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So I'm listening to Cornette's podcast and his cohost really hates Jake Roberts. If even half of the stuff he says about Jake is true, Jake does seem like a really lovely guy.
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CombineThresher posted:That's the episode where they talk about All In and AEW, right? Because holy poo poo Brian Last has some dumb takes on all that. Yeah. I don't know any of the details of any of this, I'm just going on what he said about the one guy dying of cancer who Jake owes money to and who supposedly Jake won't even talk to. I suppose if you have a good friend who is dying and you feel somebody hosed them over you might act a bit irrationally.
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Jan 12, 2019 10:35
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I've been watching a lot of Bryan and Vinny stuff on YT and I feel like I should maybe subscribe. Do I get to listen to all of their audio stuff throughout history? Like, I've been looking for their old Raw and Nitro reviews on YouTube mainly but I've also seen Meltzer's review of WrestleMania from 2001 or something.
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Jan 16, 2019 21:16
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Lone Goat posted:a sub gets you access to their entire archives which is at least 12 years VJeff posted:Yeah, subscribing gets you everything, every Bryan and Vinny, every Wrestling Observer Radio, every Wrestling Observer Newsletter (I think some of the really old ones might not be up, but Dave puts up back issues regularly I think). If you think you should, you probably should. It's a LOT of content. remusclaw posted:Make sure to seek out the Sin Limite's with Dave and Mike Semperveve. As is pretty much always the case, no matter how irritating they might be on their own, somehow each member of the Observer/FFD team has really good chemistry when podcasting with Dave, and you often get more out there stories when it isn't Bryan the Takmaster Alvarez trying to get the podcast in audible and without dead air. yea ok posted:every f4w audio show from 2005 onwards, every dave show since the merger, every observer from like 83-2001 with a few year gap then every observer to the present. its a huge amount of content Alright I signed up with a one month subscription. Thanks for the advice. I don't always agree with these guys but I love listening to them and I don't question their knowledge. They all seem to hate people I like though like Kevin Nash for example. Then again, I just watched the B&V review of Victory Road 2009 and died of laughter. "AJ did a Garvin stomp, I think Nash fell asleep." Ever since I got the Death of WCW audiobook I've really liked Alvarez's delivery. With Vinny and Craig he has a sort of...dryness to balance out how bombastic he can be. I love it. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jan 16, 2019 |
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Jan 16, 2019 21:38
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This where I can talk about WOL and stuff? I just subscribed to them like I said earlier and the one I'm listening to today has Alvarez being salty about the Observer getting award categories for Best Women Wrestler and stuff. "If they're the best wrestler or have the best feud, they will win in those categories." These are vote-based awards, right? Shouldn't it be abundantly clear about how such awards can be skewed? Like, one thing I've recently been wondering about is just what are the demographics of the prowrestling audience? I always look at the crowd in matches to try and spot as many women as I can. I bring this up because in what I assume is a very male-dominated audience you're going to get a lot of voter bias. This happens in elections for government, nevermind something as insignificant as this.
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Jan 17, 2019 23:40
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So I'm still making my way through the Retro Raw's and Nitro's on B&V&C and I was inspired to actually look up a match they reviewed. Davey Boy vs. Owen for the European title's debut. I've always loved Davey but I had forgotten that, even in '97 he was still quick, agile and athletic as hell. He had packed on the muscles but it hadn't slowed him down nearly as much as i remembered. Match is awesome and Davey was awesome. Doesn't get the credit he deserves.
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Jan 22, 2019 09:14
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Is the audio on WOL/F4W not working for anyone else? Also if so, does this happen often?
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Jan 24, 2019 02:47
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MassRafTer posted:Works fine for me. Jerusalem posted:This morning I had a weird issue where neither my desktop or my mobile could find either f4wonline.com or wrestlingobserver.com, but going back in my browser to a prior browsed page and hitting home on the menu fixed it. Literally the first time in a several year subscription I have had any problem that I can recall. Yeah it's working for me again and has been for about an hour or so. Thanks for the responses.
