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ILL Machina
Mar 25, 2004

:italy: Glory to Italia! :italy:

Ayy!! This text is-a the color of marinara! Ohhhh!! Dat's amore!!

Cuntellectual posted:

BM is going to suck even harder now, her spiders are going to be so easy to farm.

She and her babies get free move still, right? Maybe with armor and magic resist they won't always be insta blapped. They survive more early game but you don't have to get smoke against them...feels like the visage familiars who didn't get song immunity anymore

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Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

ILL Machina posted:

She and her babies get free move still, right? Maybe with armor and magic resist they won't always be insta blapped. They survive more early game but you don't have to get smoke against them...feels like the visage familiars who didn't get song immunity anymore

Yeah I mean, now that they dont lose free walk when spotted you can just send them into the trees when someone tries to farm them.

ILL Machina
Mar 25, 2004

:italy: Glory to Italia! :italy:

Ayy!! This text is-a the color of marinara! Ohhhh!! Dat's amore!!
Does bf cleave work with pangolier Q?

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

Don't look now, but the patch is live.

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

ILL Machina posted:

Does bf cleave work with pangolier Q?

It should.

Sweetgrass
Jan 13, 2008

Dr. Fetus posted:

I haven't played this game in years. Last patch I played was like 6.8x or something? I dunno, it was when DOTA turned into Mario Kart. What in the world did they do to the laning phase since then?

Safe lane is more difficult now because virtually every mitigation and regen item was removed from the side shop so your starting items need to be on point, and you'll be leaning on the courier a lot more. Also Poor Man's got removed, which is good because gently caress that item.

Iron Talon was removed because people who want to jungle deserve nothing in life, offlane has closer access to runes but shrines are a bit further away, mid doesnt have as quick and easy access to their shrines.

One of the biggest changes is that denying creeps is now much more punishing so you can bully your way into an exp advantage more reliably; pretty much everything is geared towards making early game advantages more significant and base cracking easier late game.

Also the patch is live yall.

Whaleporn
May 6, 2007

This is me on my bike pretty cool huh?

Twist And Pout! posted:

Honestly I really miss the naive b.net/garena playerbases back then. No game is going to have that kind of skill gap ever again. These days everyone knows what is best and tries to do it (albiet terribly in low MMRs).

I for sure miss knowing I could go into a public game of dota and destroy everyone but if you have a nice chuck of good boy points you'll sometimes get a team of 4-5 ragers as your enemy to stomp as good boy crew and that feels kinda like the good old days.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
Pangolier is called Donte, like what people called the new Dante in DmC :lol:

Cabbit posted:

Don't look now, but the patch is live.

Nooo I wanted another day of earthshaking fools. :(

Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Oct 31, 2017

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007

introducing our first and best goon streamer, me, wangsbig. i will be trying to win a game with goons this patch come peep: https://www.twitch.tv/wangsbig

RattiRatto
Jun 26, 2014

:gary: :I'd like to borrow $200M
:whatfor:
:gary: :To make vidya game
If they keep shuffuling the map i get lost and stuck all the time.

I'm definitly gonna join the discord to play and feed with fellow goons

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
:rip: 1 second CD Jinada. +300 track gold seems kinda bad for a level 25 talent. Like, if a BH hits 25, you probably don't need that much gold anymore...

JollyPubJerk
Nov 10, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Minorkos posted:

he isn't saying anything bad about the patch but it still looks like complaining lmao

i wonder if this new patch is just going to be a replay of 7.00 of people going "wow look at all this crazy new poo poo" and then "wow this is loving terrible" immediately afterwards. at least there are new heroes. one would hope that this starts a trend of regularly released new heroes to make this game seem less like a dead game, but knowing valve they'll just go back to releasing new loot boxes and shuffling numbers around instead

Given the years of awfulness my faith in Valve/Icefraud to do anything right is in the gutter. The game was total utter poo poo in the last patch. I don't know how to be any more optimistic- the small advantages that snowballed is what made the game hard and they removed it entirely. Now it's back, but games are shorter? Yeah.. he's been trying to do that since 2005, I'll play it a little and see. Got all my monies back so it's another idiots problem now

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
OD is a monster now that he's completely immune to magic damage.

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

Cuntellectual posted:

OD is a monster now that he's completely immune to magic damage.

what

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010

Intelligence gives magic resist, OD gets enormous amounts of intelligence.

I was being hyperbolic, but seriously it's like a free AM passive.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
Echo Saber and crit dont proc on Swashbuckle by the way. Diffusal seems good though. Big mana problems early on. Check your facing before you roll.

Mister Panos
Jan 26, 2011

Turbo mode gave me huge -apem flashbacks. The ability to buy anything from anywhere (including regen!!!!) breaks the laning phase, but its non-stop teamfighting!!!!!

Also nerf the fairy, holy poo poo she is broken.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
jfc juggernaut is so slow at level 1 now.

ILL Machina
Mar 25, 2004

:italy: Glory to Italia! :italy:

Ayy!! This text is-a the color of marinara! Ohhhh!! Dat's amore!!

Kild posted:

It should.

Whups, nope. https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Pangolier

Dollas
Sep 16, 2007

$$$$$$$$$
Clapping Larry
lol they finally put in -EM

JollyPubJerk
Nov 10, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dollas posted:

lol they finally put in -EM

The standard mode of dota is faster than -em ever was. This new one is like 3x -em

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
e: actually I forgot about something.

Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Nov 1, 2017

cindel
Sep 15, 2004

Cooler than Riddick.

Arzachel posted:

I'm so ready to run some dumb Bane rightclick carry build while mashing New Meta on the chat wheel

I've been doing that since 6.89

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe
Swapping free move for invis is a buff for BM I think. Running into trees is way better than immediately dying when someone with a sentry wanders over

Le Saboteur
Dec 5, 2007

I hear you wish to ball, adventurer..
Holy poo poo boys Lich is broke this patch. First game in went 17/3/26 on a hero I usually do only decent on. I thought they pulled back on Lich in this patch.

queef anxiety
Mar 4, 2009

yeah
broodmother is great now. Losing free pathing from taking dmg and getting dusted 24/7 sucked and made it the niche pick she was. now she's viable all the time and a lot of fun. if being invis is a highlight of the hero you're loving garbage with garbage opinions.

apem is fun but I feel like the towers need a tweak. Right now it's real easy to farm a deso/AC in 10 mins and end the game solo. Why would you do that in a fun game mode? Idk but ppl can and will. Test client last night was full of it.

bane needs a nerf, pangolin is fun as gently caress but im curious to see what the pros do with it. Willow great in a 4 role bad in a 5 so far. contesting bounties is really bizarre now. Shrine changes good. HG changes good. Good patch. 5K+ is a poo poo show rn

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Brinner posted:

broodmother is great now. Losing free pathing from taking dmg and getting dusted 24/7 sucked and made it the niche pick she was. now she's viable all the time and a lot of fun. if being invis is a highlight of the hero you're loving garbage with garbage opinions.

Yeah, I decided against saying anything, but you should really play stealth heroes with the assumption that you -will- get revealed, and being able to fly past trees while revealed is pretty nice. Assuming your stealth is real stealth and not just a 33 gold tax per fight is a pretty good way to make some memorable throws.

JollyPubJerk
Nov 10, 2009

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
shits all broken and old behavior isn't working right anymore despite not even being adjusted. Valve.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
instant out of shower showerthought: why doesn't tiny have a line for when he throws an ally hero at an enemy hero where he says "How's THIS for a memorable throw!"

queef anxiety
Mar 4, 2009

yeah

JollyPubJerk posted:

shits all broken and old behavior isn't working right anymore despite not even being adjusted. Valve.

yeah i noticed a bunch of bugs on old mechanics and such. expecting some pretty intense bug fixing from here to the next tourney.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
Turbo mode let me be level 25 at 20 minutes :getin:

queef anxiety
Mar 4, 2009

yeah

Reality Winner posted:

Turbo mode let me be level 25 at 20 minutes :getin:

Roaming is super fun not having to worry about xp and getting insane amounts of farm.

turboraton
Aug 28, 2011
Enemy Pangolin, Willow and Kunkka trilane. poo poo is annoying but this is Dota 2, you get bkb and kill people. Fun stuff and easy 25 mmr.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
please, icefraud, hire an actual french person and an actual scottish person to redo the new champ lines

nails on a fckin chalkboard

frajaq
Jan 30, 2009

#acolyte GM of 2014


this is the game that always sounds fun but it's actually miserable, especially when playing alone :smith:

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

frajaq posted:

this is the game that always sounds fun but it's actually miserable, especially when playing alone :smith:

This the only game I ever stopped playing because of how toxic the community was. It even made me toxic at times despite almost never getting mad at other games. Its tons of fun but people being so negative just kills it.

Le Saboteur
Dec 5, 2007

I hear you wish to ball, adventurer..
LoL I find is worse because people tilt so loving fast in that game and give up.

queef anxiety
Mar 4, 2009

yeah
I find playing with other people is more frustrating unless you manage to find a group all on the same skill level. It's a hard game to chill in, until turbo came along.

Mute everyone and spam chat wheel and listen to tunes if the 13 year old mexican is getting to you. any cares?

queef anxiety fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Nov 1, 2017

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




Internet Kraken posted:

This the only game I ever stopped playing because of how toxic the community was. It even made me toxic at times despite almost never getting mad at other games. Its tons of fun but people being so negative just kills it.

I find that if I get on the mic when the games starts and start joking with my team mates, saying "gl hf", complimenting little cool things that my teammates do, and doing stuff like that, then people tend to be fairly positive. It also helps to try to get ahead of criticism of your teammates. E.g. when someone dies in lane, you can ask them if they need a gank before someone else can get mad at them for feeding. Every now and then someone is determined to be a jerk, and when that happens you've just gotta mute them and encourage your teammates to do the same. But I'd say something like 4/5 of my games are pretty positive and chill when I do the above. And when that fifth game gets to me too bad, I just go and do something else for the night.

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Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused

Le Saboteur posted:

LoL I find is worse because people tilt so loving fast in that game and give up.

This is the main reason I actually quit. There were way too many games where if we don't get first blood someone on our team would throw a tantrum and start feeding. And when you have 1 person actively trying to throw before 10 minutes into the game its basically impossible to win unless the other team has someone throwing harder. So then you're trapped in a miserable game for 30 minutes at best.

I don't mind losing but I at least want my team to try, cause if they aren't then why even bother playing?

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