Forceholy posted:

I wonder if Express and Astrill will have to have servers in Beijing and Shanghai to give Chinese folk abroad access to Tiktok and other Chinese services.

rudatron posted:

There's no meat to address. China desperately trying to save face can't be interpreted as any real conviction to racial justice, nor can the the country with the one of if not the highest foreign-born percentage of the population be accurately described as 'fascist racist', in anything but the most histrionic of fever dreams.

rudatron posted:

Exactly which US law allows the arbitrary detainment based on ethnicity? You know, like what China is doing right now.

genericnick posted:

Well if you look at the Chinese constitution you will find that minority rights are in fact guaranteed, so no discrimination can be happening. Check and mate.

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/akhivae/status/1317246816757440518

tired: asian countries lie about inventing things as a form of cultural propaganda

wired: asian countries try to make me eat ketchup as a form of cultural propaganda

stephenthinkpad posted:

I think this topic belongs here. I have rewatched news/commentaries from 16 and 17 recently. Watching the entire North Korea missile crisis unfold in a short span gave me a different prospective. I think the entire crisis was engineered by Putin. The missiles Kim shot in the 16 and 17 were really accurate and could always test successfully on schedule at specific dates to send important political messages. It's rumored that Russians directly send their own rocket engines to NK via train.

If you look at the shouting Marches between Trump and Kim, you could sense some carelessness. In other words, Trump was in on the game and knew it was a wrestling show. Remember Trump and Putin had a secret 1 hour meeting right after Trump became president?

Now look at it from Putin's angle, why would he do it? Because Trump is his loving guy, he wanted to orchestrate a nuclear missile crisis and have them sign a treaty. Trump will get tons of political capital for reelection.

From Trump's angle, his master plan was play up the crisis with NK, ultimately sign a nuclear treaty in 18 and immidiately launch a trade war with China, play it all the way to reelection. This fits Trump's MO of no hot wars.

From fat Kim's angle, of course he was willing to be the chess piece if it meant he could learn the missile technology from Russian engine. And he would get extra leverage against China. Driving a wedge between NK and China was also a Russian goal.

From China's prospective. The relationship between NK and China was really bad during 16 and 17. I think Kim executed a couple officials who was tasked to talk to the Chinese envoy. Anyway China's play was telling US "look we can't control this mad dog, don't pressure us to the contain him. Sorry we tried. "

I think the twist is the US diplomatic establisent KNEW Trump was in on the game. So what happened was they did their parts to disrupt the peace deal during the 2nd Trump and Kim meet. Trump's lawyer's scandal blew up at that time.

Also the official version of why Trump walked away from the deal was that Bannon and other Trump goons demand NK totally destroy their nuclear capability before they sign a deal. I think this can't be the whole story. Reason 1, S Korea told Kim as long as he went to Vietnam and blow up one of the nuclear facility, he would get a deal. Kim supposedly called Moon a couple times during his train trip to confirm it. Now why would the South Koreans promise that unless they got the message from the Americans? Reason 2, the nuclear deal Obama signed with Iran was a soft deal. It was a "freeze" deal not total destruction of nuclear facilities. So Trump didn't need to get a super strict deal signed to get his Nobel Prize.

However something happened and it made Trump abruptly walked out on Kim. And Kim pivoted hard to China afterward. I will go thru all the 18 19 news first before I comment on the remaining story.

comedyblissoption posted:

or that one time he expanded the suspension of habeas corpus rights from guantanamo to american citizens in general lol

Trash Ops posted:

https://twitter.com/lokinhei/status/1254404460383621120?s=20

Mantis42 posted:

Even if you believe erroneously that the party has fallen to Capitalist roaders, they still administer a country where the average citizen studies Marx in school, there is no stigma surrounding Communism, and there is a real expectation of rapid material change resulting from state action. The PRC has not succumbed to Capitalist Realism, they still exist in the realm of possible politics, and when marketization eventually falters, when the rate of profit falls as it must, and China reaches it's zenith of development, it's the only society I can see escape the gravity of neoliberalism. Face it kid, all possible paths to a Socialist future lie with Chinese hegemony.