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Jan 24, 2019 06:35
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So I don't know much about the Road Warriors apart from the fact they were legends outside of the WWF but in the Retro Raw reviews, Alvarez positively hates them. It's so strange knowing how beloved they are yet he just destroys them in show after show I'm listening to. Did their quality decline drastically by 1998?
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Jan 28, 2019 22:37
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coconono posted:They were pretty beat up by that point and honestly, the novelty of them wore off heading into the 90s. Were they all novelty? Do they not hold up if I went back and watched all their best matches?
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Jan 28, 2019 22:55
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I dunno, Bryan and Vinny (and Craig) seem spot on about Retro Raw so far. It's an abomination that should be stricken from the Earth. The first more "modern" review of theirs I listened to was for Royal Rumble. I generally agreed with them except I didn't like Lesnar winning because I kinda hate Brock Lesnar. But he is a big dude beating up a little dude and Bryan likes that and so would I if the big dude was anybody but Brock. Other than that I don't really listen to reviews.
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Jan 29, 2019 20:32
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Dango Bango posted:Is WOR worth subscribing to? I don't necessarily have time to listen to a whole lot of content, but you guys make the B&V stuff sound really entertaining. As a new subscriber, I totally recommend it. They're just plain funny guys and their opinions are often agreeable. And, even if they're wrong, I don't hate 'em for it. Failure to appreciate Kevin Nash is just one of those things I've learned to accept as a wrestling fan. Also Dave knows everything about wrestling history so it's educational. You can find tons of their clips on YT as well. They have a YT channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPcc1MbakHpB8F1vIDvUJBg Just to give you a good sample of what you're buying. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jan 30, 2019 |
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So I do find the trio endlessly entertaining but while I suspected it from Death of WCW, the Retro Nitros' are making it crystal clear how much Alvarez hates Kevin Nash. Like, there are lots of reasons to dislike Nash as a wrestler but I didn't think anyone would say he was a bad promo or lacked charisma. He also doesn't think Raven is good on the mic. I mean, I don't really care, because the guys are funny as poo poo. These are just my most noticeable disagreements and since I've been binge listening to these, I notice it a lot. I'm also not a Goldberg fan but that's just me.
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Feb 1, 2019 08:01
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Lid posted:They love Raven when he was the lazy rich bastard moping. I am only in May of '98 at present. Looking forward to that then. And I understand the importance of raw charisma. The It Factor is what makes stars even more than actual talent. I would not compare Lesnar to Goldberg though because Lesnar is actually a decent wrestler when he cares. Goldberg has like, 1 minute in him and then he's out of material. I pop as much as anyone else when he Jackhammers The Giant and he's great for that shot spectacle. But you really need someone like DDP to carry him to anything resembling an enjoyable match. Their match at Halloween Havoc was the only Goldberg match I remember ever enjoying.
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Feb 1, 2019 09:15
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Karmine posted:I predict that everyone is going to hate the Paisley segment on today’s B&V because I love Bryan’s dad stories, and I actually thought today’s segment was very cute, but even I was like “yeah ok I don’t need to listen to this.” Little kids are adorable. Why would anyone hold it against the proud papa? There's one streamer I watch named Destiny and his son Nathan is one of the best things he ever has on his stream. MassRafTer posted:Nash is a loving horrible promo in 2000. I mean, man, he's so bad. He has a lot of charisma, but even at his peak he wasn't a great promo. By May of 2000 when Bischoff is convinced Nash is more over than he ever has been before he's the dirt worst. I guess it could be the fact I just plain like Nash that colored my opinion. I find him fun to listen to more than an engaging storyteller and i guess the latter is what what a promo is supposed to be about. That was one thing about the Kliq, every one of them had that It Factor that made them seem like superstars. Nash, Michaels and Trips seem to have had the most ambition of the five, though. Hall could have been bigger than any of them except for maybe Shawn but he just didn't seem to care about belts and legacies like those three did, he just wanted a big payday.
