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Garage2Roadtrip posted:Why? @17% if you make $20k a year you pay $3400, if you make $2M you pay $340,000. Are you saying it's regressive because there are more people in the under middle class, and therefore collectively bear the brunt of the tax burden? If so why wouldn't that be a more accurate payment scheme? Should people that make more have to pay a higher percentage to carry the lower earners? its regressive because those with lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their salary or annual wages in the form of taxes than those with middle or higher-end incomes do.
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InitialDave posted:We don't have flat rate tax here either, the banding is automatically worked out based on your income. But all that bollocks you just described? Done for me. I might have to fill out a form to be checked for eligibility for any benefits I qualify for (I don't), but I don't have to run the numbers myself. there was an interest in automating personal taxes but it was heavily lobbied against by the companies who sell income tax software. our country is fundamentally broken.
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Garage2Roadtrip posted:Why? @17% if you make $20k a year you pay $3400, if you make $2M you pay $340,000. Are you saying it's regressive because there are more people in the under middle class, and therefore collectively bear the brunt of the tax burden? If so why wouldn't that be a more accurate payment scheme? Should people that make more have to pay a higher percentage to carry the lower earners? If you make 20k a year 3400 is a loving fortune. If you make 2M a year 340k is an inconvenience. Here we have 10k ish tax free then bands above that, it's harder to back of the envelope but a linear rise in% by income always sounded better to me.
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Nov 1, 2017 19:41
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BraveUlysses posted:its regressive because those with lower incomes pay a higher percentage of their salary or annual wages in the form of taxes than those with middle or higher-end incomes do. Wut. The percentage stays literally the same in a flat tax scenario.
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Nov 1, 2017 19:46
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See the post above yours. 17% of your total income when you're making peanuts is a pretty big burden. Those who have the most should pay the most. Like if you're already making 7 figures a year you're more than set, so put that money back into the system.
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cakesmith handyman posted:If you make 20k a year 3400 is a loving fortune. If you make 2M a year 340k is an inconvenience. Here we have 10k ish tax free then bands above that, it's harder to back of the envelope but a linear rise in% by income always sounded better to me. This is explaining it better - basically at lower income levels more and more of your income is going to be devoted to basic survival necessities. Yes, people making more will generally be spending more on cost of living too (because they can) but even with that in mind, you're basically taking a chunk out of one person's survival budget and another chunk out of someone's investment/Ferrari/coke budget.
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InitialDave posted:The issue is it seems like a lot of brewers have an obsession with making them taste foul. Bitter and floral is my jam, so I love IPA's. I also am old and wise enough to know that everyone is different and thank god, because there aren't enough hops for everybody Ferremit posted:I dont mind Carlton Draught, Most of my friends wouldnt drink it at gunpoint  A few years ago I would have argued but at the end of the day, beer is like pizza, even when it's bad, it's still good. After a long day I'd rather drink a Carlton than no beerfor me? Southern Comfort and lime shakers. 3/4 SoCo, generous squeeze of lime, shake with plenty of ice and pour into shot glasses.
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That guy making $2m/y is probably paying half that in taxes, even with deductions, he doesn't want to clear $2m, just $900k. His salary reflects the tax rate. That's $1.1m that could've gone towards other people's wages or improved benefits.
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slothrop posted:Bitter and floral is my jam, so I love IPA's. I also am old and wise enough to know that everyone is different and thank god, because there aren't enough hops for everybody ExplodingSims posted:See the post above yours. 17% of your total income when you're making peanuts is a pretty big burden.
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Nov 1, 2017 19:54
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Garage2Roadtrip posted:Wut. Not sure if this is the direction they were going, but the most recent US flat tax proposal ("Fair Tax") eliminates income tax and replaces it with a flat sales tax - meaning if you don't spend your money you aren't taxed. And guess what economic classes spend 100% of their annual income by necessity...
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Nov 1, 2017 19:55
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Before that Reagan motherfucker the top marginal tax rate was 70% and people had things like pensions and cheap college and better education and and and
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I'll take a step back because I'm #unpopular-opinion. Can we all agree, however, that before we increase taxes on the upper middle class and higher that there should be some social welfare reform? At least in the policing and administration of the programs so that people who actually need help, get it, and people who are leeching off the system, aren't?
