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Apr 18, 2019 04:30
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Low Desert Punk posted:Bryan actually makes a correct movie reference on F4D If it was Big Lebowski it doesn't count. That seems to be the only one he knows.
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Apr 18, 2019 04:45
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It was way less recent than that.
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Apr 18, 2019 05:13
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What if Dave was secretly made to be Vince's phylactery?
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Apr 18, 2019 05:35
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SatoshiMiwa posted:What if Dave was secretly made to be Vince's phylactery? Isn't that how Harry Potter ended?
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Apr 18, 2019 05:38
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Suplex Liberace posted:Some nights I have nightmares about a post meltzer wrestling landscape.
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Apr 18, 2019 07:02
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I'll just miss him because he's a hell of a character and he makes the world a more interesting place by being in it v v
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Apr 18, 2019 07:09
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f4w is the only newz/scoops site i visit/listen to so hell if dave dies it'll suck a lot for me
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Apr 18, 2019 07:44
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davidbix posted:Is it really *that* big a deal anymore? Yeah, he'd leave a big void. But more people are doing good reporting on wrestling than ever before. Dave has certain sourcing and historical context that most don't, but I think we've reached the point where he won't leave as big a void, coverage-wise, as he would have a decade or so ago, during the period after Wade stopped doing week to week reporting, Alvarez did the same/seemingly lost his sources, and others hadn't stepped up yet. And hopefully Dave not reporting on wrestling anymore would mean less in the way of people copying his bad habits. I'm terrified of losing any historian as knowledgeable as Dave in any field, especially when he has papers that will not be saved
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Apr 18, 2019 08:41
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Dave is also just an enjoyable podcast personality, I wouldn't wanna miss him.
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Apr 18, 2019 09:11
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One day somebody will convince Dave to digitize all his papers and put them onto hard drives, which he will then spill all over his floor and walk through every time he moves from his desk.
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Apr 18, 2019 09:36
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Jerusalem posted:One day somebody will convince Dave to digitize all his papers and put them onto hard drives, which he will then spill all over his floor and walk through every time he moves from his desk. It’ll look like the black hole picture hard drives
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Apr 18, 2019 11:44
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davidbix posted:Is it really *that* big a deal anymore? Yeah, he'd leave a big void. But more people are doing good reporting on wrestling than ever before. Dave has certain sourcing and historical context that most don't, but I think we've reached the point where he won't leave as big a void, coverage-wise, as he would have a decade or so ago, during the period after Wade stopped doing week to week reporting, Alvarez did the same/seemingly lost his sources, and others hadn't stepped up yet. And hopefully Dave not reporting on wrestling anymore would mean less in the way of people copying his bad habits. I think it is. Random weekly posts on blogs and scoops on twitter and other things are not a good enough replacement for week-to-week news and long term analysis. People rightfully rip on the F4 website for being weird and old, but I can find Dave Meltzer's writing on wrestling history from 1986 all the way through 2019. The web being what it is, these blogs get re-sold to multiple owners and all the old content purged, most of it not saved by a wayback machine. Tweets can be deleted and are poo poo regardless. Yeah, other people besides Dave get the scoops now, but few of them actually seem interested in any deeper analysis besides the scoops (you excluded of course) and even more importantly, preserving the journalism they create so that it's available in the future so that things like Between the Sheets can exist.
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Apr 18, 2019 12:35
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There is nobody to replace Dave, there is no-one with his mixture of knowledge, pedigree, gravitas and just plain weirdness to do his job. Someone might have better current contacts but no-one has his track record. He's been doing the job so long, that his star ratings have effectively become the definitive mark for a match, despite the man himself repeatedly saying they are just one mans opinion. Maybe you could Moneyball up a replacement for Dave in aggregate but it wouldn't last. If he worked politics or more respectable sport he'd be a world famous figure. He's one of gods own prototypes.
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Apr 18, 2019 12:51
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Smoking Crow posted:I'm terrified of losing any historian as knowledgeable as Dave in any field, especially when he has papers that will not be saved Dave's scoops are bottom of the list of why I'll be sad.
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Apr 18, 2019 12:53
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Meltzer is the Huell Howser of pro wrestling.
