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There is just something special about what star wars does to people, jfc
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Zeris posted:There is just something special about what star wars does to people, jfc 
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Dec 17, 2017 07:56
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Leia getting blasted into space then flying was done really poorly. I'm not against her being able to do that, but the special effects of that scene look like a b tier 1950s sci fi film.
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Dec 17, 2017 08:00
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Zeris posted:There is just something special about what star wars does to people, jfc Yep. It’s incredible how invested into ~18 hours of film some people are. Just appreciate it as a dumb space magic western and you won’t be disappointed.
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Dec 17, 2017 08:11
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:Leia etc. etc. Yeah nobody is required to like anything, also I strongly agree that the leia space flying was stupid, not gonna firebomb hollywood if they don't do thing i love/hate in the next one though? One thing the new trilogy has been missing is a person with a lightsaber sending blaster shots back at stormtroopers/droids/rebels, so hopefully there's some kind of actual ground battle that Rey will participate in.
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Dec 17, 2017 08:34
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I love the abusive relationship between Hux and Ren.
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Dec 17, 2017 14:04
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Zeris posted:Yeah nobody is required to like anything, also I strongly agree that the leia space flying was stupid, not gonna firebomb hollywood if they don't do thing i love/hate in the next one though? My problem with the Leia thing is more fundamental. Leia's continued role in the film was inconsequential to the overall plot line. This wouldn't have been a problem if they'd taken the one chance they had to write her out, right at the beginning. This would have also opened up all sorts of other complexities for Kylo Ren, since he opted not to pull the trigger. Instead, parts of the rest of the movie involved them awkwardly shoehorning a replacement actress into place.
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Dec 17, 2017 14:30
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Zeroisanumber posted:
Luke better be chilling as a force ghost in the next film. Also, I was (mildly) disappointed that R2 and 3P0 got like 30 seconds of screentime total, and were basically just background props instead of characters.
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Dec 17, 2017 15:10
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Overall was disappointed i went to the theaters. Good rainy day couch flick though. Battles were awsome.
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Dec 17, 2017 17:53
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my problems with the movie The whole point of an adventure movie/novel/story is that there is some goal, some task that the adventurers must accomplish. Defeat smaug, destroy the death stars, there is some sense of purpose. This movie didn't really have that. The only thing they really did was.. not get massively owned? The ultimate task of the story is to escape the first order who are able to track them through light speed. They are out of fuel, barely staying out of range of hostile cannons, but ultimately unable to escape by jumping to light speed. Despite this, there is no real sense of urgency. We watch as three of the four ships get blown up one by one as they run out of fuel, but there is no ssense of frantic evacuations as they try to get supplies and people onto the main ship. They establish no emotional tether between the viewer and the other ships. The other ships feel about as relevant as red shirts in star wars. The entire time this is going on, you have two sets of characters of on side quests. Finn and Rose leave to seek out a master hacker to help them break into the new order and turn off their tracker. Instead they find a dude who flips sides seemingly unprompted and with no foreshadowing. Benicio's character just seems incredibly underutilized. He says a few things, gets them past a few doors, then turns on them. This entire sidequest does nothing to advance the plot and in all honesty I can't even remember how they escape because I don't care. THen you have Rey and Luke. Keep in mind episode 7 ends with this epic feeling where Rey meets Luke, hands him the light saber, and then the movie ends. You're left looking forward to the next movie where the master helps the apprentice become badass. Instead Luke just refuses to help. The entire cliff hangar from The Force Awakens feels entirely wasted. Its like your parents are dropping hints you're getting a new xbox for christmas and then you open in and its brothers old gameboy. I actually like the direction they're taking the jedi and how they address their problems, I just don't like how they accomplished that. That's my problems with the storyline. Other flaws are the whole Leia flying thing. I'm not really against her being able to fly, but the scene is just straight up bad. Her flying had all the animation of a child waving a superman toy through the air as superman remains completely stuff the entire time. Second, a lot of scenes with Rose are bad. The scene where she finds Finn boarding an escape pod comes across as a psycho ex girlfriend. One second she is going full blown fangirl at an anime con, the next she is tazing him and dragging him away. Also purely personal preference but the casino didn't really work for me. That being said, the movie did have things I liked. the battles as always are amazing, although this was true for even the prequals. Poe comes to learn the hard way what pyrrhic victory. the whole light speed suicide run was amazing. Rey, Ren killing the evil space wizard was cool.
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Dec 17, 2017 22:22
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:my problems with the movie This is a good post with good points. Benicio del Toro's character was completely underutilized. He's clearly supposed to be as crucial to the plot as, say, Lando, but instead he just disappears after two scenes on the ship and I'm pretty sure they won't be bringing him back for the third one even though he clearly has potential to be a very interesting character. If the whole point of the 40 minute long side quest was as a vehicle to introduce his character, they basically wasted everyone's time.
