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my two cents is that in wrestling how much something would actually really hurt is less important that how much it immediately looks like it would hurt, and mic shots never look like they should put someone down
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The mic toss looked less painful than maki’s shots.
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Apr 6, 2021 13:35
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Proper wireless mics are heavy as poo poo
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Apr 6, 2021 13:48
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jesus WEP posted:my two cents is that in wrestling how much something would actually really hurt is less important that how much it immediately looks like it would hurt, and mic shots never look like they should put someone down Agreed. And if the problem with mic shots is they always look weak but always hurt like hell, they shouldn't be doing them; that's exactly the opposite of the look-to-pain ratio you want.
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Apr 6, 2021 14:30
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Lamuella posted:Chris Champion. Reliable wrestler who is really only known for work he did under a gimmick. Was half of The New Breed in the original FCW, and was Kowabunga The Wrestling Turtle for CWA/USWA. Also briefly in a tag team called The SS, which asks more questions than it answers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpXyGaVDeIc
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Apr 6, 2021 15:25
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Listening to Dave talk about AEW booking and he says that WWE has the 'better looking show'. He's entitled to his opinion but if he's talking about thunderdome and the gigantic CGI dog and the alexa bliss balloon and the repurposed-from-bobby-roode birds that come out when Matt Riddle flips off his sandal.... Hard disagree.
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Apr 6, 2021 17:11
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reignofevil posted:Listening to Dave talk about AEW booking and he says that WWE has the 'better looking show'. He's entitled to his opinion but if he's talking about thunderdome and the gigantic CGI dog and the alexa bliss balloon and the repurposed-from-bobby-roode birds that come out when Matt Riddle flips off his sandal.... Hard disagree. I do agree in some aspects of this tbh. To your average viewer I'm sure WWE looks way better in terms of production value. WWE also use better cameras for entrances and stuff. They can change the lighting in the arena in cool ways with the screens IF THEY WANT TO (the fans on the screens look terrible and always will though).
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Apr 6, 2021 17:23
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Dave's AEW argument that "too many people" are featured is a poorly focused one to me - I haven't walked away from an episode confused about what the takeaways from each episode were. Really, the only parts for me which are growing old are the Omega/Mox story (which I felt like should've moved to Omega/Kingston), and Jade/Red Velvet.
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Apr 6, 2021 17:25
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There is no universe where the WWE product looks better than the AEW one. The dumb screens and the nauseating camerawork alone seal that particular deal for me.
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Apr 6, 2021 17:43
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I just hope for some explanations for his thoughts.
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Apr 6, 2021 17:46
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When he pointed out that Jungle Boy had that awesome match with FTR bald and he was the talk of the town and then just kinda faded into the background again. I, uh, dunno. Kind of a good point. I at least thought we'd get a big blow off between FTR and Jurassic Express but the blow off to that was a 6 man with Tully and now FTR is feuding with Proud and Powerful. I dunno. I wasnt thinking about it before but. Dave was kinda making some good points.
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Apr 6, 2021 17:51
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MJeff posted:When he pointed out that Jungle Boy had that awesome match with FTR bald and he was the talk of the town and then just kinda faded into the background again. Please don't call him FTR Bald please call him by his real name Perry Saturn.
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Apr 6, 2021 17:52
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MJeff posted:When he pointed out that Jungle Boy had that awesome match with FTR bald and he was the talk of the town and then just kinda faded into the background again. I mean, Jungle Boy is ranked #3, above PAC. He's absolutely on a shortlist of challengers for Kenny, I wouldn't be surprised to see it at Fyter Fest.