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Apr 18, 2019 13:18
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davidbix posted:Is it really *that* big a deal anymore? Yeah, he'd leave a big void. But more people are doing good reporting on wrestling than ever before. Dave has certain sourcing and historical context that most don't, but I think we've reached the point where he won't leave as big a void, coverage-wise, as he would have a decade or so ago, during the period after Wade stopped doing week to week reporting, Alvarez did the same/seemingly lost his sources, and others hadn't stepped up yet. And hopefully Dave not reporting on wrestling anymore would mean less in the way of people copying his bad habits. I'm not really worried about losing Dave as a journalist but I think it would be a big blow to lose him as a historian. I don't know who else has the historical knowledge he does.
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Apr 18, 2019 13:34
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Smoking Crow posted:I'm terrified of losing any historian as knowledgeable as Dave in any field, especially when he has papers that will not be saved Someone's goings to save the papers, I'd think
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Apr 18, 2019 15:23
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Rovert and The Fray Movement will battle on meltzer's front lawn for control of his treasures
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Apr 18, 2019 15:31
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Meltzer has at least 20 more years, he's not dying today you weirdos.
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Apr 18, 2019 16:58
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Doesn't Meltzer work out every time he's bored with RAW? He'll be alive forever.
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Apr 18, 2019 18:45
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Gonzo McFee posted:Doesn't Meltzer work out every time he's bored with RAW? He'll be alive forever. He hurt his finger and has been limited in his workouts since, thus we’re all concerned.
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Apr 18, 2019 18:50
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I do agree with the sentiment that not having a collected "go to" collection of reportage will probably hurt, even if it's never the full story.Smoking Crow posted:I'm terrified of losing any historian as knowledgeable as Dave in any field, especially when he has papers that will not be saved
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Apr 18, 2019 19:03
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davidbix posted:I do agree with the sentiment that not having a collected "go to" collection of reportage will probably hurt, even if it's never the full story. wives are the worst always "cleaning" the mancave and whatnot
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Apr 18, 2019 19:32
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Women, am I right?
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Apr 18, 2019 19:35
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the floor is not a filing system dave
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Apr 18, 2019 19:36
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davidbix posted:I do agree with the sentiment that not having a collected "go to" collection of reportage will probably hurt, even if it's never the full story. this is upsetting me more than i think it should.
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Apr 18, 2019 20:24
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lol Dave owns
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Apr 18, 2019 22:02
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the floor is not a filing system dave that's why he has the shed
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Apr 18, 2019 22:04
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It’s the big one; it’s the Sidewalk Slam for Wrestlemania for 2019!
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Apr 18, 2019 23:45
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davidbix posted:I do agree with the sentiment that not having a collected "go to" collection of reportage will probably hurt, even if it's never the full story. Was this before or after she hung the Beatles poster on his wall
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Apr 19, 2019 03:18
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Suplex Liberace posted:this is upsetting me more than i think it should.
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Apr 19, 2019 03:26
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Speaking of Meltzer, I wanted to read his newsletter from the week of the Benoit tragedy but there are no WONs on his site from 2017 at all (aside from the Figure 4 Dailies.) Did Dave just not publish the Observer in 2007?
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Apr 19, 2019 03:30
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fart blood posted:Speaking of Meltzer, I wanted to read his newsletter from the week of the Benoit tragedy but there are no WONs on his site from 2017 at all (aside from the Figure 4 Dailies.) Did Dave just not publish the Observer in 2007? They put old issues up weekly and are up to 2002. So there's no pre 1991 (barring a few issues) and no April 2002-June 2008 issues on the site.
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Apr 19, 2019 03:31
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MassRafTer posted:They put old issues up weekly and are up to 2002. So there's no pre 1991 (barring a few issues) and no April 2002-June 2008 issues on the site. Oh ok thank you sir I like your hair and your podcast
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Apr 19, 2019 03:44
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fart blood posted:Oh ok thank you sir I like your hair and your podcast You are welcome and have good taste.
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Apr 19, 2019 03:47
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If you're interested in Montreal, Jim goes over it on the experience this week. He allegedly tells a story he's never told before about it too. He may have Dave on next week to talk more.
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Apr 19, 2019 03:54
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MassRafTer posted:You are welcome and have good taste. Another question: if they’re up to 2002 for old issues, how come there’s nothing pre-1991?
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Apr 19, 2019 04:05
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the real reason is that they are saving it for when the newer stuff is caught up to the present
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Apr 19, 2019 04:16
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does anyone have any experience getting physical copies of the observer from dave? I love reading the newsletter every week and it'd be neat to have physical copies
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Apr 19, 2019 04:32
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