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Dec 17, 2017 23:00
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That was loving cool and I had a smile on my face the entire time. I assume that the next one is going to have to be set like 10-15 years later in order to allow Leia to die from natural causes and also to raise and train the next generation of the Resistance. Also, regarding Luke saying that Kylo took six of his students- were those supposed to be them in Snoke’s throne room? Or were those just the equivalent of the Emperor’s Royal Guard? I also wish there had been more Chewbacca. You can never have too much Chewbacca. Although for me, the biggest mystery will always be how someone recovered Luke’s blue lightsaber from the depths of Cloud City.
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Dec 17, 2017 23:18
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdm8rpv045U
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Dec 18, 2017 01:11
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psydude posted:This is a good post with good points. I expect he'll be back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5sCLZjoLg
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Dec 18, 2017 01:18
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The only thing that really bothers my turbonerd brain is the arcing turbolaser bolts. I mean, I get they're trying to visually convey they're shooting at long range, but c'mon, son.
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Dec 18, 2017 01:33
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Ugh, I forgot about that, but yeah it bugged the hell out of me every time.
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Dec 18, 2017 01:33
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I didn't even notice that
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Dec 18, 2017 01:39
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They were using gravity bombs in space.
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Dec 18, 2017 01:46
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Flikken posted:They were using gravity bombs in space. Oh, that's easy to rationalize: They're pushed out of the bay by some kind of rail system and drift down like bombs! (I know that's not what was being represented)
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Dec 18, 2017 03:02
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Re: Benicio’s character. I really thought we were going to see Lando as that character the way that he was described by the Cantina owner from TFA . Wasted opportunity IMO.
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Dec 18, 2017 04:27
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More thoughts later but was able to see the Star Wars with reserved seats at a reasonable price for opening weekend without being spoiled by the loving internet!!!
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Dec 18, 2017 04:36
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Lotta things I wanna talk about anyone down with making a spoiler thread? It’s definitely more Disney-esque. As someone else mentioned it’s just way too campy. TFA had a nice balance but this one was definitely next level with that. Far better than TFA though. Like the whole theme of the movie starts with very serious matters and then immediately into a funny non-serious undertone with the radio chatting with Poe at the start and the Luke throwing the saber love that the sword fights are slower like they’re swinging something and more realistic; not crazy ninja poo poo from episode 1-3 It’s Star Wars and the whole deal with the force/dark side is finding balance and flip flopping but that’s literally all the movie is. That aspect wasn’t even enjoyable because it wasn’t a surprise, you were just waiting for the next unsurprising turn I’m not talking solely about any character going good-bad, just the movie in general Enjoyable, wonky-ish story (for Star Wars)?will watch again, good action, far better than TFA, R1 still reigns supreme Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Dec 18, 2017 |
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Dec 18, 2017 04:42
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Handsome Ralph posted:If this thread/forum didn't exist, I'd go to reddit to discuss this movie before I went into CineD and subjected myself to that garbage.
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Dec 18, 2017 04:42
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:Leia getting blasted into space then flying was done really poorly. I'm not against her being able to do that, but the special effects of that scene look like a b tier 1950s sci fi film. Yeah I hear ya. I know inthe non-canon expanded universe her force powers surface and she becomes a Jedi? Kinda lame they didn’t even explain wtf
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Dec 18, 2017 04:44
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I'm very happy they turned Star Wars into "The A-Team, A Space Opera". E: And the whole cruiser incident via decapitation by way of lightspeed was extremely my poo poo. SquirrelyPSU fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Dec 18, 2017 |
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Dec 18, 2017 04:52
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A number of things really spoilt this for me, it was an OK film but a poor Star Wars film; The fact that Kylo went from being Luke's apprentice to Ultimate Bad rear end with no inbetween. No slaughter of Tuscan raiders, no splat the Younglings, just BAM EVIL. The whole Casino quest line, no need for it and an utter waste of del Toro. Chewie suddenly becoming an ace pilot. Like I want as much Chewie as possible but when did he learn to fly like Han? The fact that the entire Rebel loving high command could be taken out with one window being blown out, and the fact that it was "Oh Admiral Ackbar just died, thoughts and prayers. What's for lunch?" I AM ALL POWERFUL SUPREME LEADER SNOKE!!! Bzzzt. Nope. The loving guards put up more of a fight. Elite Captain of the most vicious troops in the galaxy versus failed toiler cleaner in a hand to hand brawl to the death. Place your bets.
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Dec 18, 2017 05:10
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SquirrelyPSU posted:I'm very happy they turned Star Wars into "The A-Team, A Space Opera". lol how come that wasn’t an option earlier though? I didn’t get that. I get it’s Star Wars—I mean it was futile for her anyway why wasn’t it the first thought..? Maybe I missed something. And how many loving [spoiler]transport shipsdid they have. Jesus it was like the fast and the furious and shifting, it kept going back and forth and was still happening
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Dec 18, 2017 05:24
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It seems like some of you think these movies come IMMEDIATELY following RotJ. Like...it's been literally decades. Tech changes, people learn how to do things. It would be completely loving bizarre if Leia didn't bother learning some Force poo poo.
