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Modest Mao posted:Han are the white people of asia Or rather, Han are the WASPs of China.
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Feb 14, 2019 19:51
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I think the distinction is whether the copied elements are protected under IP law. Outright copying source code and blueprints vs re-creating general product features.
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Mar 8, 2019 05:04
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R. Guyovich posted:the lack of a formal extradition mechanism has meant more abductions, not less Correct, with a formal system China wouldn't have to kidnap Hong Kong booksellers. They would just have the authority to extradite anyone that publishes any anti-CCP material that spreads to the mainland for the crime of "spreading rumors" or "undermining state power". Which may or may not apply to foreigners that pass through a Hong Kong airport
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Jun 12, 2019 20:53
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Grapplejack posted:What? China has said multiple times that they have 're-education centers' for 'terrorists'. An easy mistake to make, the government was officially denying the existence of the 're-education centers' less than a year ago.
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Jun 13, 2019 08:36
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R. Guyovich posted:no they weren't. the dispute was always the nature of the centers, not whether they exist. quote:At a hearing in Geneva on Monday, a 49-strong Chinese delegation met questions from the committee with flat contradiction. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/...7020180813&te=1
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Jun 13, 2019 09:21
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R. Guyovich posted:as i said, state media is a useful barometer of the state's line. unless you think the stories are pure fiction this means there is at least the knowledge of a correct approach and a desire to follow it, if only for appearance's sake. So it demonstrates that the state knows that extrajudicial prison camps are bad, because they aren't bragging or admitting to the things hundreds of eyewitnesses have described. Publicly available local government documents also show bulk orders for things such as cattle prods, which is totally normal in a humane facility Vocational training is nice, but US prisons also teach classes and no one's trying to pretend they're schools. Also, what kind of an economic impact does the average low-income family face when their sole breadwinner is sent to prison for a year or two? Anyway, I apologize earlier for misinterpreting their "no such thing as re-education centers" statement as a denial of their existence
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Jun 14, 2019 01:34
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:The document vox cited comes from claims made by a sketchy group in turkey whose only web presence is a facebook profile. They have never been made publicly available- AFP just claims that they examined them. You cannot see them for yourselves. Unlike the stories western media ran about "social credit" (which ended in favor of the "concentration camp" campaign) that linked to original source documents in mandarin which could plausibly be construed as supporting "social credit." AFP has a bit more web presence than a facebook profile. Would they lie about examining 1500 Chinese documents? You can ask the author of that AFP report if he made anything up, although he works for the NYT now Also the social credit stories never quite stopped, there's still articles being published about it every week. But they're somewhat muddled since China has multiple social credit systems limited to certain regions. je1 healthcare has issued a correction as of 03:50 on Jun 14, 2019 |
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Jun 14, 2019 03:47
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Real hurthling! posted:its good cause it means hk is annoying to xi but its bad cause hong kong is basically rapture from bioshock An unfortunate byproduct of communist oppression is that it tends to traumatize people into becoming hyper-libertarian oppressors, like Ayn Rand.
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Aug 18, 2019 06:55
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uninterrupted posted:chinese dialogue/actors in American movies gets labeled as “pandering” because of anti chinese racism. Does it count as pandering when it's done solely to appease government censors, rather than the viewing public? Because the reaction from Chinese audiences about having stuff shoehorned into Iron Man or Transformers seems to be mixed. Hollywood enters into co-production with Chinese companies to avert the limit on foreign films entering the market, and sometimes the terms of those co-productions require a certain amount of Chinese actors, dialogue, or locations to be recognized as legitimate by the CCP. At least, that's my understanding, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Oct 20, 2019 05:49
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BrokenGameboy posted:So what do we actually know for certain about what's happening in Xinjiang? I don't really care what you call it, but what legitimate primary sources do we have regarding the situation? Sorry for bringing this up again, I'm just annoyed that the only things people pass around are secondary sources like news articles. Many news articles have interviewed current and former residents of Xinjiang, have you started with those?
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Oct 29, 2019 05:03
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Didn't Mao and the CCP repeatedly threaten to invade Hong Kong if the British ever granted them universal suffrage?