Rabelais D posted:

That's true but while the American Dream is to become a land baron and exploit your tenants I would have hoped the Chinese Dream could be something better

Rabelais D posted:

Yes it's definitely a tier 1 thing to be fair. I would actually really like to work in a university in a tier three or, heaven forbid, a tier four city where the air quality is good and things are affordable.

Throatwarbler posted:

Hey guys remember how 90% of households in China own their own homes and 100% of rural households own their homes and land because the communists put landlords in ditches 50 years ago and redistributed the land to the peasants

stephenthinkpad posted:

GDP has a measurement standard only (kind of) work on sufficiently capitalist economies. All the other non capitalist models of economy have not monetized most of their national and nature resources, therefore their "GDP numbers" are undervalued. Even inside ASEAN countries right now, some of the Indochina countries have not monetized enough of their resources.

Varinn posted:

https://twitter.com/EmilyZFeng/status/1330698423935279105

incredible work from the geniuses at npr

https://twitter.com/EmilyZFeng/status/1331219115256680450?s=20

indigi posted:

$2 billion to bail out an entire country seems like a steal

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

also the kicker is great. we're going to have to deal with a decade of these emo pieces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVTXPUF4Oz4

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/BadChinaTake/status/1336535161652043776

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/Kate_OKeeffe/status/1336745328612171778

ToxicAcne posted:

I want to call this Orientalism but it's worse than that. The Orientalists that Said talks about at least knew Arabic or Farsi.

sincx posted:

lol @ all these "china experts" who are, at the end of the day, admitting that they aren't good enough to learn Chinese hahaha

get good or with the english teachers

Grapplejack posted:

chinese is like one of the most difficult languages in the world to learn

if it's your job though gently caress you you don't have an excuse but I do not fault regular people for being scared away by it

Magna Kaser posted:

you probably don't need to be fluent in chinese for most reporting/writing stuff if you're doing the research most "china watchers" are doing, you just get good translations and should link back to those. it's only really egregious if you're like, supposedly an expert the language itself or smth. translating documents and actually analyzing them are p different skillsets tbh. should have good people doing both.

im not saying the certain people in this convo don't deserve to get dragged for myriad other reasons or lovely attitudes i just personally don't think you actually need chinese fluency in 2020 to report about china.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Magna Kaser posted:

you should have some competency but like idk i see kind of a ridic standard where some people who are pretty good in written chinese mispronounce like 2 words in chinese during a 10 minute talk and get leapt on with how they're huge fakers who need to quit their jobs. at the same time there's lots of specialized language someone may or may not know which means they aren't "fluent" but at the same time good enough in their field that they can be clueless about like, jargon for investing or pharmaceuticals.

Hedenius posted:

My wife works for a big Chinese company and when one of her colleagues were going to some conference in the US he asked her were you could buy a good bulletproof west. It took several days to convince him that you didn’t need one to meet a bunch of science dorks in a convention center.

human garbage bag posted:

Thanks. I was looking for ammo against left-leaning folks criticizing the US's immigration policy.

VideoTapir posted:

Met a guy who had it. Said that he has to go through the same 90 minute "what is this? no I need your shenfenzheng or visa" routine pretty much every time he would need to show his passport.

Magna Kaser posted:

idk I don't pay attention to any "xx watchers" so it wouldn't surprise me, lol.

But my main thing was I dunno if "fluency" is required cuz thats such a weird word that no two people have the same definition of. There's a lot of technical jargon some people don't know and have to use translations for esp when reporting in another language.

Like if you're reporting on China's covid response and can read everyday or even specialized Chinese about policy or whatever but don't know any specialized medical language I think it's fair to get a translation or in-Chinese help for like academic studies of efficacy of vaccines to make sure your reporting is correct, esp. wrt terminology. however its also important to explain where those translations are/what they are cuz this is where a lot of mistakes can happen.

again my main thing was I've seen people try to discredit people with dece to good chinese cuz they make random spoken mistakes or minor typos, which seems p unfair? i'm not trying to defend any people who don't know any chinese and have no desire to learn any despite having jobs to report on the place for major organizations.

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1338315951683624961?s=19

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VideoTapir posted:

Residency. 'china green card'

I can't recall i think the card may have even said that on it.