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Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair


mcmagic posted:

I wanted David Cone or John Flaherty.

I don't want to lose Cone in the booth.

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CubsWoo
Aug 17, 2005

Where the big boys RAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU


MLBTR has their top 50 FA list out with guesses on teams and contract lengths. Go there for the full writeup but here's what they have so far. Contract predictions are in years/millions of dollars. A lot of them will be very wrong!

(Note: Shohei Otani is listed after the top 50 as a special case due to the posting rules and limitations on signing Otani.)

1-10

Yu Darvish - Cubs, 6/160
J.D. Martinez - Red Sox, 6/150
Eric Hosmer - Royals, 6/132
Jake Arrieta - Brewers, 4/100
Masahiro Tanaka - Phillies, 5/100
Mike Moustakas - Braves, 5/85
Lorenzo Cain - Giants, 4/70
Wade Davis - Astros, 4/60
Lance Lynn - Rangers, 4/56
Greg Holland - Cardinals, 4/50

11-20

Alex Cobb - Twins, 4/48
Carlos Santana - Indians, 3/45
Zack Cozart - Padres, 3/42
Jay Bruce - Blue Jays, 3/39
Logan Morrison - Red Sox, 3/36
Addison Reed - Cubs, 4/36
Todd Frazier - Mets, 3/33
Mike Minor - Dodgers, 4/28
Brandon Morrow - Rockies, 3/24
Jonathan Lucroy - Rockies, 2/24

21-30

CC Sabathia - Yankees, 2/24
Yonder Alonso - Angels, 2/22
Carlos Gomez - Royals, 2/22
Juan Nicasio - Twins, 3/21
Bryan Shaw - Red Sox, 3/21
Michael Brantley - White Sox, 2/20 (if Indians decline $12MM club option)
Andrew Cashner - A's, 2/20
Neil Walker - Brewers, 2/20
Tyler Chatwood - Phillies, 3/20
Jake McGee - Cubs, 3/18

31-40

Jaime Garcia - Royals, 2/16
Alex Avila - Yankees, 2/16
Jhoulys Chacin - Reds, 2/14
Welington Castillo - A's, 2/14
Eduardo Nunez - Blue Jays, 2/14
Anthony Swarzak - Brewers, 2/14
Steve Cishek - Rangers, 2/14
Brandon Kintzler - Nationals, 2/14
Jon Jay - Rangers, 2/14
Carlos Gonzalez - Orioles, 1/12

41-50

Tommy Hunter - Braves, 2/12
Jarrod Dyson - Pirates, 2/12
Pat Neshek - Mariners, 2/12
Tony Watson - Blue Jays, 2/12
Howie Kendrick - Giants, 2/12
Jason Vargas - Orioles, 1/10
Chris Tillman - Tigers, 1/10
Lucas Duda - Mariners, 1/6
Michael Pineda - Rays, 2/6
Miles Mikolas - Padres, 2/10

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Grimey Drawer

Yeah that's wrong.

There's no way the crew will take Arrieta.

Walker would be cool to have him come back though.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

The new coffee delivery sensation that's sweeping the nation!



iospace posted:

Yeah that's wrong.

There's no way the crew will take Arrieta.

Walker would be cool to have him come back though.

There's also no way Arrieta only gets 4 years between his Cy and Boras. He's getting 5 minimum, probably 6-7.

I also just don't see the Cubs making such a big splash on Darvish considering Theo's comments and the upcoming 2018 FA they clearly have eyes on. Dropping ~$15m AAV on the pen with Reed and McGee would be nice though I must admit.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Tell him about the Twinkie.

Sydin posted:

There's also no way Arrieta only gets 4 years between his Cy and Boras. He's getting 5 minimum, probably 6-7.

I also just don't see the Cubs making such a big splash on Darvish considering Theo's comments and the upcoming 2018 FA they clearly have eyes on. Dropping ~$15m AAV on the pen with Reed and McGee would be nice though I must admit.

They're also going to have to start writing huge checks for Bryant, Rizzo and Hendricks soon, too.

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Schools are exactly designed to keep dudes from becoming kings.