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Nov 20, 2019 19:33
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Spergin Morlock posted:I think the US should start executing CEOs occasionally when they deserve it. China gets that one right. This is good but literally only ever happens in China to enrich other CEOs
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Dec 17, 2019 03:43
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Some Guy TT posted:i find it odd how youre acting as if being arbitrarily thrown in jail for a week or two in the united states is an unheard of event and there would be riots in the streets if this were a regular occurence Yeah, the public tends to be pacified when there's some sort of formal charge, or when the prisoner is free to talk to outsiders. If someone vanished for writing an anti-Trump op-ed it would probably cause a fuss. If China's 'administrative detentions' were actually limited to two weeks or less, they would probably be less offensive.
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Mar 18, 2020 05:36
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Rent-A-Cop posted:China and Japan both really love Nazi cosplay. It's a bit understandable, as they're more geographically disconnected from any victims of Nazism and have a less of a grasp on the extent of what Hitler did besides put on flashy parades. I think it was the Israeli embassy had to step in to explain to those students and the school why that was not a cool thing to do. For the same reason cosplaying Japanese imperial soldiers would be super-offensive in asian countries, but not so much in western countries
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May 15, 2020 03:13
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Dumb Lowtax posted:It's more likely that she made up the story. We're kind of in a cold war, and stories about the other side get made up more often than earth shattering infosec stories. If other people can't replicate this event with the same password, that seals the deal.Occams razor. She could be someone running an op. That doesn't make sense, why make up a story that anyone can verify this easily? Only to further validate something which everyone knew, that WeChat is ideologically moderated and insecure.
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Jun 8, 2020 16:41
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Mantis42 posted:more protesters have been murdered by the police during the george floyd protests than during the entire year long hong kong demonstrations Weren't there a whole bunch of mysterious suicides of arrested HK protesters? I don't know how much of that was fake or not
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Jun 15, 2020 20:22
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Throatwarbler posted:Or maybe they're just dumb incompetent spies. Or just run of the mill child rapists like most other middle aged white guys. But then why did it take the Chinese government over a year and a half to file charges after detaining them? The absence of evidence provided, along with denying them consular visits or legal representation seems to indicate that they're not really confident in whatever case they have.
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Jun 29, 2020 19:44
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Typo posted:maybe it's about making it public at exact right time to demonstrate to western working class the perfidy of their government in their naked aggression against socialism? Collecting "state secrets" is a vague enough crime in that the CCP can retroactively apply it to anything, regardless of how public the info was to begin with. Such as any photos containing infrastructure or government buildings. Then there was the last time they detained a Canadian couple in 2014. They seemed shady. they were doing evangelical work in/around North Korea and were in contact with diplomats, and had also been hired by the Chinese government to teach english at a military academy in the 80s. But instead they spent over a year trying to extract a confession, only to release the two without charge, coincidentally at around the same time a Chinese spy was transferred out of Canadian custody and plead guilty in the US. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-canadian-couple-recounts-survival-story-of-their-detention-in-china/ It just seems like a really inefficient counter-espionage process. But maybe the two Michaels are child rapists and the CCP is just keeping that info a secret for some reason
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Jun 29, 2020 20:56
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stephenthinkpad posted:Why has the Canadian legal system held Meng for 2 years and still can't send her to the US? This makes as little sense as the prosecutions of the Canadians. They could send her to the US right away, if Meng agrees to be extradited. But she doesn't, so Canadian courts are holding hearings to determine if the extradition request is valid and not politically motivated, which seems pretty important IMO. Also the charges against her were detailed in the arrest warrant that the US publicly issued months before she got arrested, so there's no mystery to that either. Meanwhile Meng is limited to the boundaries of downtown Vancouver as long as she wears an electronic bracelet. Stairmaster posted:what an oddly racist post Yeah, it would be more accurate to say that Crazy Rich Asians was made for westerners and asian-americans, not necessarily white people. An asian-led romcom is novel in the western film market, not so much in asian film markets
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Jun 30, 2020 14:27
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sum posted:Do you think putting Uighur kids in guarded residential schools is good or bad Um, actually you'll find that the US also put native children in boarding schools, so that makes it okay EDIT: beaten
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Jul 21, 2020 20:50
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When you think about it, what the CCP is doing is *just like* having a korean taco truck on the corner, I don't get why people complain besides anti-Han racism https://news.sky.com/story/the-missing-uighurs-exiled-families-haunted-by-hell-of-chinese-prison-camps-12033475
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Jul 21, 2020 22:11
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It seems more likely that the vandalism was CCP-backed. As they had the greater means and opportunity, and it didn't seem to accomplish anything besides repelling moderates and average Hong Kongers, all while solidifying state media talking points that the protesters don't want increased autonomy, just independence or foreign colonization Also kind of weird that the police were absent for the whole hour.
