation without explicitly paying for turnout — directly paying for turnout could potentially generate a set of compliers very different from the typical protest participants we hoped to study.13 To generate a strong first stage without paying directly for turnout, we paid for behavior conditional on turnout: providing us with information that would help us estimate crowd sizes at the protest.14 Specifically, within the online survey, individuals randomly selected to be in the indirect protest incentive treatment group were presented with the following prompt (full text can be found in Online Appendix C.6):

Because many students attend the events of July 1, we are asking a subset of survey participants to help us get a better estimate of the July 1 March attendance. . . . We would like to ask you to participate in this scientific endeavor. This should take only 5 minutes of your time while you are at the March. . . . Once you have uploaded all the information, we will pay you additional HK$350 for your time and effort.

Subjects in the treatment group received an email the night before the July 1, 2017, march with detailed instructions on how to complete the task. In particular, treated subjects would be able to use a secure link to upload the information we requested during the march. Subjects who uploaded all requested information and completed the protest participation reporting module would be eligible to receive the bonus payment, and we consider them to have taken up the treatment. The full protest participation reporting module can be found in Online Appendix C.7.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

deckgibson posted:

global times guy at the airport in an i love cops t shirt is pretty much the same thing as andy ngo going to an antifa protest and accosting people on camera, what a surprise that the same outcome happened

honestly I bet some MSS dudes saw that and were like “hey let’s do that but in HK”

considering some of the Patriot Prayer guys flew out to HK to join the protests, probably not the best comparison for the situation

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

If the Hong Kong protesters are being inspired by Ukraine are they gonna be shot at by hardcore secessionists as part of a false flag next

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Graffiti only takes one person to put up so I'm hesitant to say it indicates the political views of a large part of the protesters.

The groups carrying US and colonial flags at the very least had a few dozen members, and people were arguing they were fringe.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

So what Hong Kong comedian does she want to replace Carrie Lam

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Intellectual property isn't real

China has the right view on this

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Frijolero posted:

Looks like Reuters changed their headline to this article. Standard practice!

https://twitter.com/JChengWSJ/status/1170592856722919425?s=09

these tankies at the Wall Street Journal and Reuters are just trying to make the protests look bad

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


i'm still not sure why those two refused to hold hands for a protest about holding hands, and this just makes the situation even more offputting

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

fake bana shops are funny, but it's not as wild as when the account begged to start WW3


hong kong protests aren't at this level yet

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/KariOdermann/status/1171750430726066177?s=20

tino posted:

Are you guys following the news? The fuel between Li Ka Shing and CCP is surfacing. CCP is pretty much one People's Daily article away from calling him the black hand behind the students.

Who cares about the casinos, properly developers are where the moneys at.

This is some good stuff

quote:

Hong Kong tycoon Li Ka-shing hits back at ‘unwarranted’ accusations he condones crime and caused city’s housing crisis
South China Morning Post
Kimmy Chung
13 September 2019

Tycoon Li Ka-shing has hit back at an “unwarranted” attack from Beijing’s political and legal affairs commission over his comments on Hong Kong’s ongoing anti-government protests.

An article published on Thursday in an official WeChat account of the party department accused the 91-year-old billionaire of condoning crime and causing the city’s housing crisis.

Li had urged those in power to “provide a way out” for the young demonstrators, describing them as the “masters of our future”. He said the protesters should consider the city’s overall interests too.

He also said that on political issues, justice might have to be tempered with mercy.

The commentary seized on his phrase “provide a way out”, and said showing leniency towards those who had broken the law was “nothing more than condoning crime”.

“This is not about thinking about Hong Kong, but watching Hong Kong slip into the abyss,” it said.

It also suggested that Li, as a major developer in Hong Kong, should be the one providing “a way out” for Hongkongers, as the city’s housing woes were believed to be a major deep-rooted cause of increasingly violent protests now in their fourth month.

The tycoon responded in a statement issued through his Li Ka Shing Foundation, saying it was regrettable that his remarks had been misinterpreted, adding that he had been “accustomed to unwarranted accusations for many years”.

“But the most important thing is, tolerance does not mean connivance and disregarding any legal procedures,” it said.

Li emphasised that he was opposed to any violence and hoped all parties would not “incite conflict”, but make room instead to cool down and initiate dialogue in Hong Kong.

The commentary also focused on Li’s role as a major developer in a city gripped by severe housing shortages and some of the highest property prices in the world.

It quoted angry online comments, including one asking: “Why doesn’t Li’s family give people a way out when Hong Kong citizens fail to pay the mortgage on your homes?”