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Apr 6, 2021 17:54
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Pylons posted:I mean, Jungle Boy is ranked #3, above PAC. He's absolutely on a shortlist of challengers for Kenny, I wouldn't be surprised to see it at Fyter Fest. I don't think it will happen but I would love to see Jungle Boy get an upset over Christian and then Hangman and be the Double or Nothing challenger.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:06
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Dave is old Old people like WWE Dave likes WWE
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Apr 6, 2021 18:21
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AEW definitely has an issues of either dragging feuds on too long or not giving a satisfying end to feuds and it's something they will need to work on to get young guys up to super star level
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Apr 6, 2021 18:24
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AEW is too fast paced for old man Dave.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:28
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I think Daves point of view is that historically, wrestling is a star driven industry. AEW needs to take 3-5 of their hottest prospects and push them like mad and see if any of them catch fire, rather than try and give everyone something to do. So I think he’d prefer if Hangman and Jungle Boy (for example) were given dominant runs that result in big singles matches and you try and judge who gets over, then push those dudes harder. Atm AEW are doing cool storytelling and letting everyone get a bit of shine, but traditionally that doesn’t pull in more viewers and I think Dave thinks that has to be the priority.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:38
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MJeff posted:When he pointed out that Jungle Boy had that awesome match with FTR bald and he was the talk of the town and then just kinda faded into the background again. It's always possible to tighten stuff up, but to me it's like McDonald's versus a 18 course dinner at a fancy restaurant. McDonalds is going to be McDonalds but even if I forget the 6th course of my fancy dinner I remember liking it when I was eating it. This might be a dumb analogy.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:40
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Get Hangman to drink with Ernie and Charles on inside the NBA a few times a month.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:44
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HidaO-Win posted:I think Daves point of view is that historically, wrestling is a star driven industry. AEW needs to take 3-5 of their hottest prospects and push them like mad and see if any of them catch fire, rather than try and give everyone something to do. Nothing is going to get over right now without huge crowd energy. I do think the right move right now is making everyone look good so they have a wealth of prospects to choose from when they can start touring again.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:44
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AEW's problems are largely logistics stuff that every wrestling company faces, imo
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Apr 6, 2021 18:45
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HidaO-Win posted:I think Daves point of view is that historically, wrestling is a star driven industry. Well that’s on Dave then for not giving Rosa/Britt 5 stars
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Apr 6, 2021 18:51
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I'm sure to casual or new fans WWE probably does look better at first. It's a crisper more cleanly produced show, their pyro is bigger and better, the led boards and thunderdome screens everywhere make it look more expensive and thus better/more important. But a lot of that stuff starts to look really awful after watching even a few shows, not to mention the bad production choices like the camera work and the crispy Roman and Riddle birds cgi things.
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Apr 6, 2021 19:00
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A casual viewer was once recreated in a lab to study their behavior but quickly destabilized and vaporized within microseconds
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Apr 6, 2021 19:03
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Pylons posted:Nothing is going to get over right now without huge crowd energy. I do think the right move right now is making everyone look good so they have a wealth of prospects to choose from when they can start touring again. Ding ding ding. Perfect post. Dave’s got very valid points. Matter of fact, I agree with many of them but he’s hashing these points out in a very different environment today. So, roster bloat is real. It’s very real. Kurt Angle coming in like, ITS drat REAL. There are 80+ known signed talents. There are over 20 more that are fully signed that are not announced. There are 2 hours of weekly programming for the average aged wrestling viewer (54 years old) to follow these talents and see who is who. This past year was an experiment for wrestling and just because one rating says this and that, has very little value to what things will look like at the end of 2021, assuming crowds come back. Also, we never get the overall ratings that show who is actually watching the show days and even weeks later. Or those who are invested and don’t even watch the show and catch clips only, but still consider themselves fans of the product. Let’s just say it, because it will be the facts until TK does some releases (which I think he will do when indies come back in full swing), he’s got 2 hours of TV time and 4 hours of YouTube time to get people to care in today’s environment about roughly 100-110 talents they are invested in full-time. I can’t imagine that to make a long-term business decision about a climate that you can’t predict just yet, that TK and his team are looking to create new stars today, April 6, 2021. It’s like this: TK always mentions his future stars. Ricky Starks is in every single script he goes into interviews with. Ricky Starks has has 1 match on Dynamite, national television, in all of 2021. Yet, he is a future champion and viewed as one of the key stars of AEW. Dave has great points in his critiques. They’re valid and I would 100% take those if we had crowds and wrestling was WHAT IT WAS. But right now, and I take this from being part of a couple boards and seeing behind the curtain with many companies I work with, it’s about what will work right now and set you up for the “return to normalcy” and then there’s an entirely different plan that you execute when “normalcy has resumed”. Companies are investing in their talent. No matter the industry. This is what AEW is doing right now, hence the 92 talents on Q1 2021 Dynamite versus 64 Q1 2020 Dynamite if I recall those metrics correctly. Love the takes going on here! Everybody’s got great insights and opinions and I’m digging it.