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What is this "Jericho Network" that Raven's podcast is a part of? Is Talk is Jericho so big and Jericho is so successful and rich that he is supporting other wrestlers' podcasts in some way? If so that is pretty awesome and I feel ad I never had that much respect for the man growing up and only became a fan in the last few years.
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Feb 16, 2019 15:41
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So I guess I'm finally in the "it's all over" phase of WCW in the Retro reviews. Bryan, Vinny and Craig bury Bischoff for his "I made WCW great and I can do it again" bit at the start of this Nitro and correctly point out that he is essentially telling all the fans that WCW sucks now. But this made me curious about something very recent. Did they get similarly mad at the response to the lowest rated Raw ever? I don't know much about that, just read posts about it and I think Vince or somebody came on after that happened and was like "I'm here to fix things!" Sounds like what Bischoff did.
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All I know is I found an old B&V episode where they told a story about Brent which they might not be able to tell now. Bryan likes to say "you couldn't do that in 2018/19/etc." Seems like a lot of their old stuff you couldn't do today. Which is the same for a lot of things to be fair. But I like Brent for being a weirdo. I don't think he's a creep weirdo from what I know so whatever.
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Mar 4, 2019 00:56
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I'm surprised Bryan doesn't like Tank Abbott like Vinny does. They usually agree on loving them some big goofs beating the poo poo out of each other. I died during the Terry Funk and Dustin Rhodes and Raw Chicken part. Don't be a chicken-choking peckerhead, everyone.
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I'm listening to old Retro Nitro reviews that I somehow missed my first time around and Bryan tells this great story about Kanyon. He calls Bryan up, says I have $100 riding on this bet and I know you will know this. Is Fritz von Erich alive or dead? Bryan says well I hope you win your bet but Fritz is dead. Then there's a pause and Kanyon screams"I told you he was alive!" and hangs up. It came up in a discussion of wrestlers who, whatever else you can say about them, will be your best buddies if you are ever in the same room with them. Examples were Kevin Nash and Ric Flair. But Kanyon seems like somebody everybody liked all the time.
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Is Konnan a reliable source? Came cross this clip randomly where he talks about Rey and Vince and claims Vince called Rey a "pepperbelly" (an anti-Mexican slur) back when they gave him the title. Now I don't doubt Vince is racist as gently caress, I'm just always wary of anecdotes from wrestlers. He's also talking to Disco who everyone on here says is full of poo poo.
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Random thoughts from listening to old Dave and Bryan stuff.... Bryan really did sound like Kermit once upon a time. Up until like 4 years ago he had a really weird voice. Then it just changed and he sounds so much smoother now. Dave used to sound happy and enthusiastic. In his stuff from the early 2000s he had so much energy. Now he's the master of dedpan and not giving a poo poo.
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I like Bryan and Vinny and Craig and Dave and most of the F4W/WOR crew Still, I think Bryan is a bit unfair to Wyatt. He was as receptive to The Fiend as he was to Cactus Jack vs. Mick Foley. He refuses to buy into the kayface split personality stuff. Cactus is not the same as Mankind and Fiend is not he same as Wyatt. The story says it's something new and most of the fans are okay with that so I don't mind. Granted, I legit like Bray and always have. I think he works in spite of WWE writing more than because of it , though. His resurgence here after they ruined him shows he can get the crowd into his character and matches. Him and Daniel Bryan got them energized at the last PPV. I didn't see TLC though. I'm sue it did suck.
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Arbite posted:Ken's ringtone is the Junes theme from Persona 4. I'm now even happier than usual that I give them my money.
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I'm still going through Retro Raw and Nitro and Bryan had a great point. Somebody, I forget who, was wearing short shorts to the ring in WCW. Craig and Vinnie were having a fit about this but then Bryan - the voice of reason - had to remind them that wrestler trunks show off more than even booty shorts or Daisy dukes. He talked about how, as he waited behind the curtain to go and wrestle Buddy, it suddenly struck him that "I'm basically naked." I don't know if it's the same math but I saw a math between him and Buddy on YT and it starts with the person holding the camera zooming in and focusing on Buddy Wayne's rear end. Yes, he had "BW" on his trunks but if this was Trish Stratus or somebody and they had "TS" on their rear end, we would know why she had those initials there. We were supposed to look at her rear end. It's basically softcore porn. So why is it any different for the men? The answer is that it isn't. It's just strange to think about all the stuff we as wrestling fans take for granted but if you showed it to some random person who knew nothing about wrestling, it would probably creep them out.