It quoted another who said: “Why doesn’t Li’s family offer discounts to the ‘masters of our future’ for their housing? That would be more effective to stabilise Hong Kong’s situation!”

The commentary argued that skyrocketing housing prices were “undoubtedly” one of the key causes of the ongoing unrest.

“Many young people in Hong Kong have vented their dissatisfaction and even anger to the government over the expensive home prices and high rents,” it said. “But they have made a mistake on the target. Who is benefiting from the skyrocketing home prices? The answer is not difficult to guess.”

The article came a day after the pro-Beijing Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong placed a front-page advertisement in a local newspaper urging the city’s embattled government to invoke the Lands Resumption Ordinance to take back idle rural land held by developers and use it to ease the housing shortage.

The commentary concluded by asking whether Li had read the advert, saying: “Will developers like Li, who make money by hoarding land, provide ‘a way out’ for Hong Kong citizens? And for Hong Kong’s future?”

Separately, Harbour Grand Hotel, owned by Li's family, issued a statement on Friday dismissing rumours that its restaurant was reserved for protesters.

A spokesman said its popular restaurant had a current promotion and the dinner buffet was fully booked, but there was no screening of customers.

In a recording that has been circulating online, a customer suggested that the restaurant had reserved bookings for protesters as she could not get a table for the rest of the month.

The hotel spokesman said it was still taking reservations for some morning and lunchtime slots.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-tycoon-li-ka-112830257.html

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

this cia op is the lamest

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

love those maps that include the 9 dash line, but are missing half of the Philippines

i do support the unified Korea

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

congrats to china for the new major cultural export out of the country
https://twitter.com/hebeipangzai/status/1185912366594064385

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Modest Mao posted:

Their situation is bad and instead of radicalizing them western leftists just scold them and allow a big window for CIA lol

Posted from my iPhone

this comparison might make sense if the western left was as organized and well funded as the CIA

but i'm sure the HK protesters would be flying red banners and attacking landlords if only the tankies didn't post and tweet their criticisms

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

SHOT

quote:

9:55 a.m. ET, October 24, 2019
China censors CNN's coverage of truck deaths in the UK
From CNN's Lily Lee

Chinese censors on Thursday cut off CNN's coverage of the deaths of 39 Chinese nationals found in a truck in England the day before.

It is not uncommon for China to censor negative or sensitive stories covered by international broadcasters.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/essex-bodies-truck-container-dle-intl-gbr/h_4ad66af994831c8be33d6f5a3e86e6cb

CHASER

quote:

WORLD NEWS
OCTOBER 26, 2019 / 3:18 AM / UPDATED 28 MINUTES AGO
Most of 39 UK truck victims were likely from Vietnam: priest

NGHE AN, Vietnam (Reuters) - Most of the 39 people found dead in the back of a truck near London were likely from Vietnam, a community leader from the rural, rice-growing community where many of the victims are believed to have come from said on Saturday.

The bodies were discovered on Wednesday after emergency services were alerted to people in a truck container on an industrial site in Grays, about 32km (20 miles) east of central London.

Police said initially they believed the dead were Chinese but Beijing said the nationalities had not yet been confirmed. Chinese and Vietnamese officials are now both working closely with British police, their respective embassies have said.
...
Police in the county of Essex declined to elaborate as to how they first identified the dead as Chinese, but said they would not give any more details about the identities or nationalities of the victims until the formal identification process had taken place.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Tom Smykowski posted:

2 dudes chillin in Syria ain't an active presence

There's at least a couple thousand Uighur fighters in Syria, and they control territory. They receive supplies from Turkey.

quote:

Since 2013, thousands of Uighurs, a Turkic-speaking Muslim minority from western China, have traveled to Syria to train with the Uighur militant group Turkistan Islamic Party and fight alongside al-Qaida, playing key roles in several battles. Syrian President Bashar Assad’s troops are now clashing with Uighur fighters as the six-year conflict nears its endgame.
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Uighur activists and Syrian and Chinese officials estimate that at least 5,000 Uighurs have gone to Syria to fight — though many have since left. Among those, several hundred have joined the Islamic State, according to former fighters and Syrian officials.

As Uighurs streamed out of China, militant leaders have seized upon China’s treatment of Muslims as a recruiting tactic. The Islamic State, for instance, regularly publishes Uighur-language editions of its radio bulletins and magazines, while the Turkistan Islamic Party has been releasing videos on a near-weekly basis, said Rita Katz, director of the SITE Intelligence monitoring group.