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ICR posted:Love the takes going on here! Everybody’s got great insights and opinions and I’m digging it. Really good post for your part as well, finding the discussion enlightening dissecting the original point.
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Apr 6, 2021 19:13
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Pylons posted:Nothing is going to get over right now without huge crowd energy. I do think the right move right now is making everyone look good so they have a wealth of prospects to choose from when they can start touring again. I’d agree it’s miles harder to judge who is actually over, and it’s much harder to choose who to focus on as a result, but I see Daves point about trying to build stars.
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HidaO-Win posted:I’d agree it’s miles harder to judge who is actually over, and it’s much harder to choose who to focus on as a result, but I see Daves point about trying to build stars. From what I gather, TK is looking at quarter hour ratings, merch sales, video clip view counts and other online traffic indicators for judging who's "over" right now.
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Apr 6, 2021 19:39
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ICR posted:It’s like this: TK always mentions his future stars. Ricky Starks is in every single script he goes into interviews with. Ricky Starks has has 1 match on Dynamite, national television, in all of 2021. I hadn't even thought of it that way. I just thought dude was over as hell because he was over to me. Sure, I'd want more matches from him, but drat, that does make him seem cold in that regard... And I say this as someone who only watches Dark / Dark: Elevation when there are matches that y'all say are worth it.
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blast0rama posted:I hadn't even thought of it that way. I just thought dude was over as hell because he was over to me. Sure, I'd want more matches from him, but drat, that does make him seem cold in that regard... No offense, but this seems kind of stupid to me? If he was over for you before without having to wrestle matches.. isn't that a good thing? Why is your perception of him being "cold" or not based on how many matches he's had?
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i was listening to the clip about booking and dave brought up that these points came from a few people who ran national promotions, and that got me thinking: who are these people? thinking about it after a while i realized he's probably talking about konnan and mike tenay, both of whom lived through TNA and WCW. of course they would be hyper critical of anyone for not making enough tv stars and having too many contracted wrestlers
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I think it’s good for AEW to have a big roster because you can move people around when you need certain people to heal up, take a break things like that. That’s why you can get a fun feud like Cassidy and Chuck vs Miro and Kip. Or you can have the bucks take a couple weeks off or whatever. It’s always baffles me that wwe has like the largest roster of wrestlers ever but we only see the same 10 guys every single week.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:36
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Too bad Dave doesn't do journalism anymore or he could use one of his six sources among AEW's executives to break news stories like "Big Show is signing" or literally anything else they're going to do that he knows about
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Apr 6, 2021 20:57
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Mob posted:Too bad Dave doesn't do journalism anymore or he could use one of his six sources among AEW's executives to break news stories like "Big Show is signing" or literally anything else they're going to do that he knows about It would be very stupid of him to burn his sources by leaking things they asked him not to report on.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:58
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Hm yes it's almost like there's a problem if every piece of inside information he learns has that caveat
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Apr 6, 2021 21:03
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one of the fun things about a big roster is you dont know who will show up each week so its always a treat
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Apr 6, 2021 21:06
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Mob posted:Hm yes it's almost like there's a problem if every piece of inside information he learns has that caveat That problem being.. he doesn't spoil their surprise signings?
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Apr 6, 2021 21:07
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Mob posted:Too bad Dave doesn't do journalism anymore or he could use one of his six sources among AEW's executives to break news stories like "Big Show is signing" or literally anything else they're going to do that he knows about Either way, TNT told Tony to cut the surprises out, because they didn't like the idea that Sting just showed up and they didn't have a chance to promote it, which is why Christian was teased for a PPV.
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Mob posted:Hm yes it's almost like there's a problem if every piece of inside information he learns has that caveat What is it
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