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Yukaichiban posted:Listening to an old B&V&C and Bryan tells a great story. Kanyon called him and said he had a bet going for like $100. Is Fritz Von Erich dead or alive? Bryan says I hope you win, Fritz is dead. Kanyon pauses then Bryan hears "I TOLD YOU HE WAS ALIVE". Then the phone disconnects. I listened to that just the other day. It's great. Bryan had a really interesting rant in one of the Retro shows I just listened to. It also tied in with this interview with Melina I just found. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-AaGQpHbfg In the retro show, Bryan going on one of his most memorable rants to me. It was...I forget the exact teams but Ivory and Jacqueline were on different teams and also The Kat and Terri Runnels were there. Bryan talks about how Jackie and Ivory are as good as most of the female wrestlers today in WWE. Maybe not up to par with the absolute best but better than many. He pointed out how, in their own way, The Kat and Terri were better at their roles than a lot of the ladies on WWE today. Kat and Terri were not wrestlers, they were sexy women paid to catfight and strip each other naked. They did that well. He criticized how the WWE wants all its women to wrestle now but many of them...can't. They are bad at wrestling while at least Kat and Terri were good at being sexy. Melina in the interview talks about how "Divas" get a bad rep and I think that's fair. Thank God gravy bowl matches are a thing of the past but not every woman has to be a great worker. And even in the diva days, people like Jazz and - I'm glad Melina referenced here because she was always my favorite - Victoria were awesome and the modern history of "WWE only got good female wrestlers in the last five years" is insulting. Good female wrestlers were always there, even in the Attitude Era towards the end. Also I can't say I ever watched any of her matches but Nikki Bella was around a few years ago and she had one talent. She was good at it - being sexy is a talent. But things haven't changed that much it seems. They're just trying to make the women there to be sexy be workers on par with Charlotte or something. I guess you just gotta try and find a happy medium between sex appeal and working good. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Feb 17, 2020 |
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MassRafTer posted:Nikki Bella was a better wrestler than Melina. Fair enough. As I said, never watched anything with her, just going off what I read online. Plus I'm just not a great judge of how good a wrestler is, anyway. I just liked Melina and Victoria most from back when I really followed wrestling in the mid-2000s. Lita is the one who gets a lot of poo poo from people online it seems. Everybody remembers her because she was with the Hardy's and could do stuff in the ring unlike a lot of the other notable WWE women of the time. Except I guess a lot of what she could do was incredibly sloppy. I haven't gone back and watched a Lita match to try and judge her from my older perspective.
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Low Desert Punk posted:Jacqueline is super underrated. She had a ton of physical charisma and always came off as a serious, dangerous threat in the ring. I'm trying to catch up with current WWE. After listening to WOR and Dave and Bryan putting over Carmella vs. Bailey, I went and watched the match. I thought Bailey played a great aggressive heel in the match. Bailey has been my favorite lady wrestler in WWE as I drift in and out over the last couple years. Loved her as a face and she seems to be just as good as a heel.
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So I'm in no position to critique most of what Bryan and Vinny say, even if I wanted to. I don't know anything about the do's and don'ts of pro-wrestling. But they always bring up "the cameraman is there" in certain angles and it bugs me. It's never a huge criticism but they never fail to mention how "stupid" it is that wrestlers don't see certain things when the cameraman is right there pointing at it. I mean...there is no cameraman in story, right? You don't talk about "why doesn't the cameraman help all those poor victims in slasher movies?"
