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ExcessBLarg!
Aug 31, 2001

cruft posted:

Why? All I can find is that the Atom is made for low power use and, as a result, isn't a big performer. Seems ideal for a Chromebook, what am I missing?
A web browser is one of the most taxing pieces of software that's run on a typical desktop computer, mostly because websites aren't designed to be optimally efficient. Chromebooks may have an efficiency advantage compared to a Windows desktop by essentially only running the browser, but that's not going to fix websites being lovely resource hogs.

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Mental Hospitality
Jan 5, 2011

ExcessBLarg! posted:

A web browser is one of the most taxing pieces of software that's run on a typical desktop computer, mostly because websites aren't designed to be optimally efficient. Chromebooks may have an efficiency advantage compared to a Windows desktop by essentially only running the browser, but that's not going to fix websites being lovely resource hogs.

I have an older ARM Chromebook and the browsing experience ranges from "This Is Fine" to "lovely :tif: ".

Great battery life though.

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

It seems obvious in hindsight, but I was able to free up a lot of disk space on my Crostini instance by making a new folder in ChromeOS called "Home" and moving a bunch of data files into it: just moving MP3s and my RollerCoaster Tycoon game files freed up about 40% of the disk.

My Chromebook has an SD card reader, so moving all this data there frees up the 64GB onboard SSD. That's nice, except the SD card gets unmounted every time I suspend. I've started carrying a SIM card eject tool on my keyring so I can pop the SD card out and push it in again when I need my big data drive. Annoying.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Hey guys, so my ex destroyed my Windows laptop and I'm looking into replacing it. Thing is, the only thing I used my laptop for was managing files across devices (pdfs/ebooks and MP3/MP4 files)and ripping CDs to put music on my phone. On paper it looks like a good Chromebook would do what I want.

The issue. From what I've seen Chromebooks can't run iTunes at all. up until now the only program I've used to rip and burn music CDs is iTunes so not having it has me concerned. Does anyone know of an alternative to iTunes that I could use to organise my music files? Basically need something that can rip CDs and add album artwork to my MP3 files.

Thanks

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

?

there is no laptops with dvd drives anymore, so i assume you use an external drive

i'd be hard pressed to think of a computer that couldn't rip cd's given an external drive

edit: oh you mean like software... well, get a chromebook you can put linux on proper :P

Xiphas
Nov 5, 2004
Chromebooks do not support DVD or CD-ROM drives, not even in Crostini.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Tankakern posted:

?

there is no laptops with dvd drives anymore, so i assume you use an external drive

i'd be hard pressed to think of a computer that couldn't rip cd's given an external drive

edit: oh you mean like software... well, get a chromebook you can put linux on proper :P

Yeah I should have clarified I meant software. Already use an external disc drive. I just have no idea what software I can use on a Chromebook to rip CDs.


Xiphas posted:

Chromebooks do not support DVD or CD-ROM drives, not even in Crostini.

Not even an external disk drive? Darn :(

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

if you want to dabble with proper linux it will work though, loads of software there. ironically i use eac in wine for my ripping needs

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

I use a Raspberry Pi to rip CDs and DVDs. I wrote https://git.woozle.org/neale/media-sucker for this: it does a great job 80% of the time.

Nyeehg
Jul 14, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Thanks for the help guys. Gave me enough information to get started.

Tankakern posted:

if you want to dabble with proper linux it will work though, loads of software there. ironically i use eac in wine for my ripping needs

Only had time for a cursory glance but this might be workable. I have very limited Linux experience though. I'm guessing I'd need a separate piece of software for managing tags/adding artwork.


cruft posted:

I use a Raspberry Pi to rip CDs and DVDs. I wrote https://git.woozle.org/neale/media-sucker for this: it does a great job 80% of the time.

This is really neat. Unfortunately I don't have a raspberry pi. Grabbing one of those and a Chromebook puts the price into the same realm as a decent laptop

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006

If you count them all, this sentence has exactly seventy-two characters.

Nyeehg posted:

so my ex destroyed my Windows laptop

You don't have to answer, but I feel like we glossed over what could be an interesting story. :allears:

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

Hell, destroying a Windows laptop isn't anything special. I destroy Windows laptops all the time by just using the software built into the OS.

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

i'm OBSESSED with quibbling over minutiae!!!!!!!!

mom and dad fight a lot posted:

You don't have to answer, but I feel like we glossed over what could be an interesting story. :allears:

they just turned it on and microsoft did the rest

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

Crostini has been telling me that GPU support defaults off now, to improve stability. OpenSCAD kept crashing the entire OS until I re-enabled GPU support for Crostini, though.

Anybody else seeing something similar? Maybe it's just ARM that has flaky software?

other people
Jun 27, 2004
Associate Christ
Is there a way to get python & IDLE on a chromebook without using the linux development environment? I want to set it up for my kid but it is not possible to enable the linux env on their family-managed account and that seems to be the only way to get IDLE.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



other people posted:

Is there a way to get python & IDLE on a chromebook without using the linux development environment? I want to set it up for my kid but it is not possible to enable the linux env on their family-managed account and that seems to be the only way to get IDLE.

Does this help?

quote:

Method 2: Using a Python Online IDE

If you prefer not to install anything, you can also use online IDEs such as:

Repl.it
Google Colab
Jupyter Notebook (via Google Colab)
These platforms allow you to write and run Python code directly in your browser without needing to install anything on your Chromebook.

other people
Jun 27, 2004
Associate Christ
I saw some of those in my searching. They seem to be aimed at professional use cases. I think there is too much going on there and it will be distracting. That is what is one of the key features of IDLE, it is very plain.

It does make me wonder if we could access python/IDLE on a remote system somehow. There is an always-on linux system in the house...

Xiphas
Nov 5, 2004

other people posted:

I saw some of those in my searching. They seem to be aimed at professional use cases. I think there is too much going on there and it will be distracting. That is what is one of the key features of IDLE, it is very plain.

It does make me wonder if we could access python/IDLE on a remote system somehow. There is an always-on linux system in the house...

If just accessing the remote system as a whole is OK, then you can always use something like novnc.

If you want just access to IDLE via the web and nothing else, you could try to find a docker image that hosts it via web. I couldn't find one that only does IDLE, but if it does exist, it would be something like this container that hosts a Jupyter Notebook instance (although this docker image is clearly for data scientist type folks). Or you could always roll your own container if you want to spend the time and effort.

other people
Jun 27, 2004
Associate Christ
For now I have given up and I am letting them use IDLE running from my account's linux env.

I found this android app that is indeed python idle but it runs a full x11 env to do it and it is not a pleasant user experience.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tech.ula.idle

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

other people posted:

I saw some of those in my searching. They seem to be aimed at professional use cases. I think there is too much going on there and it will be distracting. That is what is one of the key features of IDLE, it is very plain.

I created Python for Cool Kids for school kids who don't have access to anything outside a browser. Everything runs on your computer; even the program is stored in your browser. dirtbags.net has no record of you doing anything other than loading the page. That also means if you lose your computer/browser, you've lost your work...

I know of a couple kids who've done entire science fair / programming competition projects with Python for Cool Kids.

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cruft
Oct 25, 2007

My HP x2 11 is no longer forgetting about the MicroSD card on resume. I'd love it if they could also make it so Bluetooth doesn't flake out after a few days, but the MicroSD card vanishing was by far the most annoying thing.

Maybe one day they'll even make the original pen work again! The replacement (originally for cruft jr's Lenovo chromebook) is fine, but I liked how the original one magnetically attached to the side of the machine and charged itself there.

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