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Dec 18, 2017 06:01
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Burt posted:Chewie suddenly becoming an ace pilot. Like I want as much Chewie as possible but when did he learn to fly like Han? I'd think that 40+ years of cockpit time with Han would be enough to make anybody shithot with the Falcon
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Dec 18, 2017 06:08
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Burt posted:A number of things really spoilt this for me, it was an OK film but a poor Star Wars film; Kylo was being hosed with by Snoke from the get-go though, and waking up with your loving uncle and legendary Jedi master standing over you with a fired-up lightsaber probably didn't help much. I get the point they were trying to go for with the whole casino sidequest poo poo vis a vis showing how the Rebellion is supposed to work and the ideals it's supposed to aspire to, helping out the little downtrodden guys, etc. Handled like boring filler poo poo episodes like you're waiting 6 episodes for Goku to shove his arm elbow-deep up Freiza's rear end. Chewie hung out with Han for how long? Dude's probably gotta pick up a bunch of poo poo just by being there, plus I don't doubt that Han would've taught his OG partner in crime everything he knew. Yeah the whole High Command being decapitated was mind-blowingly retarded. Only thing that really bugged me wasn't necessarily that Snoke went out like a bitch, but we had all this poo poo being dangled in front of us from TFA about this mysterious badass ultimate Sith Lord who turns out to be some dude in a gold bathrobe who gets ganked with zero explanation of who/what/where/etc. Phasma probably would've slapped Finn's poo poo, but there's the whole surprise lift BOOP poo poo that at least kinda hand-waves it a little.
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Dec 18, 2017 06:09
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Burt posted:The whole Casino quest line, no need for it and an utter waste of del Toro. lol did they really have to go for the one percenters being.....one percenters and the Starship Troopers perpetual war machine drives an economy or wealthy elite endless war blah blah oh but the rebels bought that arms too!!!
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Dec 18, 2017 06:18
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Yeah the light speed ram was cool as gently caress, but why isn't a light drive strapped to a missile if they're unstoppable?
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Dec 18, 2017 07:07
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Godholio posted:It seems like some of you think these movies come IMMEDIATELY following RotJ. Like...it's been literally decades. Tech changes, people learn how to do things. It would be completely loving bizarre if Leia didn't bother learning some Force poo poo. again Leia being force sensitive is dope. The actual flying part just was done poorly. She was inanimate. If you were to remove the background you would have no way to tell she was flying.
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Dec 18, 2017 07:19
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Oh yeah, the CG was not very good on that. Edit: I also agree with what was posted above about that being the perfect opportunity for the character to die and have it cause ripples in the plot. It wouldn't have changed much...she wasn't really important after that scene anyway. We'd have missed her conversation with Luke but really, they could've just blue-glowed her and changed the scenery to make it fit elsewhere.
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Dec 18, 2017 07:21
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And another thing!! How does Rey suddenly become all powerful with the force, with zero training? The rocks being moved from the cave would have made Yoda break out into a sweat! She's bitching about how it's almost uncontrollable to Luke then she's moving more earth than a Cat dozer like it's no big thing! The battering ram cannon. Really? REALLY???? You can cross space at faster than light speed but to open a door you have to drag a big arsed gun across the ground? Why the gently caress not place it where it needs to go or I don't know shoot the door from orbit maybe?
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Dec 18, 2017 12:52
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they should get hillary clinton to play Leia in the next movie
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Dec 18, 2017 15:19
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This op-ed does a great job of summing up why this movie is bad. Warning: it does have spoilers. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.841aa1ae4b13
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Dec 18, 2017 17:16
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Burt posted:A number of things really spoilt this for me, it was an OK film but a poor Star Wars film; If that's your take on Kylo, then I want to know what the hell movies you've been watching. Throwing temper tantrums is not something an ultimate bad rear end does.
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Dec 18, 2017 19:18
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Saw it last night, wasn't sure if I liked it or not at the end. Pretty much everything everyone's said here about it rings true for me. I guess it's an okay movie but has too much of that prequel feel (flip flopping between bitter emotional angst and ha ha funny moment look at the funny thing) in it to be a decent Star Wars film. I love Mark Hamill and his acting is consistently good but god they gave him some utter tripe to work with at points. At least it's doing well enough critically and commercially for Disney to fund more of those side stories. Another Rogue One would be great.
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McNally posted:If that's your take on Kylo, then I want to know what the hell movies you've been watching. Throwing temper tantrums is not something an ultimate bad rear end does. yeah and that's why his character is one of the few redeeming things of this whole thing. He's a gigantic manbaby that cosplays Vader. I mean, it's pretty transparent about that honestly my biggest issue with the movie was: how many god drat transport ships did they have going to that planet
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