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STAC Goat posted:That's the key. We had this discussion weeks ago in the AEW thread and I think the heart of it is people get hung up on the "cameraman" but really, the question is "should the characters in the show be able to watch the show?" The characters on Game of Thrones can't so it never matters that there's a 4th wall and no one knows what the other is doing in other scenes. On most wrestling shows the characters do watch the show and see things all the time. So when WWE decides that they just can't see something because its convenient to the story they want to tell it violates their own established house rules and makes no sense. This makes sense and is totally fair. I just always think of wrestling as another type of show. Big Huski Boi said it's a sport but I always liked how Raven defined pro wrestling as being basically a soap opera. I grew up addicted to both and I see what he meant. It's a soap opera with an emphasis on stage combat. Stage combat that hurts but at the end of the day it's a giant theatrical production full of wacky storylines and larger-than-life characters. But if you are going to have your wrestlers watch their own show, that does make things less coherent. Unless I suppose you could argue the cameramen at ringside exist but when you shoot some backstage vignette or Otis at a restaurant there is no cameraman there. That is a "pure" television sequence.
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coconono posted:Never forget that Melina is caping for accused sex pest Rick Cataldo. What does "caping" mean?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBUKuHGQZHQ Who is this fellow? I like him. He sums up exactly why i enjoy the WWE Hall of Fame even as so many mock it. I look at Hall's and DDP's and Madusa's speeches and they really touch me because I see how happy they are. And I'm happy they got this moment. I'm thankful to them for all they did for me as a wrestling fan.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adIq6Wzh8zo Is Bryan saying he wants Goldberg to go over Bray and then go on to WrestleMania so WM can potentially draw bigger? I like Bryan and there is some logic to this but he knows more than I do that WWE needs to make new stars and not just keep dredging out the stars of the past. How does Goldberg beating Bray do that? It doesn't. They might get a few more buys for one event but they sabotage their long term gains.
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Feb 25, 2020 19:37
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coconono posted:if they'd let Bray go clean over Cena none of this would be a discussion. I like Bray more than the good contrarian folks here it seems and I've always gotten the impression the crowd liked him, too. The WWE just misused and buried the guy. So he came back with a new gimmick and is undefeated universal champ. They definitely are trying to make a star. He also became the top merch mover a couple months ago according to Meltzer. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Feb 25, 2020 |
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I like everybody I listen to at F4WOnline. I don't agree with everything they say but they're entertaining and informative and what more can I ask for. It's worth the money. e: https://twitter.com/JJWilliamsWON/status/1079899936584597504?s=20 NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Feb 26, 2020 |
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Feb 26, 2020 03:11
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So this is the first time I've been caught up with the Retro Raw and Nitro. I just spent two months listening to all of hem from the beginning. Don't they come out on Tuesdays? Do they get uploaded really late?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxw9fu5wmHI I admire his optimism. I don't want to be a doomer, I hope Fiend beats Cena like he should have done years ago and this does work out for him the way Jim thinks it will. But I am not as hopeful as he is. And neither are the people who watched this video. Never seen a Dislike-to-Like ratio so bad on one of their videos.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZpVykOMJLo Jim really does have a lot of great takes. I know some people have a problem with the Hardy's, especially Jeff, but he's dead-on when he talks about how the WWE totally wasted the unbelievably over return of their biggest tag team act of the last two decades. Matt is off doing great things in AEW and the WWE continues to Waste Jeff. I'll always love the Hardy's and, on a more personal note, I agree wit Jim that it's great that a potential wrestling tragedy was averted and became a triumph.
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Jun 1, 2020 01:52
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So I unsubbed to F4Wonline because I was short on money and I mostly listened for Retro Raw and Nitro and that ended. But now I'm seeing them uploading Invasion era stuff. How are far they gonna continue Retro RAWS? I might resub for this. P.S. I had forgotten how dirty the WWE did the Hardy's in the early 2000s. A classic case of succeeding in spite of the company.
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Is WWE too big to fail? That's what I always think when I see these reports. Record low ratings but all time high profits. What killed WCW was all the wasted money and no real profits coming in. But WWE will just continue to suck into perpetuity?
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