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St Evan Echoes posted:Anyone else just dread hearing Dave talking about a rape victim? Without hyperbole- how he handles this is going to determine if I keep paying for his content
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He waffled a lot and tried not to say anything that would get people mad, because he knows that he’s very bad at this
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To be fair, there's not really anything to say about Enzo than "he's been accused of a thing, if he's guilty he should go to jail for the rest of his life" Well, except Dave would add a few 'y'know...rape...it's a bad thing.." type sentences in the middle of there.
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Dave doesn’t really get the benefit of the doubt ever since he said something really dismissive like “Women, what can I say?” wrt domestic abuse allegations against Honma (I think?) He might have said lovely things before then but it seems to me that’s when he started getting cagey and defensive over that kind of thing
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hmm i don't remember that
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Raskolnikov38 posted:congrats to RAINN for their upcoming $100 donation from one bryan alvarez bryan is such an idiot
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Yeah that was pretty stupid of Bryan in more ways than one.
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Jan 23, 2018 22:03
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Did he say something stupid on Observer Live?
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Jan 23, 2018 22:06
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he bet mike $100 that WWE would rehire enzo if he was found innocent
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That sounds like something the WWE would definitely do.
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They've completely scrubbed Enzo from the website, including his profile. He's super gone.
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Do Dave and Bryan not have someone close to them to tell them to shut the gently caress up with these takes?
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Even if Enzo was found not guilty, they're not rehiring a guy who hid rape charges from them.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:he bet mike $100 that WWE would rehire enzo if he was found innocent Malcolm Excellent posted:That sounds like something the Bryan Alvarez would definitely do.
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mkay0 posted:Do Dave and Bryan not have someone close to them to tell them to shut the gently caress up with these takes? WOL has Producer Dom but the podcasts are just them.
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Malcolm Excellent posted:That sounds like something the WWE would definitely do.
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mkay0 posted:Do Dave and Bryan not have someone close to them to tell them to shut the gently caress up with these takes? At first I was like "I would do this poo poo for free" but then I rememberer Dave and Bryan both are pretty fuckin stubborn about poo poo that I don't think they could draw up the funds to afford my time.
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Super No Vacancy posted:hmm i don't remember that It happened
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VJeff posted:They've completely scrubbed Enzo from the website, including his profile. He's super gone. Was Hogan also super gone, and then they were trying to get him for Raw 25? I can't remember.
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Lone Goat posted:Was Hogan also super gone, and then they were trying to get him for Raw 25? I can't remember. If I remember right, there was a brief period where a couple of unofficial comments were made (by HHH?) that seemed like they were testing waters to see what the reaction to a Hogan return would be, and then suddenly they just shut up entirely about it. Which makes me figure that at least one sponsor told them,"Hire back Hogan and you lose our sponsorship."
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In the modern climate for that sort of thing, WWE are going to have to wait a long goddamn time/forever to bring Hogan back if they want to avoid a loud public backlash.
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Jerusalem posted:If I remember right, there was a brief period where a couple of unofficial comments were made (by HHH?) that seemed like they were testing waters to see what the reaction to a Hogan return would be, and then suddenly they just shut up entirely about it. Which makes me figure that at least one sponsor told them,"Hire back Hogan and you lose our sponsorship." I'm actually surprised they let AJ do the '"WELL YA KNOW SOMETHIN MEAN GENE", to be honest. Especially when the Flair angle is right there and you could maybe even have had Ric show up at the end of the promo and shake AJ's hand, make some kind of winking reference to being his old mentor or something.
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I’m confused why WWE would consider it at all. It would pop a building/rating once, then what? He doesn’t do anything. He forgot his lines in nearly every promo on his last run. As far as risk versus reward, why is it even being debated?
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I'm trying to imagine what worth Hogan has as a draw to counteract his unbelievably negative public profile. If you're gonna spend a bunch of money to bring back an old guy to get a big pop just get Bret or Flair or loving Terry Funk instead and avoid all the backlash. Maybe I'm off base here but I can't imagine Hogan drawing enough revenue to justify a salary, much less the risk of alienating sponsors, viewers, and shareholders.