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Aug 10, 2020 22:08
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thatfatkid posted:Way to project a whole lot of imagined stuff onto my post. Keep in mind, the reason we know about abuses that take place in western prisons is because the inmates are free to talk to journalists and lawyers, a thing which the CCP desperately fights against for what are surely good reasons. It's pretty bad that Guantanamo Bay detainees are given more rights. Most western prisons also have job training and classrooms, but no one is trying to pretend they're actually vocational schools
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Aug 25, 2020 14:37
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Dreddout posted:Uyghurs were exempt from the one child policy and the PRC aggressively promotes affirmative action up to an including requiring xinjiangs governer to be a uyghur. The US government also doesn't impose a one-child restriction on african-americans, and promotes affirmative action, therefore how can they be systematically racist? Unless the solution is for Trump to handpick black people for congressional seats, whom aren't allowed to deviate from his administration in any way and must attend sessions wearing their best traditional african garb. Maybe we can learn from China
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Aug 25, 2020 18:18
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Ferrinus posted:the us government notably doesn't have explicit affirmative action quotas for political office and actually did sterilize and otherwise reproductively repress black people, though. even if we were to take adrien zenz at his word i'm not sure we'd come up with a uyghur situation in china that is worse than the verifiable history + current situation of black people in the states That's a good point, we should withhold our pompous judgement unless they keep doing it for another 150 years
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Aug 25, 2020 19:47
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uninterrupted posted:i mean yes, apparently they did. how many people should the murderous western backed separatists be allowed to murder before a government is allowed to protect its people? I'm pretty sure murder was already illegal in Hong Kong. Why are secret trials now needed to prosecute them?
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Aug 26, 2020 15:53
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huhwhat posted:More often, and even more dangerously, anarchism’s desire to tear down social structures has resulted in anarchists supporting U.S. imperialist narratives against states that anarchists dislike. The 1999 NATO war against Yugoslavian social democracy gained support from anarchists because it was seen as a blow to Stalinist communism. In 2014, when the Western imperialists persuaded one of the co-presidents of the YGP that he would become head of a new state if he were to re-create Kurdistan in Syria, many anarchists cheered on this underhanded project to form anarchist NATO brigades. As the National Endowment for Democracy has incited fascistic and often violent protests in Hong Kong with the purpose of recolonizing the island, anarchists around the world have praised these CIA destabilization efforts as a righteous blow to Chinese “authoritarianism.” Wait when did the NED encourage violence? It's a tactic that only seems to have benefitted the CCP in justifying further crackdowns and disenfranchising the HK public.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:13
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Malkina_ posted:Great post. This reason alone is why I prefer China to win the next Cold War. China is literally the last major country with a functional government somewhat independent of finance-capital (fascism). It’s illustrated quite nicely in this exchange: Please don't base your knowledge of China off of Deus Ex. Or at least play past the first hour to when you get to China and realize that it's independence from the UN is entirely in service of protecting and enriching local tyrants. Finance-capital plays a huge corrupt role in the CCP and much of it's platform is shaped by SOEs and the politicians that have massive financial stakes in them
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Aug 28, 2020 18:55
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sincx posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1321477129968693248 I don't think you can apply for refugee status at a US consulate, you have to get to US soil first.
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Oct 30, 2020 09:21
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stephenthinkpad posted:We are moving from the major countries of the world beating up their own Muslim "terrorist groups" back to funding each other's Muslim "freedom fighters". The NED page mentions four Uyghur groups that they're funding. Are any of them behind any terrorist attacks?
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Dec 11, 2020 01:38
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Chomskyan posted:“Freedom of navigation” is a phrase the US has been using for a while now, since atleast around the time of Obama and the “pivot to Asia”. I suppose the US is trying to say that it won’t tolerate Chinese policing of naval traffic the South China Sea. Since that is in their eyes, a right reserved only for the US It's not so much the naval traffic that the US (most of southeast asia) refers to, but China's act of constructing artificial islands, planting military bases on them, and then claiming the radius of surrounding waters as Chinese territory. Which is the rationale they now use to claim almost the entire South China Sea as Chinese territory. I'm pretty sure anyone would take issue with someone building a base 20 km off the coast of their country and making overlapping territorial claims In retaliation for the US "freedom of navigation" patrols, China sent a couple of warships about 12 nautical miles off the coast of Alaska. But no one gave a poo poo, because they were in international waters.