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Garage2Roadtrip posted:I'll take a step back because I'm #unpopular-opinion. nope also thanks to a few whiners we arent supposed to have political chat in here anyway
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Nov 1, 2017 20:04
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BraveUlysses posted:nope Fine, I'll just enjoy my investments/ferraris/cokes over here.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGVK4ibMI-Y
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In the UK it's been shown that the general public believe that 'lazy shiftless sad sacks' are leaching ten hundred billion quid from the pot. Fact is the real number is absolutely gently caress all in the grand scheme of things. Ironically those that are loving the country over are the huge multi million pound + companies. Not saying don't chase the small leeches but when you have huge ones feeding directly off your arteries you may want to prioritise a bit. Also I love not having to gently caress about doing taxes ever 
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Nov 1, 2017 20:10
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Garage2Roadtrip posted:I'll take a step back because I'm #unpopular-opinion.
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Garage2Roadtrip posted:I'll take a step back because I'm #unpopular-opinion. And who exactly do you feel are the people leeching off the system? Hmmmm? What color skin might they have? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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scuz posted:Being wrong is not an unpopular opinion, it's just wrong. Yeah but take the time to explain why and try not to attack. You may not be able to change the mind of the person you're talking to but the person who is reading may not be so decided and can learn a lot from hearing both sides of the argument laid out.
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Always Pirate TurboTax. edit: Coredump posted:Yeah but take the time to explain why and try not to attack. You may not be able to change the mind of the person you're talking to but the person who is reading may not be so decided and can learn a lot from hearing both sides of the argument laid out. edit again: i am very grumpy today 
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Nov 1, 2017 20:15
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At least keep the straw manning to a minimum.
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i think if you're going to propose a radical shift in the way we fund our government's spending you should obligate yourself to at least read and understand some of the criticisms of that system before you even think about suggesting it.
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I wouldn't mind a Peyton Manning or an Eli Manning
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Goober Peas posted:I wouldn't mind a Peyton Manning or an Eli Manning
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Goober Peas posted:I wouldn't mind a Peyton Manning or an Eli Manning Poor Cooper, forgotten again. 
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Cooper is not as cute
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I am in for my second year! I suggest an update to the thread title noting that registration closes November 14th Come on you Internet nerds! Go register and be a part of something good.
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Sorry, I'm broke. I'll enjoy it from the sidelines like I do every year.
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Somewhat Heroic posted:I suggest an update to the thread title noting that registration closes November 14th Done Somewhat Heroic posted:Come on you Internet nerds! Go register and be a part of something good. This
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Geoj posted:I think IT offering excellent benefits across the board is a bit of a myth. Even when I worked for HP before the split I would have called my benefits just on the good side of mediocre at best. My aforementioned poo poo tier healthcare is in the IT field. My coverage with the giant Indian outsourcer I worked for previously was actually very nice, though. Olympic Mathlete posted:In the UK it's been shown that the general public believe that 'lazy shiftless sad sacks' are leaching ten hundred billion quid from the pot. Fact is the real number is absolutely gently caress all in the grand scheme of things. Ironically those that are loving the country over are the huge multi million pound + companies. It's not all that different in the US, with respect to most of the leaching coming from jackholes/corporations who already have too much money.
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Dagen H posted:Sorry, I'm broke. All you really gotta do is send your Santee a few broken car parts and a candy bar, it ain't hard.
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Geoj posted:This is pretty much the case.
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Yeah, those wait times... as unreasonable as they seem, would be par for the course here.
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Garage2Roadtrip posted:Why? @17% if you make $20k a year you pay $3400, if you make $2M you pay $340,000. Are you saying it's regressive because there are more people in the under middle class, and therefore collectively bear the brunt of the tax burden? If so why wouldn't that be a more accurate payment scheme? Should people that make more have to pay a higher percentage to carry the lower earners? ilkhan fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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ilkhan posted:Wow. Didn't realize how similar Medicaid was to British or Canadian health care. But we have "the best healthcare system in the world"! Also bear in mind the 3+ months have been how long she's waited since finding a doctor who told her something other than "headaches are common, take an aspirin." Best health care in the world my rear end 
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Geoj posted:But we have "the best healthcare system in the world"!
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ilkhan posted:Yup. But you're using "rest of the world" style health care, not the US style health Care system. You do know that medicaid uses the same providers as private insurance, right? We have the best healthcare system in the world if you can walk into the hospital with a briefcase stuffed full of $100 bills. For everyone else, not so much.
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ilkhan posted:Yup. But you're using "rest of the world" style health care, not the US style health Care system. The difference is that we in the US get to pay more for the privilege of lovely health care. edit: Yeah, that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Geoj posted:You do know that medicaid uses the same providers as private insurance, right?
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