I don't know about you guys, but if I was some rich guy who owned a baseball team, I would just spend all my money on it so they would be really good

elentar
Aug 26, 2002

Congratulations! Your bonsai is dead!

Grimey Drawer

Inspector_666 posted:

I cannot believe that whole thing is a true story, it's amazing.

Some people are just loving made to play baseball. Gattis took 4 years off from playing, then went back to college and hit .403 with 11 homers.

I loved Gattis in Atlanta though he was desperately not an NL player, really glad for him. Also McCann now that he seems to have loosened up a bit.

Most surreal part of the whole thing though was seeing a former student of mine score the winning run in a World Series game.

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Grimey Drawer

Didn't McCann preside over the funeral for Beltran's glove?

CubsWoo
Aug 17, 2005

Where the big boys RAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU


I think the argument for Arrieta getting 4 comes from the facts that this was clearly his worst full year as a Cub (going from 5.3 WAR to 8.7 to 3.4 and now 1.9), his IP dropped from 197 to 168 despite only 1 fewer game played because he pitched an average of one fewer inning per start since 2016, his WHIP is climbing back up to his pre-Cub numbers and he gave up a career-high home run total.

I don't think the market is there for the kind of deal Boras is going to want for a guy who might just be turning back into a pumpkin and I wouldn't be surprised if Jake declines some 4 year deals (even if they have opt-outs after 1 or 2 years) early on in FA before taking something similar to this in early or mid January when nobody wants to invest 5/120 or 6/145 or whatever in Jake.

Timby posted:

They're also going to have to start writing huge checks for Bryant, Rizzo and Hendricks soon, too.

Current arb estimates for the Cubs:

Bryant, Arb-1 (~8.9M)
Rondon, Arb-3 (~6.2M)
Martin, Arb-2 (~4.9M)
Hendricks, Arb-1 (~4.9M)
Winson, Arb-3 (~4.3M)
Grimm, Arb-2 (~2.4M)
Russell, Arb-1 (~2.3M)
La Stella, Arb-1 (~1M)
Weeks, Arb-1 (minimum)

CubsWoo fucked around with this message at Nov 3, 2017 around 03:31

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004


Tanaka will get more than 5/100 if he opts out. He'd be the best starter on the market.

BasicFunk
Feb 26, 2011

How's your Funkentelechy?


elentar posted:

I loved Gattis in Atlanta though he was desperately not an NL player, really glad for him. Also McCann now that he seems to have loosened up a bit.

Most surreal part of the whole thing though was seeing a former student of mine score the winning run in a World Series game.

I remember when they tried to get him in left field for a while. Poor fella looked so lost out there.

cis autodrag
Jan 6, 2012

that's just applause from ghosts




Gary’s Answer

iospace posted:

Yeah that's wrong.

There's no way the crew will take Arrieta.

Walker would be cool to have him come back though.

gently caress arrieta but I get where the list is coming for since the Brewers love to sign pitchers who were good against them but will be terrible for them.

Hubbardologist
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.


bewbies posted:

Offseason doldrums? NFL unwatchable? Hockey and soccer not good enough for you? I'm going to run a goon be-a-player in Out-of-the-Park 18 for anyone interested. Once I get the final kinks out of the setup worked out I'll post a signup thread, hopefully later this week. So, if you're interested start thinking about what kind of fake baseball player YOU want to be!

Poll question for anyone interested: would you all prefer to do a modern game, or historical? If historical, what era? Reminder: the farther back we go, the fewer players we can inject without breaking the game.

I'd love to do this. Looking forward to the signup thread. And also learning how be-a-player works.

Kirios
Jan 25, 2010

All rise for the AL

M. V. P.


Astros need to hone in on Wade Davis or at the very least Greg Holland.

I'd also love Tony Watson.

elentar
Aug 26, 2002

Congratulations! Your bonsai is dead!