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mkay0 posted:I’m confused why WWE would consider it at all. It would pop a building/rating once, then what? He doesn’t do anything. He forgot his lines in nearly every promo on his last run. As far as risk versus reward, why is it even being debated? all wwe has to offer now is empty nostalgia
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mkay0 posted:I’m confused why WWE would consider it at all. It would pop a building/rating once, then what? He doesn’t do anything. He forgot his lines in nearly every promo on his last run. As far as risk versus reward, why is it even being debated? I'm pretty sure even today you could make a fair bit of money from Hogan merchandise and mine the deep well of content/moments they have from his many, many, many years at the utter top of wrestling both in WWF and WCW. Having him under contract for the odd appearance here or there would just make all that a little easier. But as has been said, they can forget that idea because no sponsor is gonna want to run the risk of the media asking them why they sponsor a company that supports a racist.
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Karmine posted:I'm trying to imagine what worth Hogan has as a draw to counteract his unbelievably negative public profile. If you're gonna spend a bunch of money to bring back an old guy to get a big pop just get Bret or Flair or loving Terry Funk instead and avoid all the backlash. His shop in Orlando is doing very good business by all accounts and wrestling has a long history of welcoming back and forgiving nearly everything
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Hogan will be back a month after tape of Trump saying the N word drops.
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mkay0 posted:I’m confused why WWE would consider it at all. It would pop a building/rating once, then what? He doesn’t do anything. He forgot his lines in nearly every promo on his last run. As far as risk versus reward, why is it even being debated? This is the thing that I've never been able to figure out. I've heard so much about how Hogan should be forgiven and brought back and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what actual value he brings today that justifies bringing him back.
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Did Hogan get his money from the Gawker verdict or is that all still wrapped up in liquidation hell?
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coconono posted:At first I was like "I would do this poo poo for free" but then I rememberer Dave and Bryan both are pretty fuckin stubborn about poo poo that I don't think they could draw up the funds to afford my time. I've talked to Bryan a couple of times and he's actually not stubborn about this type of stuff at all and is a genuinely good dude AFAIK
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Jerusalem posted:Did Hogan get his money from the Gawker verdict or is that all still wrapped up in liquidation hell? I'm pretty sure he got most of it once Univision bought Gawker, enough for him to be living a pretty comfortable existence if his Twitter is any indication VJeff posted:This is the thing that I've never been able to figure out. I've heard so much about how Hogan should be forgiven and brought back and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what actual value he brings today that justifies bringing him back. 95% of the old people brought back at RAW25 were there for 'nostalgia pop + maybe sell a t-shirt' and there's plenty of money to be made with a new batch of official Hogan merchandise, the ESPN/WWE documentary about his redemption arc the last few years, and of course getting more Network subs by putting the Hogan feature film catalog up for streaming I have to imagine the only reason Hogan isn't making appearances (he has been on some of their commercials lately in brief spots) is that Mattel or one of the other big sponsors is adamantly against it.
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Jerusalem posted:I love how often Bryan has to explain he has a gimmick for his radio shows. well duh he's gotta sleep sometime
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Lol if you get worked by Alvarez’s radio gimmick. Semp on the other hand is probably a pub bore irl
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MassRafTer posted:Hogan will be back a month after tape of Trump saying the N word drops. Coincidentally that's exactly when the build-up for the battle of the self-labeled billionaires 2 begins
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CubsWoo posted:His shop in Orlando is doing very good business by all accounts and wrestling has a long history of welcoming back and forgiving nearly everything Absolutely true, but what money does WWE stand to make off of Hogan coming back as, say, GM of raw? He can't do matches, he'd be poo poo on commentary, so it's about the best you can get out of him. I obviously don't dare to try and think like Vince McMahon does but putting myself in his shoes the risk vs reward calculation on this one seems pretty imbalanced. Vince is gonna Vince. The motherfucker is liquidating shares to reenact his most public and gigantic blunder of all time so for all I know he could bring Hulk back and have him do skits with the New Day about whether or not it's ok for white people to say "brother."
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I think the idea would be more that he'd be on a Legends Contract (probably a better one than most, given he's Hulk Hogan) and then in addition to being able to exploit all their video resources and merchandising options, they could bring him out every so often for an easy pop, a quick skit and then off he goes. Again, all this is a moot point, because he's basically poison to them at the moment as far as their sponsors are concerned. But they'd absolutely bring him back in a second if they thought nobody (important) was going to make a fuss.
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I thought Dave had a very astute analysis of why it is even trickier to bring Hogan back than the sponsors. Some of the value in bringing Hogan back is to have him as a brand ambassador. You can't just give him a legends deal, he can make more elsewhere. But if you give him the type of deal he'd want, you need to justify it and you'd make him a brand ambassador. But what's the value of a brand ambassador if every time he's representing your brand people ask him about the time he said the N word during a sex tape?
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