“How can those who are imprisoned due to their faith be freed? How can they be saved from this humiliation?” a masked Uighur fighter says in a Turkestan Islamic Party video released last year. “Words from our mouths won’t help, but jihad for Allah will.”
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From Istanbul, several of the former fighters described taking buses or being driven to the border region of Hatay, where they would cross on foot at night through lightly guarded hills. After a three-hour hike into Syria, cars waited in a forest clearing to whisk them to separate camps dotting the country’s north. One fighter said he simply drove in, unobstructed, on the highway from the Turkish city of Gaziantep.

When the Uighurs arrived in Jisr al-Shughour, a strategic town on the edge of Assad’s stronghold of Latakia region, men with families, like Ali, moved into a ruined neighborhood of single-story brick homes where 150 families stayed. Single men lived together in larger apartment buildings.

The men undertook three-month training sessions in the use of Soviet AKM rifles, shoulder-mounted rocket-propelled grenade launchers, physical conditioning and mapping.

At the beginning of the course, the trainers showed off their prized cache of captured American M-16s and German G3 rifles, but each fighter received a battered AKM and cheap Chinese ammunition. Boys as young as 12 and 13 — mostly orphans — were taken to a separate camp for religious classes and physical training.

Two fighters said they received boxes of food from IHH, a Turkish Islamic charity group, that included rice, flour, meat and even fish imported from Thailand. One of the fighters said the food supplies were labeled with the foreign fighting group they were being shipped to — for example, “Turkistanis (Uighurs) or Uzbeks.”
https://apnews.com/79d6a427b26f4eeab226571956dd256e

China has accused Turkey of providing Uighurs with Turkish passports.

quote:

China arrested nine Muslim Uighurs and 10 Turkish nationals in November over a fake passport plot, state media report.

The Global Times said the Turks gave illegal passports to the Uighurs, who attempted to leave China.

Some of the Uighurs' phones contained "terrorist" material, the paper said, and several confessed they were heading for Syria, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
...
The Turkish embassy in Beijing and the police in Shanghai would not verify the latest story and it was not immediately clear why the information had just emerged.

But the Global Times said the passport-selling scheme had been in progress for months.

Each person paid 60,000 yuan (£6,380; $9,680) for forged and altered passports provided to them by the Turks, who had entered China legally, it said.

One of the Uighurs arrested was a known terror suspect who had "on several occasions in the past broadcast transmissions that fanned ethnic hatred and discrimination in Xinjiang", the paper said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-30810439

whatever7 posted:

See this is where I disagree. What China doesn't allow, is not religion, is a blend of religion that pledge royal to foreign states. The water down version of islam the Uyghurs used to practiced was okay. But authentic Sunni Islam is not okay. This is what CCP trying to brain wash away.

Also Uyghurs got targets because their local culture hasn't "submitted to Han dominace" the same way other minorities do, or the native Indians do to the Whites in the US. Maybe you can call it racism. But the motivation is not racism.

Cool to know Uighurs weren't real Muslims until 30 years ago

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

It's weird to me that China's support for the Afghan mujaheddin and close ties to Pakistan even as it became more theocratic are never discussed in relation to the country's policies in Xinjiang.

Bloodnose posted:

Whew. There's that Erdogan bad I was talking about.

Erdogan was also using the Uighurs as a captive proxy force that could fight in and be settled in Syria to help increase Turkish control

Turkish imperial dreams in Syria have been forcibly scaled back over recent years so it's not a huge surprise that they've been given lower priority

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

wait let me get this straight hong kong poland hungary italy is way below the replacement rate and yet the protestors are mad that too many young chinese people immigrants are allowed to move in

look hong kong is just following the trend they see in europe

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

sincx posted:

https://twitter.com/SCMPHongKong/status/1194828788481183745

It seems that Carrie Lam's alma mater needs to strengthen its civil engineering curriculum.

this has to be a false flag right

no one is proud to build a wall that bad, or on camera would spread cement with their hands

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

just compare the literal slop those students are making to the delightful cooking of Brother Pangzai
https://twitter.com/hebeipangzai/status/1193891831848697856?s=20

the peasantry wins again

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

comedyblissoption posted:

actually it was the yellow vest protests in france that caused the hong kong protests

at least if you want to use temporal ordering as a causation

also the gilet jaunes were caused by an increase in fuel/transit fees, which is the same as Ecuador, Chile and Iran at least.

If the Hong Kong protests were explicitly about the cost of living they'd make more sense to include in this comparison.

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/jgriffiths/status/1196259193285689344?s=20

after seeing the students' attempts at building a wall and cooking food, it makes complete sense to me this is their attempt at making an IED

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