Grimey Drawer

I dusted off the player-name thing to see what my created player should be called and I think now I have to retire it forever

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Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice even year you have there, it would be a shame if some bullshit were to happen to it.

elentar posted:

I dusted off the player-name thing to see what my created player should be called and I think now I have to retire it forever



Gret Free? That's my favorite The Vrines song

Blind Pineapple
Oct 27, 2010


bewbies posted:

Offseason doldrums? NFL unwatchable? Hockey and soccer not good enough for you? I'm going to run a goon be-a-player in Out-of-the-Park 18 for anyone interested. Once I get the final kinks out of the setup worked out I'll post a signup thread, hopefully later this week. So, if you're interested start thinking about what kind of fake baseball player YOU want to be!

I wouldn't play, but I really hope someone is a fat man slap hitter with a ridiculously high batting average and the speed of 2017 Brian McCann.

Kirios
Jan 25, 2010

All rise for the AL

M. V. P.


It sounds like Yu Darvish was tipping his pitches and that's why the Astros lit him up the way they did in G3/G7.

http://www.businessinsider.com/yu-d...es-loss-2017-11

Looks pretty convincing that he was and I'm sure the Astros (Probably Beltran since the players were so keen on calling him the reason they won) picked up on that.

Kirios fucked around with this message at Nov 3, 2017 around 06:53

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

I'm very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words...but there's no better word than stupid.



Lipstick Apathy

Kirios posted:

It sounds like Yu Darvish was tipping his pitches and that's why the Astros lit him up the way they did in G3/G7.

http://www.businessinsider.com/yu-d...es-loss-2017-11

Looks pretty convincing that he was and I'm sure the Astros (Probably Beltran since the players were so keen on calling him the reason they won) picked up on that.

I actually caught this interview live and yeah it sounded incredibly damning. When you know ~40% of his pitches that's a huge advantage.

GobiasIndustries fucked around with this message at Nov 3, 2017 around 07:11

Johnny Bravo
Jan 19, 2011


He's tipped them before. Bregman stealing third is a pretty good clue that he was, looking back on it.

GobiasIndustries
Dec 14, 2007

I'm very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words...but there's no better word than stupid.



Lipstick Apathy

I've only gotten back into baseball fandom in the past couple years so listening to that was a very moment for me

Comptroll The Forums
Apr 25, 2007

DON'T HURT MY FEE FEES!

Darvish was an Astros sleeper agent activated by Yuli Gurriel.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Bo?


Fun Shoe

Base Ball goons: signup thread for OOTP be a player:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3839473

Come watch your highly touted prospect succumb to concussions!

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

Coming in the club with that fresh shit on with something crazy on my arm


the popes toes posted:

From the what the hell department

LaRussa is a Red Sock

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/11/02...cial-assistant/

Can someone remind me why La russa is an rear end in a top hat and I should hate him? I feel like it's more than just attending a Glenn Beck rally way back when.

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Onward to pie!


CubsWoo posted:

MLBTR has their top 50 FA list out with guesses on teams and contract lengths. Go there for the full writeup but here's what they have so far. Contract predictions are in years/millions of dollars. A lot of them will be very wrong!

(Note: Shohei Otani is listed after the top 50 as a special case due to the posting rules and limitations on signing Otani.)

1-10

Yu Darvish - Cubs, 6/160
J.D. Martinez - Red Sox, 6/150
Eric Hosmer - Royals, 6/132
Jake Arrieta - Brewers, 4/100
Masahiro Tanaka - Phillies, 5/100
Mike Moustakas - Braves, 5/85
Lorenzo Cain - Giants, 4/70
Wade Davis - Astros, 4/60
Lance Lynn - Rangers, 4/56
Greg Holland - Cardinals, 4/50

The idea of Davis to the Astros has me moist

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

You're tense, I'm calm. You apply excessive force, I
*snap*
OHHHH HECKUMS


bewbies posted:

Base Ball goons: signup thread for OOTP be a player:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3839473

Come watch your highly touted prospect succumb to concussions!

I have added this and the offseason schedule to the Oh Pee

Pancakes
May 21, 2001

I'm glad that this is an environment where you feel free to fail.



Salvor_Hardin posted:

Can someone remind me why La russa is an rear end in a top hat and I should hate him? I feel like it's more than just attending a Glenn Beck rally way back when.