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Feb 7, 2021 03:57
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KaptainKrunk posted:france has a bigger EEZ than china lol France got to lay claim to Vietnamese territory, it's China's turn.
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Feb 7, 2021 04:40
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....because they've succeeded in forcefully driving out all other claimants in the past decade, whereas the previous status quo had fishermen of different nationalities having to just share the waters and atolls. What was previously a bunch of squabbles has been resolved with the construction of 7 new Chinese bases in the south china sea. China's moved onto harassing Vietnamese and Philippine fishermen and oil drillers in operating in their own respective EEZs
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Feb 7, 2021 05:18
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stephenthinkpad posted:The reinforced islands are entirely designed against the US military power in the SCS, because China doesn't need these islands to protect her fishing and oil drilling claims against Vietnam and Philippines. Keep in mind the US doesn't have any territorial claim in the SCS. Keep in mind that China's idea of "compromise" is that they will allow Vietnam to drill in their own EEZ unmolested by the Chinese navy, as long as they share the profits with a Chinese state company. The same is true for fishing, if other countries don't want Chinese coastguard vessels harassing local fisherman in their own territory they can simply sell fishing rights to the Chinese fishing fleets that are already pillaging their waters, and hey problem solved, they're now free to take whatever scraps are left. You can see how that worked for North Korea Though it's weird that you're knocking the USA for not putting more military resources in the region prior to China forcing out all other fisherman and building bases on top of the atolls and reefs. If it was China's intent to use the bases to reduce American naval presence in the SCS, their actions seemed to have the opposite effect.
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Feb 7, 2021 22:23
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KaptainKrunk posted:do we have any primary source evidence of the nature of the camps that doesn't come from Zenz, interviews with the same 6 dissidents (that have substantially changed their story) or the very sketch Xinjiang Victims Database? AFP uncovered bulk orders of tazers, handcuffs, and spiked batons going to the camps. You know, normal school supplies: https://www.afp.com/en/inside-chinas-internment-camps-tear-gas-tasers-and-textbooks Buzzfeed interviewed 28 former detainees: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alison_killing/china-ex-prisoners-horrors-xinjiang-camps-uighurs CNN interviews a former camp teacher on the systemic abuses witnessed: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/09/asia/xinjiang-china-kazakhstan-detention-intl/index.html
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Feb 9, 2021 20:28
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KaptainKrunk posted:So Buzzfeed, CNN, and AFP? Stalwarts of objectivity. Alrighty, which media outlets do you feel fit that description?
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Feb 9, 2021 20:35
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KaptainKrunk posted:Sure. My point wasn't to trust those sources wholeheartedly; it was just that there isn't a preponderance of evidence to make judgments about the facilities, and we've yet to see any independent reporting with serious credibility. All we have are people from organizations known to propagate propaganda echoing the same lackluster source base over and over again. I linked to three different outlets using dozens of different sources. Are the interview subjects all lying, or are the outlets fabricating their responses entirely? When the AFP claims to have found public Chinese government documents detailing invoices for bulk orders of torture equipment, did they make it all up?
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Feb 9, 2021 21:23
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KaptainKrunk posted:Grayzone, Intercept, truly independent organizations without a dog in the fight, Marxist news outlets or journals with serious credentials of anti-imperialism who aren't concern trolling or using whatever is happening there for geopolitical ends. Ok, I found some Intercept articles about Xinjiang's programs. The second interview specifies that there's actually four different types of re-education camps with varying levels of access and abuse: https://theintercept.com/2021/01/29/china-uyghur-muslim-surveillance-police/ https://theintercept.com/2019/12/29/why-dont-we-care-about-chinas-uighur-muslims/
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Feb 9, 2021 22:19
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KaptainKrunk posted:The first article is pretty good, but not out of line with what we know about China more generally. The second one is mostly an interview with Mehdi Hasan (lol) by someone from the Uyghur American Association, an NED-funded, US-based organization...so yeah. So I guess the Intercept can now be removed from the "doesn't publish American propaganda" list?
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Feb 9, 2021 23:25
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Lostconfused posted:Did you not read any of the other posts here or something lol? It just seems like somewhat circular logic. We can only trust certain outlets to not fabricate stories of abuse in Xinjiang, but in they event that they *do* publish anything confirming it, it must also have been fabricated. Why did the Intercept side with America's geopolical agenda on just this one issue, but not others?
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Feb 10, 2021 00:10
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