Drunk driver, unnecessary bullpen overmanagement, history of being Fun Police. On the other hand, does a lot of animal rescue work and was generally a pretty good manager (though winning games when you have Albert Pujols, Scott Rolen, Jim Edmonds and Yadier Molina may be starting on third and crediting yourself with a triple).

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Onward to pie!


Also Carpenter and Wainwright

Poque
Sep 11, 2003



retaliatory beanballs

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Onward to pie!


Apparently Charlie Morton is the first pitcher to ever win two games sevens in a single postseason

Paging Yeah Tuba Mike to the thread

https://twitter.com/BHuston_STATS/s...081034264940544

Intruder fucked around with this message at Nov 3, 2017 around 15:23

Tom Gorman
Apr 30, 2004

Out here, everything hurts

LaRussa also single handedly drove Ozzie loving Smith of all people away from the organization for almost 2 decades. They still hate each other.

Ozzie is back and coaching in spring training now though I believe.

Sab0921
Aug 2, 2004

Rolex wearin', stylin', profilin', limousine riding, jet flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin' n' dealin' son of a gun!

In the least surprising news of all time, the Astros are going to pick up the options for Jose Altuve and Marwin Gonzalez.

Altuve's 2018 option is $6 million

Marwin's is $5.125 million.

I really hope the Astros tear up that drat contract for Altuve and sign him up to a long term deal this offseason that pays him what he is worth (the answer is infinity dollars).

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair


Baseball posters on Twitter who have outspoken opinions on player quality yet also call stats like WAR "made up equations" are making me irrationally mad today.

I fear I have become Extremely Online.

Thom P. Tiers
May 29, 2008


CubsWoo posted:


1-10

Yu Darvish - Cubs, 6/160
J.D. Martinez - Red Sox, 6/150
Eric Hosmer - Royals, 6/132
Jake Arrieta - Brewers, 4/100
Masahiro Tanaka - Phillies, 5/100
Mike Moustakas - Braves, 5/85
Lorenzo Cain - Giants, 4/70
Wade Davis - Astros, 4/60
Lance Lynn - Rangers, 4/56
Greg Holland - Cardinals, 4/50



Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

The new coffee delivery sensation that's sweeping the nation!



Kirios posted:

It sounds like Yu Darvish was tipping his pitches and that's why the Astros lit him up the way they did in G3/G7.

http://www.businessinsider.com/yu-d...es-loss-2017-11

Looks pretty convincing that he was and I'm sure the Astros (Probably Beltran since the players were so keen on calling him the reason they won) picked up on that.

This is probably the best thing that could have come out for Darvish. Not that he was going to lose that much contract value because of two games, but now he's got a fairly convincing excuse for those terrible performances and it's something that can be easily fixed.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

bewbies posted:

Base Ball goons: signup thread for OOTP be a player:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3839473

Come watch your highly touted prospect succumb to concussions!

I love stuff like this cause sometimes you'll see a pitcher use this against the hitter. They'll pretend to really dig into the glove making it look like they are trying to get a curveball grip and then throw you a fastball.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003



So you lose game 7 on pitch tipping and you lose game 5 on 3rd base coach signals. How many people are getting fired?

Der Meister
May 12, 2001



Sydin posted:

This is probably the best thing that could have come out for Darvish. Not that he was going to lose that much contract value because of two games, but now he's got a fairly convincing excuse for those terrible performances and it's something that can be easily fixed.

Iím just glad the analytical superstars in the dodgers org couldnít quite figure out what was going on during the actual series

cis autodrag
Jan 6, 2012

that's just applause from ghosts




Gary’s Answer

I kind of figured he was fatigued from a long season and tipping pitches. It's gotta be hard to maintain that ultra consistent arm slot 180 games into the season.

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Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair


cis autodrag posted:

I kind of figured he was fatigued from a long season and tipping pitches. It's gotta be hard to maintain that ultra consistent arm slot 180 games into the season.

His arm slot wasn't the tip off, though.

Darvish also hung a shitload of pitches though, so I have a hard time blaming it just on noticing the grip.

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